Iran bans Western Haircuts...

Maybe I'm just stupid, because I can't comprehend the nonsensical jabber you're writing.

Honestly, what the hell does "I smell fail" mean?

How about putting up a decent argument as to why its so much better to blow the shit out of the middle east, make the muslims angry, and have them attcak us, than just letting them live peacefully in coexistance with us.

Believe me, it is not in human nature to absolutely hate someone for no reason. They hate us because we oppress and look down upon them, thinking our way of life is so much better than theirs is that we have to make up excuses to forcefully impose it on them for our own benefit.

You're the one who believes these excuses. You are the one with your head in the sand.

1. It's an expression. Usually reserved for conspiracy theorists.

2. Who said blow the shit out of em'? They do it well enough themselves. I don't feel obligated to give a full response for this one.

3. Oh, please. This hippie talk is starting to grate.

My point is damn plain and simple: Who saws off heads? Who takes hostages? Who kills civilians deliberately to inspire fear?

Don't even get me started on 'oppression'. There is NO COMPARISON between U.S. and Iranian politics, and I mean NONE.
OPPRESSION is hanging gays on a damned crane for being gay. OPPRESSION is honor killings. OPPRESSION is beating women for showing 'too much hair'. Do you require further examples of this?

EDIT: Here.
http://news.bbc.co.u...ast/6158195.stm
http://www.wfn.org/2...8/msg00057.html
http://www.jubileeca.../world/ira1.htm
http://www.nytimes.c...amp;oref=slogin

EDIT: Fixed your grammar mistakes as well.

Edited by DemonWolf, 07 May 2007 - 10:12 PM.

http://www.freerepub...s/1444377/posts
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
http://www.webcommen...amp;date=050111
http://www.historyofjihad.com/
http://www.strategyp...00595232512.asp
http://www.prophetof..._Timeline.Islam
http://www.history.n...c_terrorism.htm

So many interesting sources of info that I had to stop here. Many cannot be named with any credentials, but the facts they present can be verified with very little reseach.

But to reseach one link leads to 10 other interesting ones and so forth. It's obvious islamic extemist terrorism has been happening long before the last 20 years.

Cossack, bro, I like you but you can't state it's the actions of the western nations that caused this. It's incorrect information. Islam is founded by a mass murderer. The historical facts are there...

I'm not even go through the list of other "wierd" stuff Muhamed was into, incest, mental illness, and so on.

It said on one of the sources a good point.
"I'll die for my beliefs" ~christin/jewish martyr
"You'll die for my beliefs" ~Muslim martyr

How can anyone justify blowing themselves up to kill innocent people, cutting off heads of hostages, stoning people, ritual beatings, and honour killings?

It's nonsense and evil. Pure and simple.

Hostile wins this round.

Im not saying that the actions of western nations caused the violence that goes on in Islam, what Im saying is that its our actions that caused them to hate us.

No matter what you say about them believing the entire world should be run under a caliphate (which I am sure is only believed by a minority of muslims), you dont see muslims burning Russian, Chinese, or Mexican flags.

You know why? Because Russia , China and Mexico are not constantly trying to screw them over for their own benifit.

Ill admit that there are certain aspects of Islam that, more than other religions, inspire hate and violence within a small MINORITY of the muslim population, and Im not saying this was caused by us.

What Im saying is that if we just kind of let them settle there own problems and quit trying to interfere with their affairs (usually for our own gain), maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.

Intervention within the past 50 years, especially by the USA (Vietnam, Iran, Nicaragua....countless others), has caused major problem in this world, and what Im saying is that maybe this constant meddling into other nations' affairs is finally biting the US in the ass.

Edit: Demonwolf: what makes you the judge who is right and who is wrong. I thought this was an intellegent discussion rather than some sort of contest

Edited by Cossack, 07 May 2007 - 11:50 PM.

here's some info you might find interesting:
from www.worldpublicopinion.org





And from your fellow americans...

Edited by Cossack, 08 May 2007 - 12:12 AM.

Sorry, but I don't trust polls. They're numbers given by a small handful of individuals, usually ones that agree with the pollers' ideals.

