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no, I acctually meant the way they are now He asked if the archers were in the mod, not if it were a unit of it's own

Is Shagrat an orc or a black uruk?

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Edited by harad king, 14 July 2007 - 05:57 PM.

Shagrat is an orc. Gorbag is a black uruk.

-Gto

I thought it was vice-versa

Technically in the books they were bot Black Uruks.

@ Gto, if you remember in the books, Gorbag was pwned by Shagrat, but in the movies it made sense because Gorbag was a common orc unlike Shagrat. Now thats a bit wierd, a black uruk being killed by a lone orc.............

No, in the books it never says what shagrat is.

Seeing as how I knew this would come up again I kept a copy of my reasoning behind making shagrat an orc and gorbag the uruk:

on page 721 of TTT "The Choices of Master Samwise" Gorbag says the following to Shagrat:


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Always the poor Uruks to put slips right...


This means that atleast one of them is an uruk and the way it is said suggests that gorbag is an uruk since that saying implies that the speaker is part of the group mentioned. It doesn't say whether shagrat is an uruk or not, and the rest of the chapter uses Orcs and Uruks interchangably when talking about the two groups (shagrat's tower people and gorbag's uruks from morgul).

Interestingly if you watch the scene in the movie (which I am doing as I write this ), shagrat's book lines are almost all said by the orc... The part about everything going to the great eye was Shagrat in the book... the orc coming back to frodo after the fight was shagrat in the book (and the orc in the movie)... the movie orc is more familiar with Shelob and explains to the uruk what she does, suggesting that the orc lives in the tower and deals with shelob more often (shagrat)... the orc is also the one who orders his troops "Get him [frodo] to the tower!" a command that the commander of the tower (shagrat) would say. There are only two problem with PJ's film: it's the uruk who says "I don't take orders from stickin morgul rats" and the uruk who runs away with Frodo's mithril shirt to Barad-dur (possible reason is that sam kills the other orc in the tower so PJ had to use the uruk in this role). They NEVER actually say their names in the movie...


So, what I decided was that because PJ showed us two orcs, one an uruk and one an orc, was that shagrat should be the orc and gorbag must be the uruk.

I could be wrong, but this is the view I've taken as it makes the most sense to me. And my ideas + my mod = shagrat an orc.

If someone else has a different view on it and can back it up I might change it.

Also, keep in mind that I have to make one an orc and the other an uruk since that's what the movie did and that's what people expect to see...

-Gto

Gorbag was a vicious Uruk, but in the Jackson films he appears as a common Orc. He is the captain of an Orc troop of Minas Morgul. He served the Nazgûl who dwelled in the Dead City but he found them disturbing so he moved to Cirith Ungol with Shagrat I found this Info at wikipidia and I think shagrat was an orc but in the movies he appears as a black uruk and is Haldir going o have a timer in the mod and are team colors going to be remove sorry If I asked this question before I don't remember if I asked before

Edited by harad king, 17 July 2007 - 02:30 AM.

Well, remember 1 thing.... We never heard them say who's who... Nobody calls Shargrat for Shargrat, or Gorbag for Gorbag... I think that PJ thought about this too, cause he wasn't sure who's who

and is Haldir going o have a timer in the mod and are team colors going to be remove sorry

I can't say for sure about Haldir because this may be changed for balance reasons, but my goal is to have him, Imrahil, and any other summoned heroes be just like normal once summoned. None of them would have timers. (I guess there is also the issue of summoning him more then once... but it should be possible to get around this.)

Team color's will probably not be removed as I rather like being able to see which units are on which teams. However I will certainly include new lotr colors so that you aren't using silly neon greens and such.

-Gto

awwww man you guys already used up the first 5 qustions i had a mod related qustion because im haveing trobble makeing my mod i need to know how to change a certen thing oh well

this is questions about the mod, now how to mod.

Could you (or someone) add a blademaster type of attack to Sam where he uses his sword and his frying pan at the same time (like he does in Moria in the movie), and could you make it so that Merry and Pippin could ride on Treebeard and throw rocks from his shoulders? Also, could you create Beorn with his shapeshifting power?

While I will be adding something new to sam it probably won't be the frying pan attack. However I believe that Celeglin managed to make it work in his Elven Alliance mod... you might want to check it out

Beorn and the hobbits riding treebeard are definately out. Beorn would be hard to do as would the hobbits riding anything other then a horse (which only merry will be able to do). Though I think that the Rhovanion Alliance mod is adding Beorn and possibly the hobbits riding, again I'm not sure but you might want to check it out as well.

-Gto

Edited by GothmogtheOrc, 29 July 2007 - 12:47 AM.

Rhovanion Alliance is adding Grimbeorn, son of Beorn.

Time for something fun

I'll answer the first five questions... anything mod related you ask I'll answer

One thing though, they must be specific questions (ie you can't ask what all the heroes powers are) and you can't ask what the holy grail is... though if you happen to ask a question that relates to it I'll answer it

So ask away!

-GothmogtheOrc

if you play as gondor, when you build gandalf game crashes and gives a shadowfax error? whats wrong?

What? What mod are you refering to?

-Gto

Is his mod dead?

Nope, It's still alive and going I just was busy the past 2.5 months and hadn't been able to work on it. But that is no longer the case and I have been able to get some stuff done the past week or so.

At the moment I am keeping the progress behind the scenes but within a week or so I'll post something in the weekly mod update thread and in my forums

-GothmogtheOrc

On a scale of 1 to 10 how much of the mod is completed?

7/8

Edited by Beleg, 16 January 2008 - 12:57 PM.