obviously it's before the battle of requiem/messiah, but do you think it was after Logos was destroyed?
Kinda wandering for the storyline.
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When did Stargazer Ep 3 occur?
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 02:15 PM
What time do you think Stargazer Ep 3 occured during the GSD timeline?
obviously it's before the battle of requiem/messiah, but do you think it was after Logos was destroyed?
Kinda wandering for the storyline.
obviously it's before the battle of requiem/messiah, but do you think it was after Logos was destroyed?
Kinda wandering for the storyline.
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 02:46 PM
I dont think its after logo's got busted. It wouldn't make sense since Phantom Pain seems to take most of their cues from Logos. Neither do i think its during, cuse it would be more likely PP units are pulled back to help protect Logos members. So that leaves before Logos got 'revealed', and that would fit with the scene in the second ep, where they talk about attacking the DSSD station right after the Destroy in europe part.
Best guess, right around operation angel down or whatever is it they called the 'killing AA and freedom' mission.
Best guess, right around operation angel down or whatever is it they called the 'killing AA and freedom' mission.
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 03:22 PM
*puts thumb to lips, L style*
Perfect.
And, do you think when PP got ahold of the AI Data that they would've immediately sent it somewhere? I mean keeping it on a ship in battle seems idiotic, passing it on would be the logical thing to do.
Perfect.
And, do you think when PP got ahold of the AI Data that they would've immediately sent it somewhere? I mean keeping it on a ship in battle seems idiotic, passing it on would be the logical thing to do.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 06:00 AM
Here's the problem, PP really underestimated the DSSD's battle capabilities, also, where would they send the AI off to? it's not like they had support ships in the back.
They didnt really get the AI Data as much as the AI itself, which I am wondering, did they take the prototype?only one made aka. "Stargazer"? would've sucked if they had to rebuild a new one from scratch.
I do agree though, it probably took place around the same time when as Operation Angel Down, or at least somewhere between the Destroy battle and Athrun's escape.
They didnt really get the AI Data as much as the AI itself, which I am wondering, did they take the prototype?only one made aka. "Stargazer"? would've sucked if they had to rebuild a new one from scratch.
I do agree though, it probably took place around the same time when as Operation Angel Down, or at least somewhere between the Destroy battle and Athrun's escape.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 07:29 AM
They could've transmitted it to a base or other ship, it's not like their transmitters are low quality, I would think on a state of the art ship like that, they could transmit pretty far.
But anyway, I just got a random thought of somehow incorporating some type of AI or support AI into the story, and it actually seemed quite nice, it can work without the stargazer ai thing, but it would add abit to it I think.
But anyway, I just got a random thought of somehow incorporating some type of AI or support AI into the story, and it actually seemed quite nice, it can work without the stargazer ai thing, but it would add abit to it I think.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 08:26 AM
That sounds like a good idea. Oh btw...what DSSD AI are you talking about? its only in Stargazer itself for all i know, and it doesnt work in the same manner as lowe's '8'. Its not even actually an AI yet, more like an artificial learner. So there's nothing to send really, since you're only sending out the basic learning structure as well as the AI's experiences and data up to that point. Also, as for sending it out once aquired, that implies that they feel a Girty Lue class ship will be destroyed by a bunch of scientists, cuse they are not going to send out the info when it could be intercepted by enemy forces. Encrypting the data to send is not an option, it would take longer than the battle. Sending it out by courier is also not a good idea, same interception problems. In spec op missions, when obtaining data, it is always physically removed, never transmitted. Even if the enemy isnt intercepting anything he doesnt already know, withholding details of what exactly had been stolen is impt too.
Or did i get what you guys were refering to wrong?
Or did i get what you guys were refering to wrong?
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 08:31 AM
nah, you got it right.
it just seems... reckless.
At that point EaF had lost every single major confrantation to ZAFT, so their forces would be few and they wouldn't have much resources left and with something as valuable as the ground works for a learning AI, you would want to take precaurtions for anything that happens?
once again, it's just curiousity on my part.
it just seems... reckless.
At that point EaF had lost every single major confrantation to ZAFT, so their forces would be few and they wouldn't have much resources left and with something as valuable as the ground works for a learning AI, you would want to take precaurtions for anything that happens?
once again, it's just curiousity on my part.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 06:03 PM
Again lets be carefull how we use that EAF, in destiny the only member of the EAF to directly fight Zaft was the Atlantic Federation. Both Eurasia, and Republic of East asia suffered minimal losses.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:24 AM
South America pretty much got out of the EAF too thanks to a certain hero we've come to know as 'Ed the Ripper'
And true, they basically physically stole the AI unit, and probably dont have the equippment neccessary to actually extracy or even copy the data. so there goes any chance of sending the data to somewhere else.
