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tdragonblood

Posted 19 May 2012 - 12:07 AM

Ah, this topic makes me so sad. But to answer the original question, Kacen is right on the money. The Special Editions is where is started, although not quite as obvious. Is it really necessary to make Mos Eisley, a spaceport and "wretched hive of scum and villainy," super populated with giant creatures? Greedo shooting first? The Jabba-Han scene... eh, I could live with it, but I didn't think it brought that much to the table.

I really wondered why they made a number of their changes. Greedo shooting first takes away from Han's personality, showing the abominable snow monster on Hoth takes away a huge amount of tension and mystery from the scene, and the musical scene on in Jabba's palace changed the atmosphere of his palace from scummy to cartoonish.

The Prequels basically took the same idea of those changes and made 3 movies from it. There was really bad characterization, considerable lack of tension, and it was quite cartoonish. Jar Jar Binks? Making everything bright and colorful? The horrendous script? How would you describe Anakin's, or heck, ANYONE'S characterization in the prequels? Qui gon jin was relatable, but outside of that? There was little to no synergy between characters. It was just a mess. The actors were fine, the directing and the script were terrible.

Oh well, at least we get awesome TC's like Phoenix Rising to remind us how awesome Star Wars can be.

Zeta1127

Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:46 PM

The original Clone Wars cartoon series isn't really anything, it is just "there", but I could care less about it because it's related to the clone wars.

The new Clone Wars series, and the 2008 movie, is just a hyper-charged concentration of everything that was wrong with the prequels, in addition to having rather autistic, stiff animation.

I was referring to what johnchm.10 was saying.

Phoenix Rising

Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:44 PM

"Rukh stabbed first!" Awesome idea for a tee shirt meta-parody.

Casen

Posted 08 May 2012 - 08:27 AM

TCW isn't the prequels, it seems like you are trying to use it as a synonym when it isn't.

The original Clone Wars cartoon series isn't really anything, it is just "there", but I could care less about it because it's related to the clone wars.

The new Clone Wars series, and the 2008 movie, is just a hyper-charged concentration of everything that was wrong with the prequels, in addition to having rather autistic, stiff animation.

Zeta1127

Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:12 PM

TCW isn't the prequels, it seems like you are trying to use it as a synonym when it isn't.

What issue with Rukh killing Thrawn?

The problem with the Legacy comics is they take place way too close to the everything else, and the Legacy era in general feels like a rehash of the Clone Wars and the Dark Times to me.

Darth Stalin

Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:50 PM

"The Greedo thing" - well, I always knew that HAN SHOT FIRST! :D as it was all that "Solo'ish" issue of dealing ith unexpected troubles with bounty hunters.

About the ExpUniv - I didn't read much of books and comics; and I stopped reading books after that stupid issue with Rukh killing Thrawn... Yet the latest DHComics series of Dark Times and Legacy are really fresh air. And Legacy is quite well anchored into "classical SW Universe", as the Siths were potent beings many thousands years before, so the period of galactic Civil War covered by Ep. IV-VI (and until Daala & Pellaeon era) was veeery short as compared to these conflicts of the past, raging across the Galaxy for centuries. Thus the emergence fo "New Sith/One Sith order" looks reasonable, and even the "newest" Skywalker (as well as his uncle...) is great character - a mixture of "life-troubled Luke, Dark Side-twisted Vader and some sort of Han Solo-style adventurer, all in one!

johnchm.10

Posted 05 May 2012 - 01:55 AM

so it just occurred to me that even in TOR, the technological crap has a greater resemblance to the original trilogy than that of the prequels, with the only exceptions being minor ones, more related to the advancement of real life technology, like Heads Up Displays in the ships, and other small tid-bits
it leads me to believe that there is even internal dissent towards TCW

johnchm.10

Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:08 PM

If I start making confetti pop out of Stormtroopers when they're shot, you guys will let me know it's time to hang it up, right?

What about Gungans?

ooh ooh ooh! maybe they should complain about a "stormy thirst!" too? lol

Phoenix Rising

Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:22 PM

The Luke and Biggs scenes are the most humanizing and relatable scenes filmed in the entire series. Polar opposite of a virgin-birth slave child who's owned by a giant bug.

Casen

Posted 04 May 2012 - 05:22 PM

The thing about the plinket reviews is that you can sit there for 3 hours, watch them all back to back, and stay entertained! Try reading or watching a serious objective review for 3 hours and see if you can handle it. They raise many good points, and I agree that the special editions are.... well... molested, for lack of a better word. Some things I didn't mind were the larger wide shots of Mos Eisly and the conversation between Jabba and Han by the falcon, however the crap that annoyed me was all the little things they changed for no reason. It's the same with the blu-ray. I have the blurays and will watch them because of how insanely crisp they are compared to the VHS tapes, but wish that they had included the theatrical releases of the movies in HD on the same disk as a bonus feature.

I fundamentally agree that the special editions weren't totally "negative", but I'd say 95% of it was unnecessary. The deleted scenes that were re-added I have no issue with - though I sorta wonder why they didn't add these:



To be fair it looks almost like they're just one take and unrefined.

I don't mind the Special Edition Empire Strikes back, nothing is jarring. A New Hope, well, the Greedo thing is definitely an issue. The Jabba deleted scene is well, what it is, and for all the movies re-enhancing the space battles, whilst they don't piss me off at all, I could argue were definitely sorta unnecessary, but I don't MIND them.

The worst thing in the special editions which is totally unforgivable is the aforementioned extended Jabba's Palace dance scene in Return of the Jedi. That's Jar Jar Binks level bad.

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