A theory: Arda = Earth?
#21
Posted 18 July 2008 - 04:16 AM
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#22
Posted 18 July 2008 - 11:29 AM
#25
Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:59 PM
actually in all of tolkiens writings he intended to create a truly english prehistoric history with tol edressa the lonely isle being brough from itsplace outside of space and time back into the world to give a home to the remaining noldo that had been enslaved by melko (paraphrased from the book of lost tales 1) tol edressa would later become england where the descendants of the gnomes (another name for noldor) and heros of men desceted from earendil would grow. in this early draft it would seem that the noldor had lost the immortality or at least there children at some point did with the gnomes becoming but a legend. throughout his life his story was constantly changing an example being that in the fall of gondolin (origional) there were over 21 confirmed dead balrogs yet he would later write that in truth there were only ever 7 to begin with. in these early writings you see that it is the son of ingwe who brings tol edressa back into the real world to reclaim his kin and the elves of the noldor were actually enslaved by melkor instead of rising up to fight him. in later drafts ingwe would become a high king of the vanyar and thus his son would have no true kin in middle earth in the first place. to end this drabbles when tolkiens world was first created in 1917 or so he was writing an english prehistory which had many allegories to the real world because he was writing a myth about the real world. however it later became a pure fnatasy world that he revised almost constantly until the time of his death
Holy...that post is six sentences.
EDIT: Technically, that is.
Edited by mike_, 19 July 2008 - 07:09 PM.
#26
Posted 19 July 2008 - 07:02 PM
Edited by Puppeteer, 19 July 2008 - 07:03 PM.
#27
Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:03 PM
#28
Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:30 PM
#29
Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:45 PM
in the book of lost tales he equates tol eddressa into england and middle earth becomes western europe over the passage of time, with the gnomes having brough tol eddressa back into the world in an effort to free there kin enslaved by melkor.
it was in the 1930s that tolkiens world as we know it began to take form. alot of the complex myth structure was stripped away and all real world counterparts were denied, it was with the publishing of the hobbit that tolkiens english prehistory turned from his attempt at writing a myth, to the founding of the high fantasy genre of fiction
it can be said that tolkien was inspired by beowulf and other ancient legends however the lord of the rings is uniquely english, it introduces many new concepts to society and has arguably shaped modern fiction.
you cannot just say it is based on norse mythology, indeed it borrows portions but alot more of it is based on the survive rhymes and lyrics that had been the few survivors of englands cultural destruction a thousand years earlier
Edited by Annullus The Grey, 20 July 2008 - 10:49 PM.
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#31
Posted 21 July 2008 - 10:28 AM
Edited by Vithar Megilaglar, 21 July 2008 - 10:29 AM.
#32
Posted 21 July 2008 - 01:30 PM
#33
Posted 21 July 2008 - 01:36 PM
I think Mithlond and Lindon are Norway. The Iberian Peninsula is far too southern ;P it might be west of Dol Amroth, I believe there was an Elven harbor there sometime in the LotR history. Makes sense, the Portuguese are good sailors.
#34
Posted 21 July 2008 - 07:11 PM
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#35
Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:43 PM
@Xingdao Fan: You may well be right, but, rather than an elven port, maybe Umbar-ish area. It was a port of the Black Numenoreans.
#36
Posted 23 July 2008 - 05:07 AM
#37
Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:37 AM
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#38
Posted 23 July 2008 - 05:15 PM
For the sake of saying it, how many of you guys know that Tokein hated Shakespeare?
And he also sadi something about drama not being a form of writing.
#39
Posted 23 July 2008 - 08:35 PM
For the sake of saying it, how many of you guys know that Tokein hated Shakespeare?
And he also sadi something about drama not being a form of writing.
really? I didn't know that!
where did you get it from?
Edited by tomy, 23 July 2008 - 08:36 PM.
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What brought they from the foundered land
over the flowing sea?
Seven stars and seven stones
and one white tree.'
#40
Posted 23 July 2008 - 09:57 PM
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