N(u)K(e) test?

You didn't read it. It's military necessity to have nuclear weapons.

Weren't you saying that the reason Russia or China don't qonquer most of the world was because they fear use of nuclear weapons against them if they do?

Anyways, if thats not what you said, Im making it my opinion; Nuclear weapons prevent any major war between superpowers, because no matter how big there army is, and no matter how many nukes they have, there is always another country that has enough nukes to destroy there attack forces. So they figure, why bother fighting a war that nobody will be able to win?

In my knowledge, I dont recall that any country has ever mounted a large scale attack on a nuclear power.

Of course, If all the nuclear powers became allies and tried to take over the world together, there would be nothing to stop them, but this will most likely never happen. (do you ever expect to see American and North Korean soldiers fighting together ).

Exactly, countrys are too worried wageing war against nuclear powers because it means you will loose. North Korea isn't that crazy they should of collapsed in 1992 according to economic projections, they will collapse soon even if they are starting to blabber about testing a H-Bomb now.

I think the casualty projections for a conventional US vs. Russian war is enough to keep anything from happening really. Same thing with China, and any other superpower for that matter. MAD is an accident waiting to happen.

Remember the Cold War? The Russian economy collapsed after trying to build more and better things. We can do the same. What I mean is, if they create a new bomber or tank, we say we have a better version. Then, after mass producing the newly designed tank or unit, they will crete another kind and mass produce that too. Anyways, we have raptors...they blow away thier aircraft.

Remember the Cold War? The Russian economy collapsed after trying to build more and better things. We can do the same. What I mean is, if they create a new bomber or tank, we say we have a better version. Then, after mass producing the newly designed tank or unit, they will crete another kind and mass produce that too. Anyways, we have raptors...they blow away thier aircraft.

Raptors so?

They have tanks they could proberly take out Northen Europes defences in a week or two with the exception of the UK.

Doubt it, they'd be pummeled by stealth bombers, cruise missiles and other such things. It's not like they'd be able to mobilize their entire army without anyone noticing. They would never be able to successfully take all of Europe.

And I wouldn't underestimate Europe's tank force, Germany has something like 1,800 Leopard 2's if I remember correctly. Then you have another 4,000 or so that that were exported elsewhere in Europe.

But NK having nukes has nothing to do with NK using nukes, only nation stupid enough to actually consider the use of nukes is the US, and the only reason NK are making nukes is because US backed out of a treaty with them. Basically, NK wasn't going to make nukes, and in return America was going to help their nuclear power program. America got bored, started refusing to comunicate with NK (well, without at least China Japan and Russia in the same room), and starts threatening NK with blockades, and other things considered acts of war.
If you are in a position to be attacked by a nuclear superpower, your best defence is to become one. Not to nuke America with, but to play the MAD trump card.
However, NK's reshime is desperate. They counterfit forign currency, traffic drugs, and launder money at a goverment level to keep them going, but as a worst case scenario, nukes would be a valuable asset to sell, and there are people crazy enough to use them...
Of course, thats a worse case scenario. And an easy and safe route around would be America sitting down and talking to them, which is all they've been asking for for years. Not China, Not Japan, Just America. America is the one threatening them, America is the one who broke their treaty, America is the one with troops on the border pointing guns at them.
Is NK having nukes a danger? Only if God's own, the U-S-of-A, is stupid enough to continue its non-comunications policy, and continues waving guns and sanctions at them, and lets face it, its highly likely, so get ready to run for the hills.

Yeah, having nukes is not the main reason I dont support the North Korean regime, its mainly because Kim Jong Il and his top military commanders are driving around in mercedes, and have other luxury items, while his people are starving to death.

I know nukes cost a lot more than luxury items, but at least they serve some defensive purpose. Kim's mansion and mercedes, however, do not.

Doubt it, they'd be pummeled by stealth bombers, cruise missiles and other such things. It's not like they'd be able to mobilize their entire army without anyone noticing. They would never be able to successfully take all of Europe.

And I wouldn't underestimate Europe's tank force, Germany has something like 1,800 Leopard 2's if I remember correctly. Then you have another 4,000 or so that that were exported elsewhere in Europe.

Not really. But then again, Hitler started with Poland, and Bush started with Afghanistan. If Russia wanted Europe, it wouldn't be too incredibly hard, as they've already got friends in Byelorussia and most of the former western Russian states, and they just don't like Poland enough to keep them independent. Western powers would be slow to act against Russia, the United States has a skeleton crew in Germany now, the air force has been pulled to other theaters, and the majority of forces are in Iraq or have already been through the meatgrinder once.
Germany certainly can't have 1,800 Leopards, especially if we only have about 1,400 Abrams. In any event, 1,800 brand new tanks will not do anything to stop 4,600 mediocre tanks with many of them being brand new themselves. One of the main promises during the Cold War for success in Europe was American intervention on behalf of France and Germany, and to a lesser extent the rest of the free NATO countries. Today, the United States cannot offer that support. We have incurred incredible losses in materiel and manpower, and the American people again are weary of a war, especially against anything more than Iraq. Sure, most Americans are ignorant and believe we could beat them in a minute and a half with our non-existent brand new air superiority fighters which haven't gone into service, our amazing tied up navy which has obligations all over the world, and our brand new tanks which can valiantly stand up to a total of three RPG-7s before being disabled, but in reality, our chances of even coming to the aid of Europe at this point are quite diminished.

