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[Hostile]

There is a rising stink of war in the air. Arabs are paying the cost. Just like the cold war, there are wars being fought by proxy. One can view the whole thing on a limited scale, Israeli's and Lebanon fighting.

It's not that at all. It's more the US vs the Iranians, but through proxy wars. We are coming to a head, a climax so to speak. Can't blame the Iranians, we took Afganistan, we took Iraq, and well Iran was part of the Axis of evil.

So you cannot blame them for doing what they do, start a proxy war in Lebanon, move forward with their nuke program, proliferate missile tech. Except that just like the cold war, they are trying to take over the whole world and form an Islamic fundamentalist one world government. So instead of commies, now we fight fascist-islamists.

See the story doesn't change, only the players. there are very smart people with alot of resources trying to take over the whole world. Take for example paranoid socialist freaks who say corporations are taking over the world. When in actuality not one nation I know of is run by a corp. Not even one.

Yet there is large amounts of stuff saying otherwise. I'm most amazed at how many people are actually trying to take over the world all at once. Oh like the US, Right Wing Coalitions, communists, neo nazi's, capitalists, anarchists, street gangs, drunks, assholes, cyber junkies, pot smokers, fucktards, green people, people who have a mole on thier right testicle, people in Hollywood who think they know politics, people in Hollywood who crams GAY shit down our throats.

People who are left handed, people who continue to suck out of a straw even though the drink is finished, people who masterbate and don't admit they masterbate, people who decide to make a lane change THAN put on thier blinker, THEN fucking wave like they are saying hello.

Or maybe it's just me. Or is it? Am I going insane or are people just fucking stupid? Especially when you get them in groups and give them a flag.

[Blodo]

The US invades Afghanistan, Iraq, backs the most militaristic regime in the middle east and threatens Ian with invasion if they don't halt their nuke program (remembering that the US has enough nukes to blow up the whole world). But it is Iran that is trying to take over the world in a fascist dictatorship. God, Hostile...

Your world police demeanor hasn't changed. You're fighting the so-called fascist islamists because you choose to. It wasn't Iran that came in and took part of North America. It was the US that came in to do war for oil. In the middle east. It may be just me but it is hard to notice how exactly are you defending anyone by invading everyone. It was the same way during the cold war. It wasn't the "commies" that threatened you. It was the other way around. The "commies" were defending, while you attacked everyone. Korea, Vietnam, and a whole damn lot of small islands that nobody really gave a fuck about. You almost invaded Cuba, but then a spark has rendered some intelligence and you noticed that it would probably cause nuclear payloads to fly around. All that while the Soviet Union hasn't attacked ANY capitalist country from what I recall. Weird, eh?

Then you try and fight the argument that corporations don't run the government, and also call socialists "freaks". What, do we have to wait until one of them starts taking over, and all shit will hit the fan? I don't know about you but instead of sitting on my hands and mumbling that nothing like that will happen (which strangely enough resembles how everyone felt before WW2 - Germany will never attack) I would rather take measures and precautions. The market is too free to be free. The corporations have all the grounds they need to start making bids for power. As a matter of fact, I think a corporate mind is in control of your very country. Dick Cheney is an executive of Halliburton, a corporation so shady that even Cillit Bang couldn't clean all the shades off.

But then again why should I try and convince you. You are telling me doublespeak right into my very eyes. I don't think there's even hope for you anymore.

[Tom]

Hostile do you even realise the federal reserve is not even federal. Thats right, your tax income is an independant bank. Research it. Heck income tax is illegal by your constitution, however you still pay it. Now tell me corporations are not buying out the world. Its not islamic fascists we need to watch, its the people who are manipulating the middle east into the third world war as an excuse to state "we need a one world state to stop this shit happening." Its happening for the following reasons:
Because we the people allow it to through out ignorance, immaturity and not wanting to take responsibility for our world to become adults
2. Because there are people out there manipulating these parts of the world to create situations for problem-reaction-solution. Upon that point, the problem is created by them, the reaction is given by us, because thats all we do nowadays, react. The solution is then implemented by them.

