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#1161 Kazyumi

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 09:29 PM

Talking bout religion.
Did you see this guy?
http://nl.youtube.co...h?v=nI5WoXpmPiM
Pat Condell.
Has a lot of great speeches about all sorts of religions.
http://nl.youtube.co...user=patcondell
In my opinion he's bloody marvellous, and above all, very articulate and polite.

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Posted 05 November 2007 - 11:29 PM

yay for british accents! :xcahik_:
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Posted 05 November 2007 - 11:46 PM

Are you even reading what I post? There are a group of athiests who have an agenda to accomplish some things.

OPEN your eyes my friend.

I have them open. And I have no doubt you are right. Neither have I any doubt there are a group of <Name An Organised Group> who have an agenda to accomplish some things. Does that surprise you?

When it comes to influencing the government, there are quite a few possible approaches.
Some try to influence dicisions by force, terrorism, some from positions of authority, given by voters, or awarded after completing a study. Again others have the ability to influence decisions by knowledge and skill, some by being organised and having financial resources. Yet again others have support from the community to use as leverage. Publicity can work miracles too, or knowning exactly what to say at which time, at which location and to who to say it. And there is the informal route. Lobbying, through relations and networks still counts as one of the most influential methods in governmental decisionmaking.
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Politics, public or within an organisation, is a jungle, and everyone who wants something done takes part in it, one way or the other. The good news is that because they're all actively trying to influence decisions, a lot is prevented by opposing groups, or just by other groups who aren't interested in what the others want, but are after the same resources. For significant decisions, it usually takes more than one of the above approaches to have a major influence on the decision.
Unless a really powerful actor is working on it, this means that most decisions are supported by more than a bunch of radicalists.

And I think the average Christian, Jew, Muslim or Atheist just have the same, or at least similar, goals in life. We may have different customs, pray to different entities, or not pray at all, but ultimately we just all want to live a good life. Don't you agree?

@Kazyumi:
Only watched the first one. It's quite a speech, and I almost completely agree with him. I too think those parts of the Sharia law are quite unjust and horrible. (From what I recall the greater part of Sharia Law actually isn't horrible, just different) One thing I disagree with is that after 50 years, the French will no longer be in France, but in the next Pakistan.
For starters I have my doubts about being able to accurately predict the composition of a population after a period of 50 years. But let's just say he's right about that, and more than 50% of the population are indeed Muslim.
From my experience, those Muslims who leave their country to move to the Netherlands aren't exactly the ones who love the Sharia law. Combine that with the already present complex and bureaucratic system, it is unlikely the Netherlands, or France, will employ especially these parts of Sharia Law after just 50 years.

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 03:35 AM

Talking bout religion.
Did you see this guy?
http://nl.youtube.co...h?v=nI5WoXpmPiM
Pat Condell.
Has a lot of great speeches about all sorts of religions.
http://nl.youtube.co...user=patcondell
In my opinion he's bloody marvellous, and above all, very articulate and polite.

That guy took the words right out of mouth, but than again you have to hear this guy to get both sides of the story. This muslim is just genius.
http://nl.youtube.co...h?v=VqmMdPKw378

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 06:11 PM

Talking bout religion.
Did you see this guy?
http://nl.youtube.co...h?v=nI5WoXpmPiM
Pat Condell.
Has a lot of great speeches about all sorts of religions.
http://nl.youtube.co...user=patcondell
In my opinion he's bloody marvellous, and above all, very articulate and polite.

That guy took the words right out of mouth, but than again you have to hear this guy to get both sides of the story. This muslim is just genius.
http://nl.youtube.co...h?v=VqmMdPKw378

Damn straight.
He's very intelligent.
And fast. :xcahik_:

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 07:12 PM

i generally try to use islamist for the nutty ones.
what that guy says is all too true. people get ratings on it, so they don't really care if it affects people in a bad way.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 02:57 PM

I must say that this man is my new hero. Sorry, Spence, this was not your lifetime.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 06:50 PM

Yay for women rights

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 07:39 PM

After seeing that video, I'm disgusted by how the women are treated :) .

