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#1 Pasidon

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 01:41 PM

Oh, shoot.  You were sitting peacefully in your midtown nightclub with a cup of lax designer coffee, and all of a sudden your city is threatened by hundreds of bombs, picky assassins, very well groomed drug dealers, and earthquake machines.  This either means you need a hero with a bow, or one just came into town.

 

Welcome to Starling City.  Where it only takes 5-9 months to become a master of crime fighting, and where criminals have the ability to destroy half a city, but always fail because of theatrical panning.  Oliver Queen can save us.  He spent 5 years stranded on a deserted island that actually wasn't deserted, and where he didn't actually spend 5 years on.  But it turned out he was a master archer the first year he was there, so the other 4 years are just filler.  Now he's back at home with his disgustingly thin family, and ready to kick some bad guys right in their arrow holes.

 

In reality, the city didn't really have a crime problem until Oliver got into town.  Oh well.  He gets back from his desert island, and suddenly, a guy in a Peter Pan cosplay one'sie appears and starts fighting crime.  And no one suspects Oliver is the Arrow.  Well... sure.  We'll ignore that plot hole.  So he moves along this thing we call life, brooding about the girl that died in the boat accident with him.  But she didn't really die. But she did.  And Oliver's sister gets forced to do years of community service with Oliver's ex-girlfriend, but she just sort of stops doing it mid-season.  And she's a crime fighter now too.  Oh, and Oliver's ex girlfriend.  She fights crime now too.  And that girl that died on the boat?  She's back too, and she also fights crime now because she undied.  Oh, and Oliver's sister's boyfriend.  He also fights crime now too.  In fact, the only main characters that aren't super heroes in this show is the highly decorated cop and the Afghanistan war veteran.

 

A show where people refuse to die, and when someone actually gets killed, we have to reflect on it for several episodes.  This series is like being held hostage by the Geneva Convention, but they keep forgetting the moral dilemmas they have already covered in the past 3 years.  It's like car explosion porn.  Military jargon audio books.  My Little Pony, except with grown men and women from the University of Southern Florida.  The show likes finding good ideas and turning them into pep talks and Mexican soap operas.

 

On a final note, The Flash is made by the exact same people and the two shows often join forces to avoid catching criminals until the last minute together. Actually, I would like to prove to you that Arrow and The Flash are exactly the same show.

 

ARROW                                                                                                                          FLASH

Oliver loses a dad and turns into super hero after a tragic 5 year event                        Barry loses a mom and turns into a super hero after a tragic 1 year coma

Oliver is helped by a nerdy white woman and a black token                                          Barry is helped by a nerdy white woman and a Mexican token

Oliver is in love with a cop's daughter, and works with her in secret                              Barry is in love with a cop's daughter and works with her in secret

Oliver spends the entire first season finding the man who killed his father                    Barry spends the entire first season finding the man who killed his mother

Oliver kills the man who killed his dad, but the guy actually didn't die                            Barry gets rid of the guy who killed his mother, but he's not actually gone

Oliver's sister is actually related to the guy that killed their dad                                      Barry's sister's boyfriend is actually related to the guy that killed Barry's mom



#2 Elric

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 03:20 PM

"Oliver is in love with a cop's daughter, and works with her in secret" is false if you watch the latest season. I typically laugh at your stuff but I love the Arrow Universe so IDK what to think of this.



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:26 PM

Erm... you may have spoiled something for me.  Still watching the rest of the last season.  But really, I enjoyed the first season.  After that, the show began to just forget good, solid plot points.  Like Oliver's sister being like family to Lance's daughter after they lost Sarah.  Or the great / suspenseful relationship between detective Lance and Oliver.  Those two haven't even been in the same scene for several episodes.  And worst of all, bringing Sarah back.  Twice.  She was such a bad character.  Sacrificing her to bring tension was a great device, and that was given up just for a few short bursts of drama.  Like her and Detective Lance having dinner... nice scene, but it ruined his character.  Him being a distraught cop with social disorders was the great appeal.  It was the point.  Without those flaws, he's just... mundane.  "Hey, Arrow.  How can we help?"  That's his role recently.  A middle-man without much of a purpose.  

 

And Roy.  Good... gravy... he's terrible.  His back story is basically: 1. He grew up poor.  2. He stole a purse.  Great, dynamic backstory.  Now let's make him Oliver's sidekick!  No... the writers attached themselves to the character too much.  His dialogue is uninteresting and his role is forced.  Bad writing.