Hostile read your constitution please, take a look what is happening to your country and the rest of the west, take a look at the federal reserve. Its a huge scam, the elite rich has stolen the real wealth from america and given you false wealth known as paper cash in which they brainwashed us to believe it to be money. Your national deficit is higher than ever. There is corporate involvement within the government, and the international bankers, especially the federal reserve are puppet masters of these governments and these corporations.

Israel was created by the Rothschild Dynasty, not to be a land of the jews but to be used to create a situation for the third world war in which they can finalise their new world state. The zionists within israel are nothing more than fascists who only wish to expand the border of israel. They hold hatred for palastine and arabs.

For example:
'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.' - Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

'We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!' - Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

'[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.' - Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls.' - Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers, New York Times April 1, 1988

And this one:
'Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.' - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Quotes from lead zionists themselves. The people of israel are being brainwashed by such propaganda and this is why they sell their souls to these people.

I meant i can hardly respect such movements when you see such things as this:


Israeli children signing bombs for Lebenonese children. Its just sick what propaganda can do to people.

You forget before the soldier was "kidnapped" by palastinans (more like prisoner of war) the Israelis assaulting a beach on the northern Gaza Strip for no real reason, other that spin coverage the media set up. This happened on June 9th 2006.

On June 13th 2006 an Israeli plane fired at a vehicle on a busy Gaza road and when civilians hurried to help the injured another missile was fired into the crowd.

Is this acceptable? Your stating that there are islamic fascists but are you ignoring totally the zionist fascists?

Theres a little more than meets the eye in the middle east. Especially when it comes to Hezbollah and the kidnapping of israeli soldiers.

The best thing anyone can do in the world is turn off their TV and never watch the corporate owned media again. That solves problem one.

[Hostile]

@BLODO, TBH it was an relatively equal opportunity rant, I did place the US at the top of the list ofpeople trying to take over the world. The humorous part of the rant is stating everyone is trying to take over the world.

Hostile do you even realise the federal reserve is not even federal. Thats right, your tax income is an independant bank.

Basic fact, everyone knows that. The government owns the mint not the money. I'd rather a civilian bank run the money system than the government anyway.

Research it. Heck income tax is illegal by your constitution, however you still pay it.

http://www.infopleas...a/A0005921.html Tom I have no idea why you think it's illegal. That makes no sense.

Now tell me corporations are not buying out the world. Its not islamic fascists we need to watch, its the people who are manipulating the middle east into the third world war as an excuse to state "we need a one world state to stop this shit happening." Its happening for the following reasons:
Because we the people allow it to through out ignorance, immaturity and not wanting to take responsibility for our world to become adults
2. Because there are people out there manipulating these parts of the world to create situations for problem-reaction-solution. Upon that point, the problem is created by them, the reaction is given by us, because thats all we do nowadays, react. The solution is then implemented by them.

Hostile read your constitution please, take a look what is happening to your country and the rest of the west, take a look at the federal reserve. Its a huge scam, the elite rich has stolen the real wealth from america and given you false wealth known as paper cash in which they brainwashed us to believe it to be money. Your national deficit is higher than ever. There is corporate involvement within the government, and the international bankers, especially the federal reserve are puppet masters of these governments and these corporations.

The federal reserve is a civilian bank system. It controls the flow of money. I'd like to think a banker knows how to run a bank better than the government. That is why generally people who makes laws are lawyers. You also contradicted yourself in your last statement. You state it's a scam by not being run by the government, that state it's a puppet of the government.

And once again if you understood money you'd understand wealth and money are totally differant. Money is a means of exchange, nothing more. Wealthy people do not have large amounts of money, they have large amounts of assets. Only poor people stash money, which by nature is a devaluating system. Do you think the bank keeps any more money "in the bank" than it has too?

No it owns assets that it leverages to gain other assets. That way it can make sure it can afford to give you money when you need it, including loans. Your bank account is a liability to the bank. Because it can be removed at any point. Where a loan is an asset as it will make money from the interest.

You shouldn't argue with a banker on how the bank works. I am a banker with a hobby in asset building.

Also as a final note, blame china for currency, they invented it. I'd much prefer to give you money for a barrel of something I need than have to give to a barrel in exchange. Unless of course it's germany 1930, than I'd have to give you a barrel of money.