It makes me want to go over there and kill those bastards for being so cruel :p .
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Posted 08 December 2007 - 10:48 PM

Join the club...

Infuriates someone like me with a very female-oriented religion to the extent of insanity.

But hey we don't beat men do we? We treat them equally...

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 02:02 AM

This is something I've been trying to highlight for over a year and was accused of being racist and bigoted. I believe this is one of the most heinous crimes in current modern history. Peoples pets are treated much better in the western world than most women in these extremists households.

Societies around the world that are light years ahead of these barbarians socially need to find no other reason to fix this than freeing people.

The irony of chance that a good portion of the worlds oil lies in nations who have the worst human rights records in existance.
http://www.warriorsf...-oil-anwar.html

Now the answer already lies there for the taking, yet crazy far left wing loonies won't even read such an article displaying the facts of breaking foriegn oil dependence. So image the irony of the "enlightened" like me who find the people who keep us from drilling Anwar actually are greatly contributing to the cause of human rights abuses by making us deal with oil producing nations with a mindset of dependence instead of independence.

Now people go think about that for awhile...

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 03:42 AM

I say the Governments should actually do something about these terrible things instead of sitting on there asses and either ignoring it or bitching about, but not really doing anything.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 04:13 AM

Though it might seem common sense, be careful, many bleeding heart liberals might think you're trying to "liberate" people. And we all know what happens when you try to do that.

1) Forcing democracy down peoples throats
2) Let them do whatever they want it's thier nation, (except save Darfur?!)
3) Save the trees, don't drill for oil that might break our total dependence on human rights abusers.
4) You're a war monger and a racist.
5) The US is an empire builder
6) It's all George Bushes fault and now yours
7) Won't accept persecution of gays in our society but quietly accepts it in "those places"
8) Is against the death penalty yet says little about Iran and Saudia Arabia love of the death sentence
9) They, for some reason, simply refuse to address the real hate machine (Muslim extremists)
10) If you try to talk about it, they scream louder than you. Because whoever SCREAMS loudest wins in a looney far left persons mind.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 04:33 AM

Though it might seem common sense, be careful, many bleeding heart liberals might think you're trying to "liberate" people. And we all know what happens when you try to do that.

1) Forcing democracy down peoples throats
2) Let them do whatever they want it's thier nation, (except save Darfur?!)
3) Save the trees, don't drill for oil that might break our total dependence on human rights abusers.
4) You're a war monger and a racist.
5) The US is an empire builder
6) It's all George Bushes fault and now yours
7) Won't accept persecution of gays in our society but quietly accepts it in "those places"
8) Is against the death penalty yet says little about Iran and Saudia Arabia love of the death sentence
9) They, for some reason, simply refuse to address the real hate machine (Muslim extremists)
10) If you try to talk about it, they scream louder than you. Because whoever SCREAMS loudest wins in a looney far left persons mind.

Yeah, now that I think about it, your right.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:07 AM

But George Bush is part of the problem because he attacked Saddam but allied with the Saudis; hes a fucking hypocrite and obviously has ulterior motives due to that.

Otherwise, though, I mostly agree with you.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 10:57 PM

Though it might seem common sense, be careful, many bleeding heart liberals might think you're trying to "liberate" people. And we all know what happens when you try to do that.

1) Forcing democracy down peoples throats
2) Let them do whatever they want it's thier nation, (except save Darfur?!)
3) Save the trees, don't drill for oil that might break our total dependence on human rights abusers.
4) You're a war monger and a racist.
5) The US is an empire builder
6) It's all George Bushes fault and now yours
7) Won't accept persecution of gays in our society but quietly accepts it in "those places"
8) Is against the death penalty yet says little about Iran and Saudia Arabia love of the death sentence
9) They, for some reason, simply refuse to address the real hate machine (Muslim extremists)
10) If you try to talk about it, they scream louder than you. Because whoever SCREAMS loudest wins in a looney far left persons mind.

Nice to see that hate speech is back in full form...

