Every now and then i have a thought that changes the way i think. The first was back in high school when i realised that other people don't think.
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A few days ago i was thinking about jobs and freedom, i thought of this:
Going to work everyday to sell my time and effort to survive dose not feel like freedom, it feels like unseen slavery.
I continue to think...
Thinking of Freedom
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, Dec 03 2003 08:22 PM
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 11:14 PM
Haha, I've argued this to my parents before when they get upset with me for something school/work related
Why should I worry about doing so well on ::insert something:: so that I can get a 'good' job? Why the hell should I spend the latter half of my life working to improve a world that I won't even be alive to see! I'd much rather join the military, or choose a career with immediate results (I've always been one who needs-- almost requires-- short term satisfaction for me to do something... I just can't stand looking years ahead)
Then they point out "what about your kids? you don't care what world they'll live in?" and I get stumped... but I still hold my ground
Why should I worry about doing so well on ::insert something:: so that I can get a 'good' job? Why the hell should I spend the latter half of my life working to improve a world that I won't even be alive to see! I'd much rather join the military, or choose a career with immediate results (I've always been one who needs-- almost requires-- short term satisfaction for me to do something... I just can't stand looking years ahead)
Then they point out "what about your kids? you don't care what world they'll live in?" and I get stumped... but I still hold my ground
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 11:20 PM
The idea of your unseen slavery, it so allow you to have freedom later. It's for when you retire, and can do whatever you want. Besides, it isn't slavery, you are paid. Slavery requires that the person who is enslaved is not paid, and they are fed and housed by their master.
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 11:36 PM
MuDsHoVeLeR,
I wish to improve the world, but only if the world is willing. I try not to ask anyone to do anything, only hope thay will chose to do it.
*looks at Daz and Mastermind as perfect exampels*
I hope to have kids one day to continue my ideals.
mastermind2004,
Slavery is often concidered as 'black slaves working for there white master on the cotton fields'. What i talk of is modern slavery.
I see people going into there slavery everyday to earn there food.
The slavery is there regular job
The food is not just eaten, but used in the form of objects, like TVs.
The master is the in-build want to conform to society.
Modern Unseen Slavery.
It all depends on how you look at your own freedom.
I wish to improve the world, but only if the world is willing. I try not to ask anyone to do anything, only hope thay will chose to do it.
*looks at Daz and Mastermind as perfect exampels*
I hope to have kids one day to continue my ideals.
mastermind2004,
Slavery is often concidered as 'black slaves working for there white master on the cotton fields'. What i talk of is modern slavery.
I see people going into there slavery everyday to earn there food.
The slavery is there regular job
The food is not just eaten, but used in the form of objects, like TVs.
The master is the in-build want to conform to society.
Modern Unseen Slavery.
It all depends on how you look at your own freedom.
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 11:44 PM
Seems like a reasonable position to me, but I see the unseen slavery as a means to satisfy the basic human needs, and provide for your own freedom later. You are essentially slowly purchasing your own freedom (retirement). I'm basing my other comments on the dictionary definition of slavery, not the contextual meaning.
*Wonders what Detail meant in his example...
:uh:
*Wonders what Detail meant in his example...
:uh:
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 11:58 PM
*Wounders which exampel*
The "slaves working for there white master on the cotton fields" seems to be what most people picture of slavery, others think of it as the Egyptions workers or the British empires Indian slaves.
The "people going into there slavery everyday to earn there food" is what i see around me. Like drones in an ant farm or bee hive.
This might just be my own deep hate for the drone/borg.
The "slaves working for there white master on the cotton fields" seems to be what most people picture of slavery, others think of it as the Egyptions workers or the British empires Indian slaves.
The "people going into there slavery everyday to earn there food" is what i see around me. Like drones in an ant farm or bee hive.
This might just be my own deep hate for the drone/borg.
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Posted 04 December 2003 - 12:14 AM
*means Mastermind example
I dunno, I don't see it as true slavery, since you are compensated, and you're working for yourself/your family, so it is for your own benefit. Besides, people have to do something, to be able to participate in society and provide for the common good.
I dunno, I don't see it as true slavery, since you are compensated, and you're working for yourself/your family, so it is for your own benefit. Besides, people have to do something, to be able to participate in society and provide for the common good.
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Posted 04 December 2003 - 12:33 AM
- if you're pointing it out, it's no longer 'unseen' is it?
-if you think THIS is slavery, there are people in africa (and throughout the world for that matter) bought and sold every day. There's an online magazine called Colors put out by this art company (www.fabrica.it) and they had an entire feature on modern slavery here
I'd think it's rather disrespectful comparing our lives and all we're lucky enough to have (or have worked so hard to earn) to someone who is TREATED like the objects we own.
-And I believe it was the philosopher Thomas Hobbes who proposed the idea that in order to live in an organized and productive society we must enter a 'social contract' and give up some basic liberties to secure other more important ones. Not only that, but in my view, we also must work to keep the society going so we don't crumble into anarchy. If we didn't work the way we do, we'd end up like Sierra Leone or some other war-torn underdeveloped country
-if you think THIS is slavery, there are people in africa (and throughout the world for that matter) bought and sold every day. There's an online magazine called Colors put out by this art company (www.fabrica.it) and they had an entire feature on modern slavery here
I'd think it's rather disrespectful comparing our lives and all we're lucky enough to have (or have worked so hard to earn) to someone who is TREATED like the objects we own.