Now for the record, I believe a (limited)socialst democracy with tight knit regulations on corporations and maybe even (gasp) corporate income caps is a nice direction to go in. A corporation is forced to spin off sections is it got too large, nothing wrong with that.

But TBH the individual owners would still own both companies. At least it deters mega-corporations from buying themselves a country.

On another note, if I had a choice of a muslim sawing my head off or dieing in a commie work camp, I'd take the workcamp. I'd rather live in a grey 2 bedroom ghetto house with only being allowed to have one child, 12 hours works days, and no chance rising from it than living in religious servitude until getting carved like a chirstmas ham or stoned to death when I disagree with my leaders.

[MSpencer]

If the government were in charge of money in this country, nobody would ever see a dime. The government is woefully inefficient when it comes to managing anything with dollar bills attached to it...

[Tom]

No the governments are influenced by huge corporations, corporations are linked too the banks for obvious reasons. The banks have central control over the economic systems.

It was a Rothschild that said: Give me control of a countries finance and i care not of its laws.

The wealth of america is not owned by the government, its owned by the banks and corporations. You are given worthless money known as the dollar, same as the pound. The dollar is 5cents of what it was worth 100years ago because of the scam, yet we've been conditioned to believe otherwise. Paper is nothing more than a receipt however we believe the paper is really money, its not. The money does no longer exist.

I'm not up for full state control of everything, only minor regulations on corporations, but this should be monitored by the people and not the government. The people should take responsibility here. The federal reserve is a cartel of the major banks in america, they also make money off your taxes. Your constitution starts with: "we the people" meaning the government is there to serve the people. No one takes notice of this nowadays, politicians are now only to serve themselves and the rich elite.

BTW your constitution states that there cannot be a direct tax on income in one of the articles, although i believe amendment 16 or an amendment from around 1891 changed that ignoring the fact it was stated in the consitution that congress could not do a direct tax on peoples property.

I'm not against income tax, if the people want it to pay for services such as an NHS etc thats fine imo however it does give ridiculous power to the government when unchecked, e.g. the ability to wage war from the taxes you pay.

[Hostile]

No the governments are influenced by huge corporations, corporations are linked too the banks for obvious reasons. The banks have central control over the economic systems.

Tom, it kinda has to work that way, bankers runs banks, lawyers argue and make laws, the government governs, doctors practice medicine.

It was a Rothschild that said: Give me control of a countries finance and i care not of its laws.

Was it not I who brought up the point of elitests in the first place, yes dangerous people. But Tom sometimes you scare me with your run away comments.

I suppose you could assasinate the Rothchilds, the Hiltons, the Gates, the Kenedys, the Windsors, the Bushes, the Rockefellers, and so on. Killing a bunch of people certainly won't do any good.

The wealth of america is not owned by the government, its owned by the banks and corporations. You are given worthless money known as the dollar, same as the pound. The dollar is 5cents of what it was worth 100years ago because of the scam, yet we've been conditioned to believe otherwise. Paper is nothing more than a receipt however we believe the paper is really money, its not. The money does no longer exist.

Money is paper and nothing more, it's a medium of exchange. I'll trade my 2 bits for your haircut. But at the same time, there is innumerous wealth aquired by people having things like property ownership, small level corps, people even actually make money by cashing illigal immigrants checks.

Money is absolutely worthless unless you exchange it for something like an asset. Let's say...a barrel of something you need.

I'm not up for full state control of everything, only minor regulations on corporations, but this should be monitored by the people and not the government. The people should take responsibility here. The federal reserve is a cartel of the major banks in america, they also make money off your taxes. Your constitution starts with: "we the people" meaning the government is there to serve the people. No one takes notice of this nowadays, politicians are now only to serve themselves and the rich elite.

I'm for major corporate regulations. But regulations should be run by the government, not the people. See people are corrupt, government is inefficient. Combine the two and we will fall.

BTW your constitution states that there cannot be a direct tax on income in one of the articles, although i believe amendment 16 or an amendment from around 1891 changed that ignoring the fact it was stated in the consitution that congress could not do a direct tax on peoples property.