I might as well fight it piece-wise. First I'm taking issue with the term liberal. Ever since the days of... well... shortly after Watergate, the term "liberal" has been used by the foolish and the propagandists to spread this unbelievable religion of hate against what is portrayed as some evil conspiracy to build a massive government and bring back the Soviet Union. They tout this conservative and liberal dichotomy, holding up the two party - one state system and some distorted view of history; where conservatism has existed since the Roman Empire, and is responsible for the New Deal, the successes of Reconstruction, the fall of the Soviet Union, and the wonderful working conditions you enjoy today. None of these are true; in fact, conservatism is a relatively new thing, and its major accomplishments tend to be little more than quashing workers rights, and alternating between starting wars all over the world and an isolationist foreign policy which allows wars to be started all over the world. Do not ascribe to the dichotomy easily, else you'll find yourself... well... in the most extreme cases, invading Poland, but recently they've settled for countries in the Middle East.

1. When "bringing democracy" involves the largest military intervention yet during this century, total destruction of infrastructure, the deaths of untold hundreds of thousands, a vast criminal conspiracy to illegally profit through the use of satellite companies (Such as Blackwater USA, which not only murdered people and smuggled guns into the country to sell to insurgents to kill American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians, but also has significant ties to the Bush Administration and, apparently, the administration's full support, given the recent dismissal of charges...), and the formation of a puppet state which can only continue to exist with the deaths of soldiers who shouldn't have been there in the first place; yeah, it's shoving it down someone's throat. Actually, I take that back, it's like dangling democracy in front of someone, and then shooting them in the face. Ah wait, we have companies to do that!
Still believe the Iraq War was the right thing to do, then?

2. Bit difficult to counter this one except to say that hypocrisy is the nature of politics. Can't exactly say that the Republicans haven't done the same thing. The difference is that when a leftist government is in power in almost any country, they're more disposed towards waiting for popular and international support; thus representing the majority view of the people, not the majority view of the shareholders. The difference is who is represented; the elite top 10%, or the masses and friendly governments and peoples across the world. It's not that I disagree with humanitarian intervention, but it needs to be done carefully, and it's irresponsible to tout an entire group of people as being against any sort of action when the other side, if there is an opposite side, hasn't done anything either! Oh, except pander to those countries in the first place.

3. Would you rather buy our oil independence for a few days, or kill a valuable ecosystem which contributes to biological diversity? As a biologist, I find this apparent lack of care for natural environments appalling.

4. When two wars are started, another is being built up to, and they're all in one general geographic area with one general group of people being the targets; yes, you're a warmonger and a racist. Additionally, the racist part can function completely independently of the warmonger part; Homeland Security recently awarded a Halloween costume prize to an undersecretary who dressed up as a black prisoner, complete with a striped uniform and dreadlocks. Hurricane Katrina was... well... a racist fumble from the start, and just demonstrates the value of human life according to this administration. It's not like the results of it were surprising; they were just ignored because only a certain ethnic group were left in the city.

5. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve exists for one reason, and for one reason only. It is a reserve of just enough petrochemicals to invade an oil-rich country, hold its land, and begin the process of sending that oil to the United States. It doesn't exist so the American military will not be handicapped, it exists so the American military can bail itself and the American economy out of hot water in the event of another oil embargo. It's a very simple, very practical concept; in fact, I just read a paper on it recently.
If we were to break our dependence on foreign oil, or perhaps just keep another embargo from ever happening again, there would be no better way than to install puppet nations in a volatile region. They don't all need to be oil-rich; in fact, the fewer, the better. The oil-rich countries, under near direct administration from a higher authority (The puppet-master) could be defended through the use of the other puppet nations in some sort of coalition of Arab states. In other words, destroy a country and its government, put one favourable to your agenda in there, and it's guaranteed that for at least a little while, they won't embargo you. Surround them with a bunch of puppet states obtained in the same manner, and chances are, the governments will sustain themselves and, owing to pressure from the controlling authority, support each other.
How is that not empire building, and how is that not what's going on in the Middle East right now?