And on a more personal view, I think the whole damn world is too focused on how they look in front of the cameras to take real action.

Edit: Demonwolf: what makes you the judge who is right and who is wrong. I thought this was an intellegent discussion rather than some sort of contest[/b]

You missed the point. AGAIN. I was agreeing with him. I'm pretty sure you know this.

Edited by DemonWolf, 08 May 2007 - 12:20 AM.

Im not saying that the actions of western nations caused the violence that goes on in Islam, what Im saying is that its our actions that caused them to hate us.

That may be a good point, it's also a point that one cannot measure. But IMO no matter what, we do know what thier goal is. And we know what the worst case based scenerio would be if they succeed. I mean muslim extremists.

No matter what you say about them believing the entire world should be run under a caliphate (which I am sure is only believed by a minority of muslims), you dont see muslims burning Russian, Chinese, or Mexican flags.

How long did it take muslims to aquire mass numbers of Danish flags to burn after the cartoon were released? Doesn't appear to be long at all. They appear to have a flag factory somewhere.

You know why? Because Russia , China and Mexico are not constantly trying to screw them over for their own benefit.

Russia - Beslan
China - Uighurs
http://www.glo.org/?q=node/1057
http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/4435135.stm
http://www.mosnews.c...kondomore.shtml
http://bd.english.fo.../Iran2/ed014033

Ill admit that there are certain aspects of Islam that, more than other religions, inspire hate and violence within a small MINORITY of the muslim population, and Im not saying this was caused by us.

It doesn't appear the facts support your feelings. Sometime you have to change the way you feel to make it it reflect the current world situation.

What Im saying is that if we just kind of let them settle there own problems and quit trying to interfere with their affairs (usually for our own gain), maybe they wouldn't hate us so much.

Sure, let us keep on doing what we are doing. We do nothing, doesn't stop them from attacking us.

http://en.wikipedia....mbassy_bombings
I have referenced wiki, which I openly slammed Paradox about. So I apologoze to Paradox for slamming him. Seems a decent resource after all.

Intervention within the past 50 years, especially by the USA (Vietnam, Iran, Nicaragua....countless others), has caused major problem in this world, and what Im saying is that maybe this constant meddling into other nations' affairs is finally biting the US in the ass.

But what about the other meddling nations? England, Russia, France, China, the Balkans, African Coalition, and S America. There are alot of nations that meddle in "things."

Edit: Demonwolf: what makes you the judge who is right and who is wrong. I thought this was an intellegent discussion rather than some sort of contest

His opinion is not differant than your's or mine, it's all meaningless. All of our words are simply typed words on our computers on some forum via the internet.

I don't need his approval to post my thoughts....

I dont believe that any of those countries, have been as active as the US in meddling with "things".

Btw, take a look at this website. http://www.mapsofwar...rican-wars.html

It shows what conflicts America have been in the last 200 years or so, and who was the man in charge. I think the numbers of conflicts the last 20 years or so, speak for themself.

Edited by Athgar, 08 May 2007 - 06:40 AM.

I saw an amusing name amongst that site. "Operation Just Cause."

Dear God, has there ever been a more blatantly obvious oxymoron?!

Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Oh and Cossack, I meant to point out a while ago that in my opinion you were incorrect in saying: People don't hate other people for no reason. Yeah, the KKK had every reason to hate blacks after what those bastards did to them! And what about in Darfur? They deserve everything the Janjaweed is doing to them!

Edited by Darkskul, 08 May 2007 - 07:51 PM.

Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Oh and Cossack, I meant to point out a while ago that in my opinion you were incorrect in saying: People don't hate other people for no reason. Yeah, the KKK had every reason to hate blacks after what those bastards did to them! And what about in Darfur? They deserve everything the Janjaweed is doing to them!

That wasn't for no reason. It was because they were misled and brainwashed by a bigoted society. As Hostile is. He didn't grow up hating muslims. And the muslims didn't grow up hating us.

As Sartre said, Terrorism is a terrible weapon, but it is the only one that the impoverished poor posess. Less true when you're dealing with religious extremists but nonetheless, you need to educate people and give them a voice.