Tom, that is a definition of an amendment. It's an alteration of the Constitution passed by enormous mass consent..

I'm not against income tax, if the people want it to pay for services such as an NHS etc thats fine imo however it does give ridiculous power to the government when unchecked, e.g. the ability to wage war from the taxes you pay.

I don't have an issue of having a large military or large medical service overhead, question is where is it going next. :(

[Airman]

@Hybrid
I believe that Isreal has a right to attack Lebanon, but they don't target civilians. It's hard to spot a terrorist in a crowd because they blend in, or are diguised as a crowd member. I'm sure they nailed some terrorists, but at least they apologize for killing civilians, unlike some(I mean all...) terrorist bastards...

[Tom]

Israel is a terrorist state. Its leaders have fed its peoples lies and made them believe they are the chosen race, just like Hitler did to the Ayrans. If you make anyone believe they are a chosen race they will do anything. An example is the kids writing on the bombs to israel.

If Hezbollah grabs a few soldiers who are constantly in their land then isn't that right that they can arrest them? Hezbollah is not entirely a terrorist organisation. I'm trying to research into it. The only reason people believe its a terrorist organisation is because they've been told it is. One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. If Hezbollah truely believes they are defending their country from Israel then its not that they are terrorists, they are merely an organisation trying to defend themselves from Israels terrorist regime. However i'm not stating that these men are entirely innocent of atrocities themselves. Every side in a war will commit atrocities, regardless of what its underlying ideology is. It entirely depends on how people induviduality perceive the conflict in the middle east. Don't believe the media, research it YOURSELF and then decide. The media is nothing more than a propaganda tool for elite capitalist bankers who are taking over capitalism and destroying a system that could work if everyone was educated correctly of it.

[Airman]

Hold it there man! Terrorists? What the news is feeding yall is quite scary... Anyways, if those bombs are sighned off by Isreali children, then why the fuck is it writen in english? That makes no sense. If that photo is fake (Which it most likely is) then the people who made it did a really bad job at it.

[Silent_Killa]

You do realize that English is a language that most people in Israel know right? Really, English is a fairly popular language all around the world.

Also, there's one signature in English, the rest are in what I'm guessing is Hebrew.

Israel has hardly apologized for civilian casualties, and when your civilian-militant kill ratio is as bad as theirs is I see little difference between them and the terrorists.

[Hostile]

I don't think that is a very fair assesment from either you or Tom. We all know what terrorists are, stateless people who attempt to scare people using death of civilians to cause changes to thier favor.

I can hardly say Israel behaves this way. The abductions were not captured Israeli soldiers on the wrong side of the border. It was a border raid into Israel.

You suggest the idea that Israel targets civilians. That's absolute nonsense.

If Hezbollah grabs a few soldiers who are constantly in their land then isn't that right that they can arrest them? Hezbollah is not entirely a terrorist organisation. I'm trying to research into it. The only reason people believe its a terrorist organisation is because they've been told it is. One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. If Hezbollah truely believes they are defending their country from Israel then its not that they are terrorists, they are merely an organisation trying to defend themselves from Israels terrorist regime.

Wait a second, wasn't it Hezbollah who entered Israel to abduct those soldiers, or are the facts not really important if they don't support your ideas? Hezbollah killed 230+ US marines on a peacekeeping mission during the early 80's? Granted it's a military target but is it ok to kill UN peacekeepers?

And if 230 Italians die under this new UN mission, is Hezbollah still freedom fighters? And what do they want freedom from? No one was occupying Lebanon when they did this. In fact I can't recall anytime when Israel invaded another country without provocation.

What did England do when Argentina "liberated" the Faukland Islands? Your last sentence cracks me up the most.

If Hezbollah truely believes they are defending their country from Israel then its not that they are terrorists, they are merely an organisation trying to defend themselves from Israels terrorist regime

Hezbollah isn't liberating anyone, they are a proxy army of shia sponsored by Iran and supported by Syria. Israel defended itself by trying to minimize civilian casualties, Hezbollah tried to maximize civilian casualties. There is a huge difference there.

