Are we raising a generation of brats?

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Something I've been noticing for years. Someone finally laid it all out in writing. Parents held hostage by thier own kids.

Yet they can be so cute.
http://www.dailymail...in_page_id=1773

might be a bit out of context but this part didnt hit home with me:

Do not forget that the law now says that if you strike your own child and leave a mark, you can be arrested for assault. The power to discipline your own children is being eroded irrevocably.

if you have to hit your children so much that you leave marks to disipline them you deserve to get reported for it.

my father was good at being visually angry when we did something bad in my childhood. But the worst thing he ever did was probably just to take us by one elbow and hold it hard, while shaking 2-3 times by every period in his speech. worked like hell that i can recall, and today i would say it was a pretty prudent way of doing it.


on the topic of children being spoiled by scared parents: its their own fault if they think they can get away with no yelling. anger and sadness is emotions that children should learn to recognize, or else they will become psychopaths. if parents doesnt dare to show them they become emotionally handicapped in that direction.

two birds with one stone to do it while teaching them that certain things provoke people. there will most likely always be a few articles about incompetent parents around. that has happened before in the history of man. on a generic scale, childcare has evolved greatly since the beginning of this century. Then children who made a bit of noise while daddy was smoking his pipe and reading his newspaper would cause a beating with the stick. i heavily doubt going back to that kind of therapy will do the young or the old any good. if anything you will get alot of patricides/matricides if that happened now.

Edited by duke_Qa, 14 June 2007 - 08:50 PM.

A certain amount of kids are being raised as brats. Horrific, awful, beastly little children that will grow up selfish, mannerless, and wholly unprepared for a world in which there is not always a win - win situation for them. However, the idea that it's just liberal parents is silly. My parents are extremely liberal, and I have never uttered in my life the words: "I hate you" to them. With all of my liberal parented friends, it's the same story. I love my parents very much. There is simply a quite understanding that I do not attack them in any way, verbally and certainly not physically. My parents have also never hit me. That is also a serious issue, beatings of any kind. My mum was hit by her parents frequently, she never talks to them and they don't get along at all. She doesn't have fond memories of them. My dad's parents rarely hit him and we visit them all them all the time. There's thin middle line, really, that some parents fail to see. You can't make everything a compromise, and you can't be your kids best friend. This will lead to a disrespect and unruliness. On the other hand, you can't very well beat them, this will produce the same results. In my opinion, though I can hardly judge not being a father, you have instill a sense of respect at a young age and make it clearly understood that you are in control at all times, no matter how subtlety. What society it losing is the word "No". I too am disgusted by the younger children I see, smacking their parents, screaming an wailing for hours at the slightest reprimand...

you have instill a sense of respect at a young age and make it clearly understood that you are in control at all times, no matter how subtlety. What society it losing is the word "No". I too am disgusted by the younger children I see, smacking their parents, screaming an wailing for hours at the slightest reprimand...

While I agree that parents have to be responsible for and be able to "control" (if that's the right word) their kids(in the sense that they can't let their 5 year old run around hitting other 5 year olds) I disagree that parents should show that they are in control by default. That's how my dad is and we don't speak anymore, and we live in the same house. The whole idea of respect your elders hacks me off. I respect people that deserve respect. I see no reason why people think parents have that right.

it is a very thin line to balance on. parents can't go around being angry at their children all the time and they can't go around not being angry at times. trying to be a dictator won't work in the long run. anger is for those very few times you do something extremely bad or act as if you are doing something right when doing something wrong. ethics is key.


also, the word liberal in this article can't mean anything but liberal parenting. i somehow doubt that being liberally politically will affect your way of taking care of children.

Oh yeah...my bad.

I personally absolutely believe that one's parents, until they have committed an unforgivable act, especially to an adult son or daughter, should be an object of respect. They brought you into this life, they put up with you for who knows how many years, they paid for your many, many expenses, sacrificed so much freedom, and dedicated more time than a child could ever probably guess to your upbringing, consciously and indirectly. Therefore, I believe they have the right to your respect and having you as their child for so many years, with all the sacrifices, must be brought foremost into the thought path as to if your parents deserve your respect. So unless they beat you or commit some act, such as theft or homicide or something like that (and even then, take the seriousness of the theft into account), your parents should have a place of foremost respect, even without love if that must be.

Well said

I was a little bastard when I was young, doing all sorts of annoying things like pouring skin moisturiser into my dads tropical fish tank... These days my parents like to bring these things up when my friends are around and whenever else they get the chance. I honestly don't remember shit back then, hell, I struggle to remember what I did the day before some times. I do know that a bit later on in life I'd get shouted at and smacked on occasion, oh, and the good ol' guilt trip discussion.

To be honest, education plays a major role too, I went to a fairly good school and was always one of the people who was at least mildly intelligent, and I tried mildly hard too. Over time, I got more enthusiastic about school (though now I'm bored out of my tits with university...), and became the twisted, sarcastic, cynical, bitter and misanthropic hollow parody of a man that I am today!

Anyway, a good beating every once in a while builds character I say! Only thing is, you don't wanna leave marks... Your kid drops daddies snooker cue... pressure points! Pulls a funny face at daddies girlfriend when mummy is at work... pressure points! Takes the piss when daddy comes in home late at night, pissed out of his skull and broke after gambling all his money away, oh and the kid is up past his bedtime... Pressure points! (Though whilst inebriated this may be difficult to achieve in which case "he fell down the stairs")

But seriously... Physical pain is useful, when a kid is shouting and bawling, going berserk, a bit of pain will immediately remind them who is the authority figure. It is natural for them to try and usurp their parents, but the parents need to stay in control and teach them some degree of discipline. That's why I think school uniforms are a good idea, all part of disciplining children and teaching them to become a rusty component in the big decaying machine of society.

When i was young i didn't dare talk back to my parents, not because of them but because of my grandparents. They had no toleration at all for bullshit. And I thank them for that, When you receive discipline you are not really being punish but you are being trained to enter the world. Now i do believe their is a difference between abuse and discipline. If my Girlfriend and I have a child you can guarantee that i will spank him/her, or discipline him/her. Nothing is worse than letting your kid run around so everyone else has to do your job.

Now Regarding that girl, i almost cried myself. I think it was truely nice and i disagree with anyone who thinks that it was bad for her parents to bring her there. As far as i could tell it was nothing like parents bringing in cheerleaders, child models, child dancers. That in my opinion is just sick, singing is much much different in my opinion as it doesn't look forced.

But seriously... Physical pain is useful, when a kid is shouting and bawling, going berserk, a bit of pain will immediately remind them who is the authority figure. It is natural for them to try and usurp their parents, but the parents need to stay in control and teach them some degree of discipline. That's why I think school uniforms are a good idea, all part of disciplining children and teaching them to become a rusty component in the big decaying machine of society.

I agree wiv ya on this part but where I'm from all the parents do is say "I want you back at what ever time, do what ever you want til then but dont bring back the social services" what type of message does that send?

Its why you cant leave anything lying around when you have gone for 2 seconds without it disappearing, coz the kids are that used to getting what they want but i see nothing wrong with a spanking every now and again

I had spankings as a kid but it hasn't done me any harm and I dont hate my parents nor have I said it, but I do think a generation of brats are being raised

Yes, brats and weasels that only care about themselves, but luckily not all are like that.

Chris