Not just trying to save face, but that did actually occur to me right after the post. But them being brainwashed to hate us does not neccesarily relate to Western destruction, I think. Part of it is that the religious fanatics hate the Western world for our religion, and they have the power to brainwash children. Some of that brainwashing is irreversible, it's to deeply ingrained. And education of these people becomes near impossible, because they are too brianwashed to accept help from the valid sources, and they learn from the fanatics as do their children and throughout the generations the hatred spreads, and groups like Hamas and PLO come into popularity, and there is little to be done because the victims of propoganda will stop any efforts. And perverted Western interests fuck up the situation even more for their own gain. And because the selfish and compassionless are usually the ones in power, the cycle is inevitable.

Operation Iraqi Freedom?

Oh and Cossack, I meant to point out a while ago that in my opinion you were incorrect in saying: People don't hate other people for no reason. Yeah, the KKK had every reason to hate blacks after what those bastards did to them! And what about in Darfur? They deserve everything the Janjaweed is doing to them!

That wasn't for no reason. It was because they were misled and brainwashed by a bigoted society. As Hostile is. He didn't grow up hating muslims. And the muslims didn't grow up hating us.

As Sartre said, Terrorism is a terrible weapon, but it is the only one that the impoverished poor posess. Less true when you're dealing with religious extremists but nonetheless, you need to educate people and give them a voice.

Misled and brainwashed by a bigoted society? Mmmm I believe I grew up one generation before you. You know, during the cold war. My hatred of muslim extremists are based on thier actions, not some propaganda.

See the Hamburg cell only has enough people to fly 4 planes not five. That is why they chose the capital not the White House. To maximize casualties.

Of course this plane was dropped by the passengers over coming the hijackers. I know you all will fail to tell anyone this.

It suits your propaganda much better to suggest the US atacked themselves.

Why have surveillance videos of the plane hitting Pentagon never been released? It should have been caught by dozens of cameras, yet only a few seconds of security cam video have been released, where you can only make out an explosion.

You have got to be kidding me. Are you honestly accusing the US of the 9/11 attacks? Ok, that's ridiculous. That's honestly just silly and paranoid. You're acting like a little adolescent boy telling ghost stories, if you seriously think that. Or worse, like the guy who made "Loose Change."

He didn't accuse anyone of anything. But he did make a valid point.

Why the sudden defensiveness, Darkskul?

Misled and brainwashed by a bigoted society? Mmmm I believe I grew up one generation before you. You know, during the cold war.

That does explain your McCarthyist attitude, though. Even if not your hatred of anyone who wears a turban out of season.

It's not unjustified, its reality. I'm just sick of muslims extremist terrorist attacks. Aren't you?

I don't hate muslims, I hate religious extremist terrorists. Muslims just happen to have perfected the idea in current times.

Now I have a question for you Paradox. Given all the sources I've provided, which includes videos of muslim extremists actually stating thier goal, do you believe muslim extremist worldwide are trying to incite the masses of muslims to take onctrol of the nations they live in to slowly inplement shariah law?

Keep in mind you don't have to be a terrorist to be a muslim extremist. Just a religious zealot.

What about videos of western world leaders actually stating thier goal, to violently overthrow governments in 3rd world countires and destabilize the Middle East, to keep oil prices down?

Misled and brainwashed by a bigoted society? Mmmm I believe I grew up one generation before you. You know, during the cold war. My hatred of muslim extremists are based on thier actions, not some propaganda.

you are living in one. a considerably greater one than I am, too. We're getting there though.

Of course this plane was dropped by the passengers over coming the hijackers. I know you all will fail to tell anyone this.

That film was a propaganda flick and nothing more

It suits your propaganda much better to suggest the US atacked themselves.

aaand you've resorted to making shit up. i have never said that.

What about videos of western world leaders actually stating thier goal, to violently overthrow governments in 3rd world countires and destabilize the Middle East, to keep oil prices down?

I've never seen any video like that, maybe they exist. A link would help. And since when does an unstable middle east lower prices?

The effect is the other way around. Prices go up.