-And I believe it was the philosopher Thomas Hobbes who proposed the idea that in order to live in an organized and productive society we must enter a 'social contract' and give up some basic liberties to secure other more important ones. Not only that, but in my view, we also must work to keep the society going so we don't crumble into anarchy. If we didn't work the way we do, we'd end up like Sierra Leone or some other war-torn underdeveloped country
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Posted 04 December 2003 - 04:39 AM
lol... I want to be free now... not when I retire. I won't be able to skate then!The idea of your unseen slavery, it so allow you to have freedom later. It's for when you retire, and can do whatever you want. Besides, it isn't slavery, you are paid. Slavery requires that the person who is enslaved is not paid, and they are fed and housed by their master.
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Posted 04 December 2003 - 11:46 AM
mastermind2004,
If the world was full of people who chose what job thay did no-one would work.
You and Daz chose to do things here at Ori, so it's not work, it's just a job.
If everyone could live off there hobbys the world would be diffrent.
MuDsHoVeLeR,
- m'kay
- Call this modern slavery of time and effort then.
- Now that we are developed we should revive freedom.
If the world was full of people who chose what job thay did no-one would work.
You and Daz chose to do things here at Ori, so it's not work, it's just a job.
If everyone could live off there hobbys the world would be diffrent.
MuDsHoVeLeR,
- m'kay
- Call this modern slavery of time and effort then.
- Now that we are developed we should revive freedom.
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Posted 04 December 2003 - 04:53 PM
Indeed it would. I'm planning to live off of a hobby (game design 
). Also, you work to allow you to pursue your hobbies ($$$).
). Also, you work to allow you to pursue your hobbies ($$$).
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Posted 31 December 2003 - 06:27 AM
Its all well and good that you can say that we are 'enslaved' by society but perhaps instead of being negative and attempting to point out foibles (not sure how its spelt) you should be positive and suggest a different way of operating things.
Just remember that your ideas vs. society is similar to Communism vs. Capitolism.
Just remember that your ideas vs. society is similar to Communism vs. Capitolism.
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Posted 01 January 2004 - 08:49 AM
you HAVE a choice to not work, you're not forced into it, so it's not slavery, if you want to feel good, get a job you like
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Posted 13 January 2004 - 02:14 PM
See If I had a job it would be with games, and I would do this cuz of fun, people today work just to get money to survive and jobs have become more of a bad thing, not fun. Although you dont want the gov. doing every thing for you, that I believ would be communism.
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 10:45 AM
easier than it sounds, remember getting the job means the interview.
anyway theres a war comming soon so u might be able to do something useful then.
anyway theres a war comming soon so u might be able to do something useful then.
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Posted 13 January 2004 - 07:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the IDEA of communism is that everybody has an equal share in everything, and the government has little to no intervention... you're right though, that's how communism always has ended up.
And HighGround is right, there is a bigger war coming up, it's happened every century for at least the past view (I'll post the dates and names later, there's been a pattern, just need to find the sheet). Personally I can't wait, my goal is to get into West Point, if not that then the year of prep school they can send you to before attending, and if push comes to shove I'll probably attend a 4-year then enlist. Either way, I'm going Special Forces, and I'm serving my country
And HighGround is right, there is a bigger war coming up, it's happened every century for at least the past view (I'll post the dates and names later, there's been a pattern, just need to find the sheet). Personally I can't wait, my goal is to get into West Point, if not that then the year of prep school they can send you to before attending, and if push comes to shove I'll probably attend a 4-year then enlist. Either way, I'm going Special Forces, and I'm serving my country
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Posted 13 January 2004 - 11:34 PM
In a report with dire implications for the intellectual future of America, a University of Chicago study revealed Monday that the nation's uneducated are breeding twice as soon and twice as often as those with university diplomas. "The average member of the American underclass spawns at age 15, compared to age 30 for the average college-educated professional," study leader Kenneth Stalls said. "America's intellectual elite, as a result, is badly losing the genetic marathon, with two generations of dullards born for every one generation of cultured literates." Added Stalls: "At this rate, by the year 2100 there will be five smart people on Earth, swallowed whole by more than 12 billion mouth-breathers incapable of understanding the binary exponentiation that swamped the Earth with their like." High-school dropout Mandi Drucker, 16, said of the findings, "All I know is, we're in love."
With all the anti-war demonstrations + nukes, i doubt there will be many infantery used in this war. All or nothing.
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Posted 14 January 2004 - 12:00 AM
No way man, you can't wage a war without infantry. You can launch as many missiles as you want at a nation, but if all their troops are seizing your weapons and bases, that won't be too handy. Any war historian will tell you that the infantry will always necessary to win a war.
haha but that's an interesting quote. I like how they generalize and say 'smart' =P
haha but that's an interesting quote. I like how they generalize and say 'smart' =P
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Posted 14 January 2004 - 12:11 AM
Right indeed. If you want to take or hold ground, you need the infantry. I do see how that quote does show the state of humanity. Within 50 to 100 years, we will most likely reach the maximum carrying capacity of the earth, which will bring on famine, and reduce the population to a reasonable size. Current estimates put that at around 7 billion people, with the peak sometime in the next 50 years at around 9 billion.
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