Master Thudo on the AI for CNC3.

Posted 09 March 2007 - 05:59 AM

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 02:37 PM

I have my EA contacts so it's not impossible to get your message to EA if you have something to say.

hehe.. wonder if its the same EA contacts back in the failed Generals/ZH days? Hoping not.

Nevertheless.. there is ALOT of good feedback on the game as well as for its AI.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 02:43 PM

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 02:45 PM

No, I think Hostile has some really good EA contacts, and EA is more open to suggestions from modders than they were back in the Generals/ZH time.

Well that would certainly be a MASSIVE DEPARTURE if true. I don't have fond memories of those EA devs on the Gen/ZH project. Working on its AI had its moments and to this day Generals/ZH ranks up there as one of my top PC RTSes.

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Posted 09 March 2007 - 02:51 PM

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 01:43 PM

Damn this C&C3 demo AI continues to impress!

Had a game against a Nod Hard-Balanced AI and lasted much longer than 5mins.

However.. he honestly screwed me over bad as if he learns each game how to own you even though you think yer some tough sh*t..

o He continued to Avatar and Suicide Bomb-rush me more than I've seen
o He loved screwing me with good Air and especially Air Bombing runs against key AA and regular base buildings (this was more prevalent when I sent tank formations out to get close to his base.. he would just Air Bomb me without prejudice).
o He built a SuperWeapon much faster than expected and then to add salt to the wound soon afterwards put a Stealth Gen near it so I could then not lock on to it! Grrrrrr!!

I call all this bloody smart AI ! !

This is why I fail to understand why people want smarter C&C3 AI as it seems to learn from me each time I play. Very impressive and yet I tried to play like others have (based on the YouTube videos of people beating Brutal-Balanced in 50mins.. something isn't right at all with the AI they experience with the one I always do!!)

The ONLY thing I would improve on is always forcing the AI to add more base defenses and stealth Gens around key buildings like the MCV (HQ), Vehicle building, and, of course, the Superweapon. I think this is all easily achievable in the coming weeks after the release.

Otherwise, the AI countered everything I do wondefully but the worse s**t is when I try to send my massive tank column up to his base and I'm slowed down trying to get through his base defenses and hidden surprises since he has Stealth Gens everywhere! Then he has troops and Air Bombers screwing with me. The Air Bombers are the worse and no matter my AA he still can outdo them. Esshhh!

So we need smarter C&C3 AI then this? Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 04:21 PM

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 04:36 PM

But we will to learn how to ad AI for new units and make them an effective part of the attack/defend formula.

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 06:35 PM

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 08:19 PM

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 10:37 PM

I was playing as Nod today and the AI (on Brutal) somehow figured out that I was vulnerable to a mass tank invasion, so about an hour into the game they built about 50 pretador and pitbull tanks, and just slaughtered me. It was too smart, and the AI even figured out that they could just run over all my missile units with groups of 5 tanks at a time. Scary. I'm playing against hard now

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 11:39 PM

If the AI would withhold the construction of a Superweapon I could likely make a more firm stand. Air Bombers suck BADLY though as they come in and just reduce my Mammies down severely and since they have stealth and decent HPs rarely get killed. However, the Superweapon totally f**ks me over as it then changes everything kuzz I know one hit from the Nuke in a nice spot inside my base = P0WNED!

Its not so easy taking out his Super when its deep inside his base shrouded by Stealth Gens and gawd knows what else! Damn.. love this AI.

Who said we needed to mod it - its already too bloody good.

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 12:37 AM

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 12:46 AM

We need to add new units and structures and have the AI use them effectively. That's where the modding part come in. First understanding how it works, then adding new units.

Take Only War 2, and Master Windus project, they will have space battles, that will require some AI tweaking to effectively play the comp.

Yep.. I'm quite sure with XML that won't be a problem although lets wait til release to say firmly whats to be done. Going between DoW/DC and C&C3 will be a nice exchange although I am forever DoW/DC -- too much amazing stuff coming for it for me ever to leave.

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 08:57 PM

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 02:36 AM

Well I've found an AI method vs medium players. Granted I'm not a great player, so conquering medium is impressive for me on a 1vs1. But it's simple. Don't build anything...

Except a war factory and a tech center and fully buy all the upgrades, and build mammoths. I mean build no infantry. I built nothing. I added 2 anti infantry base defenses for cover. But they never attacked. The AI weighted my presence and found me too powerful to attack. Even though I only had 2 mammoths and 2 base defenses.

I played 4 games in a row and won each time the same way. But the AI gives you exactly enough time to buy what you need and upgrade before they come. Than they never seem to come.

Once you're fully upgraded and actually build one or two, the AI dies (goes idle) and does nothing, just sits there. So I move in with 2 mammoths into thier base from thier non tiberium side and walk all over them.

It requires alot of micro, but if you're fast and efficient, the AI drops off quick. Now I'm off to go beat Hard. I'm scared guys, going in for combat. See you on the other side.

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 03:03 AM

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 04:07 AM

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 04:58 PM

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