[Tom]

I don't think that is a very fair assesment from either you or Tom. We all know what terrorists are, stateless people who attempt to scare people using death of civilians to cause changes to thier favor.

I can hardly say Israel behaves this way. The abductions were not captured Israeli soldiers on the wrong side of the border. It was a border raid into Israel.

Thats what we were TOLD, but because of that i have to question is that was REALLY happened or is that what they want us to believe happened to make us proisrael. Israeli soldiers have entered lebenon before unauthorised, whats to stop it happening again and Hezbollah picking up their soldiers. I'm not stating Hezbollah is "innocent" in this conflict. I'm merely stating i don't think Hezbollah is what we are being told it is or what they want us to perceive it as. Then again i won't be able to make a firm conclusion on it until i've looked into the organisation more.

You suggest the idea that Israel targets civilians. That's absolute nonsense.

You have got to be kidding me. Of course israel targets civilians. It hates anyone whos not a zionist because its leaders believe it is the chosen race. Its some form of fascism. Whilst the citizens are mainly innocent the leaders still wage war continuously stating they are "defending" themselves. The quotes above pretty much prove the mindset of these people.

Wait a second, wasn't it Hezbollah who entered Israel to abduct those soldiers, or are the facts not really important if they don't support your ideas?

Are they facts or are they lies? I don't know you see. I don't know if Hezbollah would just enter Israel and abduct soldiers for no reason. Then again i don't know if Israel would make up a story to create another conflict. I also do not know if Israel attacked Lebenon or if Hezbollah attacked Israel. The facts that I have seen or even the general mindset seem alot different from the unknown facts that you believe in. Theres too much difference and i don't think you can see the full picture in the middle east by some biased close minded views from the media anyway.

Hezbollah killed 230+ US marines on a peacekeeping mission during the early 80's? Granted it's a military target but is it ok to kill UN peacekeepers?

History might always be differently portrayed by those who own it to what really happened. I cannot pretend to know if these events are true until i research into them, but i am not going to believe them because some anchorman told me so by reading out lines from an autoprompter.

And if 230 Italians die under this new UN mission, is Hezbollah still freedom fighters? And what do they want freedom from? No one was occupying Lebanon when they did this. In fact I can't recall anytime when Israel invaded another country without provocation.

But do you recall a time when Israel bombed a beach without provocation and killed an entirely innocent family earlier this year? I'm sorry. Hezbollah obviously has questions to answer and if it has committed crimes it needs to be brought to justice, but Hezbollah is not the only organisation or group of people here who has committed crimes.

What did England do when Argentina "liberated" the Faukland Islands? Your last sentence cracks me up the most.

Well i don't support any kind of warfare so this would be an irrelevent question to ask me.

Hezbollah isn't liberating anyone, they are a proxy army of shia sponsored by Iran and supported by Syria. Israel defended itself by trying to minimize civilian casualties, Hezbollah tried to maximize civilian casualties. There is a huge difference there.

Hence why i said "IF."

If they are sponsored by Iran and Syria then why don't we just nuke the entire area and save Iran and the Israel from doing it in about 5-10 years from now eh? Jesus hostile you make the situation sound like its entirely out of control and one sided. If you look though a partly covered window you can only see part of whats going on outside, however if you look though a fully open window you can see the full picture. Its exactly the same here. All i'm trying to do is get a real understanding of whats going on in the middle east then I can make real judgements on it. I am not going to believe "facts" from some corporate owned TV network stating that this is whats happening. Why? Because its childish and trying to brainwash people into following those "facts" all the time without question or reason. This is what turns people into children and what makes them too immature to take responsibility for anything their countries do or even other countries do.

Tom, that is a definition of an amendment. It's an alteration of the Constitution passed by enormous mass consent.

Actually if you research into it you'll find it wasn't actually ratified correctly, most states did not ratify this, but it was still added due to the pressure these bankers put on politicians. They still use the same form of mind control today to control todays politicians. If you get people drunk and then get them to perform things they usually wouldn't do, you have something you can blackmail them with. Easy to control them that way.

[Silent_Killa]

I don't think that is a very fair assesment from either you or Tom. We all know what terrorists are, stateless people who attempt to scare people using death of civilians to cause changes to thier favor.