6. Let's do a simple breakdown.
I. The Bush administration drops the ball on 9/11; one way or another, they fucked up, it wasn't prevented, and it happened.
II. The Bush administration, without tremendously overwhelming evidence, begins bombing Afghanistan, claiming it is the main bastion of al Qaeda's operations (Which is is, along with Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia...)
III. The Bush administration begins drawing lines between Afghanistan and Iraq. Claims Iraqi officials met with al Qaeda operatives (They didn't), that Iraq had a functional nuclear program (They didn't), stocks of chemical and biological agents (They didn't have anything more than a few rusted out chemical shells, but then again, so do most countries. In fact, I could probably make them in ten minutes in the lab...), and that they were planning either another 9/11 or an attack against the United States (They weren't).
IV. In violation of the general international sentiment, the Bush administration takes the United States on a personal crusade (You can look it up, but Bush, back in 2002, said about Saddam Hussein: "We're going to fucking take him out") to "liberate Iraq" and bring "freedom to the Iraqis." Military disaster ensues.
V. Four years, a few trillion dollars, and perhaps a million lives later, the result is a government that cannot stand on its own two feet and doesn't want to try, and the greatest hit for United States international prowess since we rolled over on Versailles (I'd consider it worse; we practically destroyed the United Nations and violated the Kellogg-Briand Pact).

See, so the war in Iraq IS the fault of the Bush administration! What else could it be, honestly?

7. Being part of the group most commonly discriminated against in #7, I naturally despise persecution anywhere, but the solution to this is not to invade other countries. The solution to this is not to hold up the "hypocrisy of the left" while simultaneously pandering to religious fanatics and leading the crusade against equal rights. The solution to this is not to say it's worse in other countries, and go back to the status quo. The right in the United States has come down unequivocally on the side of persecution, hatred, and homophobia. The purpose of a government is to effect change for its own citizens, not to change the world. Governments have a mandate only to bring positive change to their own country, and part of that is bringing legislation into effect which would curtail discrimination due to sexual orientation. A focus on domestic issues doesn't mean tacit approval of persecution elsewhere. In fact, not only is this statement tacit approval of homophobia (Which is extremely personally offencive, mind you), but a condemnation of any attempts to end persecution domestically. Compassionate indeed.

8. Again, governments have a mandate only to better things domestically. Also, the right, which notoriously loves killing people, is completely absent in saying anything either. Pot calling the kettle black...

As far as the general idea of capital punishment? It doesn't work. Norway has a system where the maximum punishment is 21 years in prison with full integration into society (For murder), and the lowest murder rate on the planet (They've also got free health care, and free education, and are ranked as #1 on the planet for human development). Also, the idea of essentially sanctioning the murder of someone is a bit dodgy, and rather disgusting to me. The United States was the only democracy to still execute people under the age of 18 until a recent court decision, and is one of the only democracies left in the world that executes people. Certainly, there are some things that still need to be worked on at home first, before we invade Saudi Arabia, as some people seem to really, really advocate?

9. Oh paranoia. I love paranoia.

10. Hate speech again. I love the stereotyping, and really the blatant crap...
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Posted 13 December 2007 - 05:50 PM

Though it might seem common sense, be careful, many bleeding heart liberals might think you're trying to "liberate" people. And we all know what happens when you try to do that.

1) Forcing democracy down peoples throats
2) Let them do whatever they want it's thier nation, (except save Darfur?!)
3) Save the trees, don't drill for oil that might break our total dependence on human rights abusers.
4) You're a war monger and a racist.
5) The US is an empire builder
6) It's all George Bushes fault and now yours
7) Won't accept persecution of gays in our society but quietly accepts it in "those places"
8) Is against the death penalty yet says little about Iran and Saudia Arabia love of the death sentence
9) They, for some reason, simply refuse to address the real hate machine (Muslim extremists)
10) If you try to talk about it, they scream louder than you. Because whoever SCREAMS loudest wins in a looney far left persons mind.

Nice to see that hate speech is back in full form...