 

Also... Felicity.  What a great character.  Oliver falling in love with her?  Holy heck... that is absolutely retarded.  She is treated solely as comedic relief throughout the first 2 seasons, and all of a sudden, she's the hunk of meat in Oliver's love cross-hairs????  Now she's losing her charm as that funny IT nerd and becoming just another morality tossing sex monkey. Bad, writers.  Bad, bad, bad.  

 

And John barely has much of a role now, other than "dad man."  And Malcolm coming back was stupid, and yet, the great plot they had in mind for him was just confused in a sticky web of more moral choice dribble.  The writers need to stop with the whole moral choice bull fart nonsense, because I'm starting to get bored of it.  We get it... killing bad.  Blah, blah, blah... can we get on with the show yet?  

 

But the worst writing in it thus far... the flashbacks.  The old Chinese man with some weird military presence on the island was great.  But the whole story with Shadow was...  GUHHHH... it hurts.  It's so bad.  Slade and Shadow barely had a scene together, and her dying made him Oliver's arch nemesis?   It wasn't even Oliver's fault that she died.  REMOTELY.  It's so stupid... They bring Deathstroke into the show, and ruined his character with this nonsense love triangle that barely had two sides to it in the first place?  BAD.  Oliver and Sarah meeting up again on the island, only for her to disappear again?  BAD.  This Hong Kong crap that isn't giving us any plot, and is just plain boring?  BAD.  And I just watched Oliver get stabbed in the lungs and dropped off a 50 foot cliff... how can you justify this writing, son?  They have long, drawn out, boring plot points to explain why Oliver speaks Chinese, but they can't take 10 minutes to explain how a mortal man survived being dropped off a 200 meter cliff after being stabbed?  Do these people not know of the terrible truth behind gravity and jagged crags?

 

The writers are just making things up as they go, you know.  None of this was written when they made the great pilot episode.  And if they somehow did, shame on them.  It's getting so bad, the only way to cure this series is to just... wipe everyone off the slate.  Start again.. or something... because this show is becoming unbearable, and it's actually a shame.  There you go.  Now you know what to think of this.  I dare you to justify any of these plot points.  I don't think it's possible.  Dare to dream, son.



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Posted 06 October 2015 - 07:52 PM

It's a fictional universe. Do any amount of research and you know exactly why he was able to survive the drop + Ancient Chinese Medicine come on mate. The plots although unoriginal to some extents are still classics and they portray them well. Roy is a fantastic character, I agree his backstory is a bit bland but overall as a character he is great.

 

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If you have any feelings with a character then you would understand precisely what the Olicity thing means and is, plus they had been hinting at it since the beginning.

The backstory has a plot, so, I don't know what you mean by it not having one.

 

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You mostly just have to keep in mind that this is a fictional universe so obviously they can play with believability.



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 12:35 AM

That's a bit of a cheep excuse.  Every TV show is a work of fiction, but that doesn't give any authority to allowing so many plot holes.  One is supposed to be enveloped in the universe, not questioning so many large details like I am.  I don't want to question these things, you see.  But when silly things happen, like every single character in the show becomes a super hero, I begin to question if the writing is becoming to comfortable with how fictional this universe actually is.  There are no longer any characters grounded to reality, and the appeal suffers as a result.

 

And did you seriously say...Olicity?  Please tell me that's not a real thing people say, because it's so stupid.  In fact, it tells me that the writing is being held hostage by the fanbase.  I know how these things work.  I know people love Felicity, so the writers decided to give people what they think they want and let Oliver and her fall in love.  It is appalling, not appealing.  She was not originally written in as a love interest.  There were no cues even hinting toward this.  That's not even writing... it's fan servicing.  Garbage.  Don't believe their lies.  



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 02:49 AM

If ya dont like it then dont watch it then. Bashing on shows that other people fall in love with just feels/is sick IMO.



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 03:22 AM

Wat.  Do you not know what I do?  The problem is, I want to like the show as well, but it's not letting me.



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 09:05 AM

If ya dont like it then dont watch it then. Bashing on shows that other people fall in love with just feels/is sick IMO.

Yeah Pasidon! You're not allowed to criticize things other people like!

 

It's sick.


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 09:19 AM

The hammer becomes harsh when it's smashing something we cherish.  Like those people who defended The Hobbit movies in my past posts. The shame...



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:07 PM

I didn't say he wasn't allowed to I just stated that in my opinion it is unneeded. he can have whatever opinion he likes lol



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Posted 07 October 2015 - 05:52 PM

Well, calling it sick definitely implies it's wrong for him to have that opinion, from which it can be reasonably deduced that he shouldn't.


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Posted 07 October 2015 - 09:52 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I'm enjoying the final few episodes of season 3 a 1000x's more than the start of the season.  I like how they took my advice and started purging, pretty much everyone from the show.






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