Yet we still call Iran and Syria "Terrorist States". When you use civilian deaths in any capacity you are a terrorist.

You suggest the idea that Israel targets civilians. That's absolute nonsense.

Powerplants, factories, apartment buildings, and heavily trafficed bridges are civilian targets. Oh, and it wasn't just civilian targets either, firing at UN observers was a nice little addition as well.

Wait a second, wasn't it Hezbollah who entered Israel to abduct those soldiers, or are the facts not really important if they don't support your ideas? Hezbollah killed 230+ US marines on a peacekeeping mission during the early 80's? Granted it's a military target but is it ok to kill UN peacekeepers?

And if 230 Italians die under this new UN mission, is Hezbollah still freedom fighters? And what do they want freedom from? No one was occupying Lebanon when they did this. In fact I can't recall anytime when Israel invaded another country without provocation.

What did England do when Argentina "liberated" the Faukland Islands? Your last sentence cracks me up the most.

We're supposed to be the civilized ones here, regardless of what they do we don't sink to their level.

[Airman]

Ok, if you have a nice little country, like Isreal, and those bastards come in and:
1. Suicide bomb
2. Fire rockets into civilian areas
3. kidnapping YOUR own troops and killing them for no reason
4. Plus the news is against you too, but that's not with the point...

Would you not take action? Would you let it happen? No. I'd blow to crap out of them for those horrific acts of terrorism.

[Tom]

If you are extremist leaders in israel and you believe you are the chosen race wouldn't you also continuously murder and bomb innocents in other countries regardless of the costs. Israel is being used to create the next huge war. And then in doing so, certain elite bankers and rich men can go "we can protect you, give us all your freedoms."

[Silent_Killa]

Ok, if you have a nice little country, like Isreal, and those bastards come in and:
1. Suicide bomb
2. Fire rockets into civilian areas
3. kidnapping YOUR own troops and killing them for no reason
4. Plus the news is against you too, but that's not with the point...

1. I fail to see how suicide bombing is worse than regular bombing... other than the fact that every attack has +1 death that is.
2. Actually, Hezbollah didn't even fire any rockets at civilian targets until Israel started bombing civilian targets themselves.
3. Don't think the soldiers were actually killed, could be wrong on this though
4. Yes, that damn liberal media we have so much of today

Would you not take action? Would you let it happen? No. I'd blow to crap out of them for those horrific acts of terrorism.

If someone kidnapped a few of our soldiers and I was leader of a country of course I'd take action. I wouldn't go around bombing civilians targets though.

[Hostile]

Actually if you research into it you'll find it wasn't actually ratified correctly, most states did not ratify this, but it was still added due to the pressure these bankers put on politicians. They still use the same form of mind control today to control todays politicians. If you get people drunk and then get them to perform things they usually wouldn't do, you have something you can blackmail them with. Easy to control them that way.

http://caselaw.lp.fi...on/amendment16/ The actual law/amendment itself.
http://www.usconstit...nstamnotes.html How each amendment passed.
http://www.lexisnexi..._howitsdone.asp What does it take to amend the US Constitution.

You're not allowed to lie Tom. 2/3 of the states much accept it for it to happen. How can you say most states didn't do it. You are incorrect.

Hezbollah killed 230+ US marines on a peacekeeping mission during the early 80's? Granted it's a military target but is it ok to kill UN peacekeepers?

History might always be differently portrayed by those who own it to what really happened. I cannot pretend to know if these events are true until i research into them, but i am not going to believe them because some anchorman told me so by reading out lines from an autoprompter.

http://www.pbs.org/n...ne_11-7-83.html Believe me it happened.

You suggest the idea that Israel targets civilians. That's absolute nonsense.

Powerplants, factories, apartment buildings, and heavily trafficed bridges are civilian targets. Oh, and it wasn't just civilian targets either, firing at UN observers was a nice little addition as well.

Are these the same powerplants that power the Hezbollah? The same apartment buildings that house Hezbollah militiary units hiding among civilians? The same heavily trafficed bridges that carried arms coming in and retreating Hezbollah units out? Oh you mean those civilian targets.