I might as well fight it piece-wise. First I'm taking issue with the term liberal. Ever since the days of... well... shortly after Watergate, the term "liberal" has been used by the foolish and the propagandists to spread this unbelievable religion of hate against what is portrayed as some evil conspiracy to build a massive government and bring back the Soviet Union. They tout this conservative and liberal dichotomy, holding up the two party - one state system and some distorted view of history; where conservatism has existed since the Roman Empire, and is responsible for the New Deal, the successes of Reconstruction, the fall of the Soviet Union, and the wonderful working conditions you enjoy today. None of these are true; in fact, conservatism is a relatively new thing, and its major accomplishments tend to be little more than quashing workers rights, and alternating between starting wars all over the world and an isolationist foreign policy which allows wars to be started all over the world. Do not ascribe to the dichotomy easily, else you'll find yourself... well... in the most extreme cases, invading Poland, but recently they've settled for countries in the Middle East.

1. When "bringing democracy" involves the largest military intervention yet during this century, total destruction of infrastructure, the deaths of untold hundreds of thousands, a vast criminal conspiracy to illegally profit through the use of satellite companies (Such as Blackwater USA, which not only murdered people and smuggled guns into the country to sell to insurgents to kill American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians, but also has significant ties to the Bush Administration and, apparently, the administration's full support, given the recent dismissal of charges...), and the formation of a puppet state which can only continue to exist with the deaths of soldiers who shouldn't have been there in the first place; yeah, it's shoving it down someone's throat. Actually, I take that back, it's like dangling democracy in front of someone, and then shooting them in the face. Ah wait, we have companies to do that!
Still believe the Iraq War was the right thing to do, then?

2. Bit difficult to counter this one except to say that hypocrisy is the nature of politics. Can't exactly say that the Republicans haven't done the same thing. The difference is that when a leftist government is in power in almost any country, they're more disposed towards waiting for popular and international support; thus representing the majority view of the people, not the majority view of the shareholders. The difference is who is represented; the elite top 10%, or the masses and friendly governments and peoples across the world. It's not that I disagree with humanitarian intervention, but it needs to be done carefully, and it's irresponsible to tout an entire group of people as being against any sort of action when the other side, if there is an opposite side, hasn't done anything either! Oh, except pander to those countries in the first place.

3. Would you rather buy our oil independence for a few days, or kill a valuable ecosystem which contributes to biological diversity? As a biologist, I find this apparent lack of care for natural environments appalling.

4. When two wars are started, another is being built up to, and they're all in one general geographic area with one general group of people being the targets; yes, you're a warmonger and a racist. Additionally, the racist part can function completely independently of the warmonger part; Homeland Security recently awarded a Halloween costume prize to an undersecretary who dressed up as a black prisoner, complete with a striped uniform and dreadlocks. Hurricane Katrina was... well... a racist fumble from the start, and just demonstrates the value of human life according to this administration. It's not like the results of it were surprising; they were just ignored because only a certain ethnic group were left in the city.

5. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve exists for one reason, and for one reason only. It is a reserve of just enough petrochemicals to invade an oil-rich country, hold its land, and begin the process of sending that oil to the United States. It doesn't exist so the American military will not be handicapped, it exists so the American military can bail itself and the American economy out of hot water in the event of another oil embargo. It's a very simple, very practical concept; in fact, I just read a paper on it recently.
If we were to break our dependence on foreign oil, or perhaps just keep another embargo from ever happening again, there would be no better way than to install puppet nations in a volatile region. They don't all need to be oil-rich; in fact, the fewer, the better. The oil-rich countries, under near direct administration from a higher authority (The puppet-master) could be defended through the use of the other puppet nations in some sort of coalition of Arab states. In other words, destroy a country and its government, put one favourable to your agenda in there, and it's guaranteed that for at least a little while, they won't embargo you. Surround them with a bunch of puppet states obtained in the same manner, and chances are, the governments will sustain themselves and, owing to pressure from the controlling authority, support each other.
How is that not empire building, and how is that not what's going on in the Middle East right now?