And true, they basically physically stole the AI unit, and probably dont have the equippment neccessary to actually extracy or even copy the data. so there goes any chance of sending the data to somewhere else.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 05:51 AM
tell me, what would you guys think of a dragoon system, but one that doesn't control bits but mobile suits themselves? obviously with support AI to help them though.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:06 AM
like mobile dolls from wing right? I think you should give it the Legacy as an upgrade in ur GSD version. in any case that would - no... will be cool.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 06:15 AM
like mobile dolls from wing right? I think you should give it the Legacy as an upgrade in ur GSD version. in any case that would - no... will be cool.
Mobile Dolls had that one girl kinda controlling them didn't they?
If so, then yea, it's something like that.
obviously it wouldn't be on a huge scale, maybe 2 or 3 mobile suits would be controlled by one.
It comes from an idea me and infinite had yonks ago, about a certain somebody who's given a certain something which makes then something.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:01 AM
That sounds interesting SG we should talk about this one, I find the mobile dolls the one cool part of wing. The whole de-humanization of war was one of the ideas I liked best in all of gundam. So basically your thinking like how Zechs used those 3 virgos with the epyon, basically as MS/Dragoons.
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That sounds interesting SG we should talk about this one, I find the mobile dolls the one cool part of wing. The whole de-humanization of war was one of the ideas I liked best in all of gundam. So basically your thinking like how Zechs used those 3 virgos with the epyon, basically as MS/Dragoons.
exactly, and i'll pm you my whole idea.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:57 AM
I just remebered something. The mobile dolls has a main camara so the computer can make decisions based on what the individual unit can see. But here is the twist. If someone like Kira decides to blow its head off, then that unit will use the main MS/other MDs to make decisions based on that unit's point view, If the MD loses multiple/single limbs or systems it loses 10% (depending on the damage) of its combat effienciency
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 04:17 PM
It occurs to me that there's no reason either for a capital ship not to use dragoon units. Theres another thought.
As for MDolls, i think it'll be a great idea. I had an idea about that, a specifically designed squad of one MS and 2 or more MDolls. Built so that they perfectly compliment each other, instead of the way Epyon just conveniently had virgos. I have no idea how such a squad would be designed as as of yet tho.
As for MDolls, i think it'll be a great idea. I had an idea about that, a specifically designed squad of one MS and 2 or more MDolls. Built so that they perfectly compliment each other, instead of the way Epyon just conveniently had virgos. I have no idea how such a squad would be designed as as of yet tho.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 04:18 PM
It occurs to me that there's no reason either for a capital ship not to use dragoon units. Theres another thought.
As for MDolls, i think it'll be a great idea. I had an idea about that, a specifically designed squad of one MS and 2 or more MDolls. Built so that they perfectly compliment each other, instead of the way Epyon just conveniently had virgos. I have no idea how such a squad would be designed as as of yet tho.
As for MDolls, i think it'll be a great idea. I had an idea about that, a specifically designed squad of one MS and 2 or more MDolls. Built so that they perfectly compliment each other, instead of the way Epyon just conveniently had virgos. I have no idea how such a squad would be designed as as of yet tho.
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:36 PM
posted twice, computer lag? 
yea that would make the capital ship more stronger in terms of anti MS combat.
It occurs to me that there's no reason either for a capital ship not to use dragoon units.
yea that would make the capital ship more stronger in terms of anti MS combat.
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Posted 06 January 2008 - 04:21 AM
Hmm Wouldn't the AI have to be very advanced for the Dragoon MS system to work? Let's face it, the typical dragoons we've seen just fly around and shoot. MS have much more complex movements and actions, and would be way too hard to make it go down to the basic commands like 'move and shoot'
It just occured to me, why didnt they ahve remote controlled MS? Wouldn't that decrease the number of casualties? and with that your Ace pilots will always stay alive.
But I guess nuclear jamming has long range transmissions pretty much wiped out, along with the fact that all Unmanned armies fighting it out wouldn't seem very Gundam like. that and the sheer amount of differing frequencies might be a mess, especially when your opponents might end up accidentally be using the same frequencies ur using, then there'd be a huge mess...........
not a particularly good idea, just food for thought I guess.
It just occured to me, why didnt they ahve remote controlled MS? Wouldn't that decrease the number of casualties? and with that your Ace pilots will always stay alive.
But I guess nuclear jamming has long range transmissions pretty much wiped out, along with the fact that all Unmanned armies fighting it out wouldn't seem very Gundam like. that and the sheer amount of differing frequencies might be a mess, especially when your opponents might end up accidentally be using the same frequencies ur using, then there'd be a huge mess...........
not a particularly good idea, just food for thought I guess.
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