The nation is called Lebanon, it's army is called the lebanese army. Hezbollah is a political party and a paramilitary group operating whithin the lebanese system as a proxy army for Iran and Syria. Lebanon cannot control them.

Yet we still call Iran and Syria "Terrorist States". When you use civilian deaths in any capacity you are a terrorist.

Now you have created your own non traditional definition for terrorists, so the US are terrorists because of ANY civilian casulaties, the chinese are terrorists because of Tianiman Square? The Russians are terrorists for Chechnya? The UK are terrorists for (OMG on that that, the list is too long)

And if a policeman kills and innocent man by mistake because of crossfire? Is he a terrorist? Grow up dude.

Israel has hardly apologized for civilian casualties, and when your civilian-militant kill ratio is as bad as theirs is I see little difference between them and the terrorists.

http://www.jpost.com...d=1153292030858
http://mmmee.blogspo...ael-aerial.html
Israel apologised.
http://atlasshrugs20...sive_nidra.html
This one is really interesting. Why should they apologize when those they are figthing hide among the civilians, still fire rockets, and pump up the numbers of actual civilians killed.

I understand you all have the best of intent, and sometimes imaginations and conspiracies run wild. But try to mix speculatiuon with some facts, many sources ar biased of course, but taking Toms advice that everything is the absolute opposite of what you read only leads to an unfounded and inconsistant portrayal of real life events.

[Silent_Killa]

Are these the same powerplants that power the Hezbollah? The same apartment buildings that house Hezbollah militiary units hiding among civilians? The same heavily trafficed bridges that carried arms coming in and retreating Hezbollah units out? Oh you mean those civilian targets. dry.gif

The nation is called Lebanon, it's army is called the lebanese army. Hezbollah is a political party and a paramilitary group operating whithin the lebanese system as a proxy army for Iran and Syria. Lebanon cannot control them.

So if a terrorist is on a bridge that you're on, I'm allowed to blow you both up? If a terrorist is using the same powerplant that you are I'm allowed to blow it up? If a terrorist is in your apartment building, I'm allowed to kill everone in it?

Now you have created your own non traditional definition for terrorists, so the US are terrorists because of ANY civilian casulaties, the chinese are terrorists because of Tianiman Square? The Russians are terrorists for Chechnya? The UK are terrorists for (OMG on that that, the list is too long)

And if a policeman kills and innocent man by mistake because of crossfire? Is he a terrorist? Grow up dude.

Don't twist my words Hostile, it's one thing when civilians are caught in the crossfire, it's another when you deliberately target civilians.

[Hostile]

Are these the same powerplants that power the Hezbollah? The same apartment buildings that house Hezbollah militiary units hiding among civilians? The same heavily trafficed bridges that carried arms coming in and retreating Hezbollah units out? Oh you mean those civilian targets. dry.gif

The nation is called Lebanon, it's army is called the lebanese army. Hezbollah is a political party and a paramilitary group operating whithin the lebanese system as a proxy army for Iran and Syria. Lebanon cannot control them.

So if a terrorist is on a bridge that you're on, I'm allowed to blow you both up? If a terrorist is using the same powerplant that you are I'm allowed to blow it up? If a terrorist is in your apartment building, I'm allowed to kill everone in it?

Now you have created your own non traditional definition for terrorists, so the US are terrorists because of ANY civilian casulaties, the chinese are terrorists because of Tianiman Square? The Russians are terrorists for Chechnya? The UK are terrorists for (OMG on that that, the list is too long)

And if a policeman kills and innocent man by mistake because of crossfire? Is he a terrorist? Grow up dude.

Don't twist my words Hostile, it's one thing when civilians are caught in the crossfire, it's another when you deliberately target civilians.

So if a civilian plane hijacked by terrorists where gonna crash into Empire State Building, would you shoot it down killing all 240 people on board? Only to kill 6 hijackers who ultimately would kill many more civilians?

If I was Israel and targeted an apartment building with Hezbollah units in it that were gonna fire or commandeer rocket fire into my country, would I shoot them down?

You have to look at things in perspective. Things aren't as cut and dried when put into that perspective...