6. Let's do a simple breakdown.
I. The Bush administration drops the ball on 9/11; one way or another, they fucked up, it wasn't prevented, and it happened.
II. The Bush administration, without tremendously overwhelming evidence, begins bombing Afghanistan, claiming it is the main bastion of al Qaeda's operations (Which is is, along with Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia...)
III. The Bush administration begins drawing lines between Afghanistan and Iraq. Claims Iraqi officials met with al Qaeda operatives (They didn't), that Iraq had a functional nuclear program (They didn't), stocks of chemical and biological agents (They didn't have anything more than a few rusted out chemical shells, but then again, so do most countries. In fact, I could probably make them in ten minutes in the lab...), and that they were planning either another 9/11 or an attack against the United States (They weren't).
IV. In violation of the general international sentiment, the Bush administration takes the United States on a personal crusade (You can look it up, but Bush, back in 2002, said about Saddam Hussein: "We're going to fucking take him out") to "liberate Iraq" and bring "freedom to the Iraqis." Military disaster ensues.
V. Four years, a few trillion dollars, and perhaps a million lives later, the result is a government that cannot stand on its own two feet and doesn't want to try, and the greatest hit for United States international prowess since we rolled over on Versailles (I'd consider it worse; we practically destroyed the United Nations and violated the Kellogg-Briand Pact).

See, so the war in Iraq IS the fault of the Bush administration! What else could it be, honestly?

7. Being part of the group most commonly discriminated against in #7, I naturally despise persecution anywhere, but the solution to this is not to invade other countries. The solution to this is not to hold up the "hypocrisy of the left" while simultaneously pandering to religious fanatics and leading the crusade against equal rights. The solution to this is not to say it's worse in other countries, and go back to the status quo. The right in the United States has come down unequivocally on the side of persecution, hatred, and homophobia. The purpose of a government is to effect change for its own citizens, not to change the world. Governments have a mandate only to bring positive change to their own country, and part of that is bringing legislation into effect which would curtail discrimination due to sexual orientation. A focus on domestic issues doesn't mean tacit approval of persecution elsewhere. In fact, not only is this statement tacit approval of homophobia (Which is extremely personally offencive, mind you), but a condemnation of any attempts to end persecution domestically. Compassionate indeed.

8. Again, governments have a mandate only to better things domestically. Also, the right, which notoriously loves killing people, is completely absent in saying anything either. Pot calling the kettle black...

As far as the general idea of capital punishment? It doesn't work. Norway has a system where the maximum punishment is 21 years in prison with full integration into society (For murder), and the lowest murder rate on the planet (They've also got free health care, and free education, and are ranked as #1 on the planet for human development). Also, the idea of essentially sanctioning the murder of someone is a bit dodgy, and rather disgusting to me. The United States was the only democracy to still execute people under the age of 18 until a recent court decision, and is one of the only democracies left in the world that executes people. Certainly, there are some things that still need to be worked on at home first, before we invade Saudi Arabia, as some people seem to really, really advocate?

9. Oh paranoia. I love paranoia.

10. Hate speech again. I love the stereotyping, and really the blatant crap...
Yelling starts on both sides. What matters is whoever is correct. In this case, it seems evident.

1) Largest military intervention of this century? It's only 2007, gives the world more time. I'm sure we'll see bigger ones than this.

3)Read the article dude, you didn't even read it. It clearly talks about making sure we don't kill innocent ecosystem when drilling. You didn't even read the article I posted.

4)Not gonna start an arguement regarding the war in iraq, but the war in afghanistan was justified. Even your socialist buddies in Europe are there. Go complain to them.

Homeland Security recently awarded a Halloween costume prize to an undersecretary who dressed up as a black prisoner, complete with a striped uniform and dreadlocks

Was he reprimanded? Yes, Case closed. We reign in our crazies.

Hurricane Katrina was... well... a racist fumble from the start, and just demonstrates the value of human life according to this administration. It's not like the results of it were surprising; they were just ignored because only a certain ethnic group were left in the city.

It's not like a cat 5 storm in the wrong place happens every year. I believe we were caught well off guard. Blaming it on racism is simply stupid. "Oh yes there are alot of black people there, let's just let them die"

That's idiotic, lots of black people in NY and we stepped up and did our best after 9/11. And the US population sent many billions of $ to New Orleans that's its silly. You're so freakin wrong on that one that please don't even reply.