And I suppose this is where the other one comes around and says "AMERICA RULZZZ". Unfortunately, the world does not work like that.

yeah, i feel that Russia is getting scary these days, its getting more and more nationalistic and rascistic and Putin got like 70% support as president. the media also is pretty much a bunch of poodles which makes it look like Russia has enemies all around them...i sure hope that he cannot stay president forever, or else things might become grim indeed.

Yes, I think Russia is yet again a rising power. Putin seems to be a very smart yet ruthless man. I wouldn't be surprised if he remained president for a very long time to come.

That's why we CANNOT let them amass large forces. But, still. Out troops are better trained....

The russians know that they would get glassed if they poked at us. But, countries with insane leaders don't give a care for thier country's destruction, but want to destroy us in the process. You see, if russia tries to take over Europe, we would help counter that attack.

And, we have plenty of man power and resources to defend and attack.

So where did you get your PhD in International Relations?

No insults, spence.

I don't have one, I just sudy up on the cold war.

It's more of a point. I have already stated several things which you clearly have not taken into account or have even bothered to read. The United States does not have the resources to even deal with an insurgency in Iraq, let alone a belligerent Russia with the assistance of most of the former Soviet Union. When promised prominence, the little countries surrounding her borders would certainly stack up against.

Not really. But then again, Hitler started with Poland, and Bush started with Afghanistan. If Russia wanted Europe, it wouldn't be too incredibly hard, as they've already got friends in Byelorussia and most of the former western Russian states, and they just don't like Poland enough to keep them independent. Western powers would be slow to act against Russia, the United States has a skeleton crew in Germany now, the air force has been pulled to other theaters, and the majority of forces are in Iraq or have already been through the meatgrinder once.
Germany certainly can't have 1,800 Leopards, especially if we only have about 1,400 Abrams. In any event, 1,800 brand new tanks will not do anything to stop 4,600 mediocre tanks with many of them being brand new themselves. One of the main promises during the Cold War for success in Europe was American intervention on behalf of France and Germany, and to a lesser extent the rest of the free NATO countries. Today, the United States cannot offer that support. We have incurred incredible losses in materiel and manpower, and the American people again are weary of a war, especially against anything more than Iraq. Sure, most Americans are ignorant and believe we could beat them in a minute and a half with our non-existent brand new air superiority fighters which haven't gone into service, our amazing tied up navy which has obligations all over the world, and our brand new tanks which can valiantly stand up to a total of three RPG-7s before being disabled, but in reality, our chances of even coming to the aid of Europe at this point are quite diminished.

And I suppose this is where the other one comes around and says "AMERICA RULZZZ". Unfortunately, the world does not work like that.

I doubt a lot of countries would be down for a military occupation. I'm not sure if that's how many Leo's Germany has, but I do know they've exported something like 6,000 with only a couple of countries being outside of Europe. Europe doesn't need our help, so long as the majority of them fought back Russia would never be able to push through... they might be able to take the former Soviet Bloc, but would never be able to successfully occupy it.

So where did you get your PhD in International Relations?

What exactly is your degree in anyways, so I can disregard all of your posts you don't have a doctorate in? As far as I've been able to tell you seem to have one in everything from military analysis to evolutionary biology

You noticed that also? I was gonna say something, than realized I didn't have a degree in typing.

It stands to reason that unless someone has significant experience in the field of international relations, they cannot definitely say that something will happen. I can state with some certainty that the United States does not have the resources to fight a war in Europe, but we might anyway. I can't stand seeing posts by someone ignorant of the facts who thinks, literally, that the United States can beat Russia in the morning and have the soldiers home in time for tea.

It stands to reason that unless someone has significant experience in the field of international relations, they cannot definitely say that something will happen. I can state with some certainty that the United States does not have the resources to fight a war in Europe, but we might anyway. I can't stand seeing posts by someone ignorant of the facts who thinks, literally, that the United States can beat Russia in the morning and have the soldiers home in time for tea.

Hey man, I may not have a PHD in anything, but I sure as hell can type up what I think is right. Also, you calling me 'ignorant' is starting to show me that that's all you can say, and you need to stop woth those insults. Did I ever say they would be back later in the day? No. So don't twist what I say.

Anyways, We can kick the Russiann's behinds if they try to invade us or our allies. Rgose A10s can mow down tanks, raptors for aircraft, abrams for tanks, humvees for running over infantry, and marines to make sure the job is done.And that's not all, folks.