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[Phoenix Rising]

Just a quick poll question about something I was contemplating, but don't really have a good answer for. Vanilla EaW introduced this concept of "paired" heroes: Han Solo & Chewbacca, C-3PO & R2-D2, Darth Vader & that guy on the Executor (on second thought, let's not go there). Theoretically, this could include other famous combinations as heroes are added, such as Kyle Katarn & Jan Ors, Zuckuss & 4-LOM, Dash Rendar & LE-BO2D9, etcetera. It works great for piloting transports because it allows both heroes to be in the same unit, but at other times, it can be awkward.

So the question today is, should we split them up for PR or keep them paired? Splitting them would involve giving each hero his or her own team, which would mean autonomy in galactic mode at the cost of using up an extra garrison slot on-planet and not being able to group in space, and not doing that would obviously not change anything.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 10 July 2009 - 04:20 PM.

[murph]

Just a quick poll question about something I was contemplating, but don't really have a good answer for. Vanilla EaW introduced this concept of "paired" heroes: Han Solo & Chewbacca, C-3PO & R2-D2, Darth Vader & that guy on the Executor (on second thought, let's not go there). Theoretically, this could include other famous combinations as heroes are added, such as Kyle Katarn & Jan Ors, Zuckuss & 4-LOM, Dash Rendar & LE-BO2D9, etcetera. It works great for piloting transports because it allows both heroes to be in the same unit, but at other times, it can be awkward.

So the question today is, should we split them up for PR or keep them paired? Splitting them would involve giving each hero his or her own team, which would mean autonomy in galactic mode at the cost of using up an extra garrison slot on-planet and not being able to group in space, and not doing that would obviously not change anything.

The vote is a yes / no but you've given two options in the question.

Does this mean vote Yes for splitting them?

I'll assume so, I think it's a good idea to keep the pairs, feels more star warsey

Edited by murph, 09 July 2009 - 10:39 PM.

[Casen]

It really depends on the hero. Hero's such as R2-D2 and C3PO should stay together. Though the awkward question rises for units that each have unique abilities like Han and Chewbacca; if you split them up, what would Chewbacca fly on the galactic map/space? There's only one Millennium Falcon.

I vote to keep them paired, as the issues outweigh the advantages.

On a side note, I would just love to see Dash Rendar and LE-BO2D9 in the mod.

EDIT: Also I'm a bit confused at the poll. Yes to remain together or split? Because I voted yes and I want them to remain together...I think I voted incorrectly.

Edited by Kacen, 10 July 2009 - 02:33 AM.

[Eagle]

I think there are good reasons to leave them together and good reasons to separate them.

Together
Like Kacen said there is only one Falcon.
Its one less ship to fill the UI in space combat.
Canonically you just cant separate some of them

Separate
If one dies in land combat do they both die?
More Heroes means more elite ships
more diverse ships with more special abilities


So my vote is to mix it up.

[Phoenix Rising]

The vote is a yes / no but you've given two options in the question.

Heh, mental lapse... I rewrote the question halfway through. It's supposed to be a yea/nay on splitting. Edit: I reset the poll, so please vote again.

It really depends on the hero. Hero's such as R2-D2 and C3PO should stay together.

I think you could also logically pair R2 with Luke and 3PO with Leia though . If R2's not with Luke, then who's the astromech in his X-wing (although that's probably less of an issue than the Falcon's co-pilot)?

Though the awkward question rises for units that each have unique abilities like Han and Chewbacca; if you split them up, what would Chewbacca fly on the galactic map/space? There's only one Millennium Falcon.

Should Han ever get the Mon Remonda, I think I would be able to put him in that and keep Chewie in the Falcon, just so it's not sitting in a docking bay somewhere. In that case, I guess they would be paired up until that upgrade took place, although it would depend on how dying/respawning worked (if one was killed, you'd have to wait for the other to die as well before you could rebuild).

Separate
If one dies in land combat do they both die?

No, they would be totally different heroes like Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis.

Edited by Phoenix Rising, 10 July 2009 - 04:20 PM.

[Eagle]

Separate
If one dies in land combat do they both die?

No, they would be totally different heroes like Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis.

Sorry, if they were paired would they both die.

[Phoenix Rising]

Sorry, if they were paired would they both die.

Usually no - one can die in land combat and both will survive the battle. The droids are an exception though because they're technically one unit on the ground.

[Eagle]

OK thanks i guess the would be a good reason to keep them paired.

[skie9173]

maybe a mechnic could be made where hero pairs could be recruited together but as seperate units? many of the pairs (ex: Han and Chewie) would be together at the start of the campgain timelines but might split later. this is especially true for R2 and 3PO. another idea could be that hero pairs are seperate but when they are together add bonuses to one another. ex: Han normally flys the Falcon but when Chewie or Lando (maybe even Luke) are with him the Falcon gets bonuses. Or when R2 is with Luke, Luke's X-wing gets a combat bonus. its time intensve i know but i could be a good idea, it also relies on if you can set what heroes choose to be transported in when they have no personal ship to fly (unupgraded). just my suggestion.

Edited by skie9173, 27 August 2009 - 12:37 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

Looks like famous duos are here to stay. Can't say I'm unhappy with that result.

[Tropical Bob]

Another option to possibly consider would be to hire specific heroes separate, but when they're on the same planet, upgrade them into one company if the player wishes. (Like what I tried to do in v1.0 with the Lusankya and an added in Gavin-led Rogue Squadron.)

Edited by Tropical Bob, 10 September 2009 - 06:03 AM.

[Phoenix Rising]

The reason I don't do that is because it could put a snag in the upgrade progression if one hero is in the campaign and the other isn't. The same is true for the multi-hero squadrons from vanilla; you can't have Wedge at Red 3 for 30 years. So instead we allow there to be multiple Red Squadrons, if necessary. This is not unprecedented: the Rogues went from a squadron to a wing for a few years and the 181st downsized from a wing to a group*. I know you didn't ask about that, but I thought I should explain it for reference.

(*Note, this is the opposite of our RAF-based nomenclature for the Empire only. Imperial "group captains" command a six-squadron wing, while "wing commanders" command a three-squadron group. Since the Alliance uses three-squadron wings, they are correctly led by a "wing commander".)