5) I'm glad the gonverment is that wise. Sounds like they know what they're doing. :thumbsupsmiley:

6)

I. The Bush administration drops the ball on 9/11; one way or another, they fucked up, it wasn't prevented, and it happened.

Bush was in office 8 months, blame Clinton if you want to blame someone. And you know why, because he could have nabbed Osamma in 1996. He was offered to the Clinton administration and they refused.

II. The Bush administration, without tremendously overwhelming evidence, begins bombing Afghanistan, claiming it is the main bastion of al Qaeda's operations (Which is is, along with Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia...)


I don't even know what to say, this is the stupidest thing I've ever read. We knew for a fact that Al Queda camps were there, Clinton sent tomahawk missle there remember? :sad:

See, so the war in Iraq IS the fault of the Bush administration! What else could it be, honestly?

Duh, the US invaded Iraq, Bush was President. This doesn't make any sense.

7) and 8) Will have to wait, I'm running out of time here.

9) Read the news dude. 12 UN officials blown up in Algeria along with 62 people either 2 days ago. Who did it? Al Queda. Research the source on your own, no time. Call me paranoid, read the news. It's the same news each day except in a differant country.

#1178 Blodo

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 11:18 PM

1) Largest military intervention of this century? It's only 2007, gives the world more time. I'm sure we'll see bigger ones than this.

Bigger, more bloody, and pushing the US into one corner with Nazi Germany even more.

3) Read the article dude, you didn't even read it. It clearly talks about making sure we don't kill innocent ecosystem when drilling. You didn't even read the article I posted.

Lol. It's impossible to drill without damaging the ecosystem. Show me a biologist who says otherwise.

Homeland Security recently awarded a Halloween costume prize to an undersecretary who dressed up as a black prisoner, complete with a striped uniform and dreadlocks

Was he reprimanded? Yes, Case closed. We reign in our crazies.

It's not like a cat 5 storm in the wrong place happens every year. I believe we were caught well off guard. Blaming it on racism is simply stupid. "Oh yes there are alot of black people there, let's just let them die"

That's idiotic, lots of black people in NY and we stepped up and did our best after 9/11. And the US population sent many billions of $ to New Orleans that's its silly. You're so freakin wrong on that one that please don't even reply.

http://en.wikipedia....an#Demographics
http://en.wikipedia....na#Demographics
Compare.

Also you mean to tell me that sending the National Guard over to guard shops from looting when everyone knew full well that there is no food in the city and nobody is organising anything to deliver it was not racism? All the lower class black people that were not evacuated, were left behind were just trying to survive, and they were threatened with guns by their own troops for trying to survive. There are only two things that that can be: either writing them off as "acceptable casualties" or simply racism. Both of these are equally horrible and both of these should be enough for the government to be held eligible for their lack of action.

5) I'm glad the gonverment is that wise. Sounds like they know what they're doing. :sad:

Hitler was such a smart fellow. He also knew what he was doing, it's such a shame it didn't work out in the end.

6) Bush was in office 8 months, blame Clinton if you want to blame someone. And you know why, because he could have nabbed Osama in 1996. He was offered to the Clinton administration and they refused.

Back in 1996 Osama was still officially a US ally. If history is a bit hazy for you, the Al Queda fights thanks to America with all the funding and support they got back when the Soviet Union had their fair share of problems with them.

Duh, the US invaded Iraq, Bush was President. This doesn't make any sense.

Invaded Iraq for suspisions of Al Queda activity, and no evidence of whatsoever of any sort of weapons of mass destruction. The truth being that Al Queda did not even have camps in Iraqi soil, and the whole point of this war lies moot if it wasn't for the fact that quite coincidentially Iraq lies on a huge reserve of oil. For all we know the whole point of this war was as trivial as to keep prices on a stable level.

It's funny Hostile how you support everything America does. It's like the Germans in the 1930s, they didn't do squat while their country was falling to the pits. Not even a single thought that they might be wrong.

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#1179 Kazyumi

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 05:25 PM

FYI atheists and creationists:Dino's = LIES.
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#1180 Beowulf

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 05:32 PM

Holy thread necromancy, Batman! XD

Nice article.... :wink_new:

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