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#1 PurpleGaga27

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:06 PM

From today's news articles, it appears that the term of WWIII is trending in Twitter after what happened to Turkey that shot down a Russian warplane for apparently no reason, and now that Russian President Putin thought it was the terrorists who shot down the plane. But after since the Russian passsenger plane was bombed down in Egypt and the Paris attacks, why call in this, not especially when anyone would call that act a "stab in the back".

 

I hate to think what would happen if WWIII breaks out between the world vs terrorists vs Russia and/or North Korea.

 

If C&C Generals were to become reality, China must be involved in that too.

 

What do you think? Will it likely happen?


Edited by zocom7, 24 November 2015 - 09:08 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:24 PM

I doubt that Turkey shooting down a Russian plane would get us WW3, the economy is still too entangled for any party to go that far. The shadow war might escalate a bit though, some snub from Russia towards Turkey.

 

At worst, I'd guess they might agree to bomb whomever they find is in their way in Syria, be it Turkish tanks protecting their favorite rebels against Russian-supported Assad soldiers, or American spec-ops vs Iranian and the likes, while diplomacy continues as it is today.

 

Syria is a mess though, a proxy war between the west and the regime's allies. When you add Saudi Arabia and China into the mix (fortunately not heard of any Chinese interference yet, which would be eyebrow raisening) things will get worse before it gets better.

 

Edit: found the snub, Putin tells his tourists to avoid Turkey. that's 4.5 million tourists per year, which leaves behind a pretty penny. So that's one way to retaliate.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:29 PM

I heard that China declared war on Isis after their prisoners' executions?


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:58 PM

No, WW3 is not imminent.

 

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 08:10 PM

This mess in the world cannot be properly compared to any sort of conventional warfare, let alone WWIII. First and foremost, this pisses me off when people keep trowing around the "W" word in relation to ISIS. A huge majority of my dumb and ignorant peers have now rallied their virtual picket signs on various internet media sites saying that we need to go to War. You can't wage War on a concept. Terrorism is a concept and an action of radical extremists, it is not tied or related to any specific group of people, and it is not tied or related directly to any religion. 

 

ISIS is a group of Radical Extremists. The idea that countries can wage "war" on ISIS is just a media ploy. 

 

As for the other stuff happening in relation to other countries, I cannot say for sure. All that I do know is that North Korea would most likely play no part in what is considered a World War. North Korea only has the capability to compete with the South. Their Navy and Air forces are a complete joke, and all they have to their benefit is a large Army and good Special Forces. In this modern time, an Army alone would not be of much use against a large and advanced foe. Just look at how fast Iraq fell during Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Even in the occasion that North Korea decided to attack the south, and the UN would join in to defend the south as per treaty, I doubt any countries would be willing to back up North Korea anyway. China being their biggest and closest ally mostly just "deal" with them. North Korea offers no significant economical benefit to China, and if the decision came down to China to abandon them and retain their economical monopoly, or back them up and both sever economical ties to a bunch of the world's super-powers as well as wage war on them.. I doubt China would even bother to assist North Korea should they decide to wage a pointless and futile war.

 

The world is in a state of disarray yes, but I don't think any of these seemingly huge events that the media inflates are nearly significant enough to tilt the scale enough for the larger countries to wage war. It would take a very significant event for a full scale war to break out.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:04 PM

Terrorism is a concept and an action of radical extremists, it is not tied or related to any specific group of people, and it is not tied or related directly to any religion

In the case of ISIS? Not so sure about that. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single ISIS member who does not identify as a muslim. :p It's a tempting bit of cognitive dissonance: you're claiming that it's carried about by radical extremists, but also saying it's never tied or related directly to any religion...

 

If that's the case, what is the basis or origin of the belief that ISIS spreads with such extremism if not the religion that is Islam? If it's never tied to a religion, what then is the belief that they are taking to these extremes? Their interpretation of Islam, radical/political/terrorist as it may be, is taken straight from the Qu'ran. That's what makes them fundamentalist; literal interpretations of their holy texts. They are literally saying every single day that they are committing their acts in the name of Islam. They rigorously apply Islamic law, they rape and sell children as bounty exactly like the Qu'ran allows. Everything public expression they make is explicitly related to Islam. Now, I get that it's comforting and easier to just say 'nope, they aren't muslims' and look the other way, but that's not going to solve anything. 

 

No, that doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists, or that all Islamist terrorism is motivated solely by Islam. But I like calling a spade a spade, especially if that spade is responsible for caving in the skulls of thousands of innocent people. There is an obvious problem with Islam if it is so very easy for dozens of terrorist groups to commit heinous acts in its name, all across the globe.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:04 PM

I heard that China declared war on Isis after their prisoners' executions?

 

It never really happened because then otherwise China needs to be spend tons of money to fund a short-term war against terrorism. Besides China hasn't been involved in a war ever since the Korean War and WWII (and not to mention Vietnam War).

 

 

@Kwen, religious issues before and after 9/11 had been the global issue of politics and not even the current Pope and the Vatican can do anything to resolve that.


Edited by zocom7, 24 November 2015 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 10:16 PM

In the case of ISIS? Not so sure about that. You'd be hard-pressed to find a single ISIS member who does not identify as a muslim.

The reasoning for that is quite simple. They consider themselves to have the only true beliefs, and all who disagree with them are heretics who need to either be forcefully converted ASAP or killed on sight. Not the first time, not the last time.
 

If that's the case, what is the basis or origin of the belief that ISIS spreads with such extremism if not the religion that is Islam?

Any religion can be twisted like this. Remember the Crusades and the Inquisition? They also hindered all logic and progress, though Catholicism has progressed a lot since then, especially in the last few decades (the Crusades are taught to be historical mistakes of Christianity among Catholics, just sayin'). Also, the main motives for the Crusades weren't pious, but more political, which may also be happening with ISIS

 

If it's never tied to a religion, what then is the belief that they are taking to these extremes?

Tying to a religion is the easiest way of attracting massive numbers of people, especially from rural parts and un(der)educated people in general (though education is no guarantee extremist ideas won't come to one's mind).

 

ISIS' leaders may not even believe their drivel, they might just be using it as recruitment methods and target marking.
 

Their interpretation of Islam, radical/political/terrorist as it may be, is taken straight from the Qu'ran. (...) they rape and sell children as bounty exactly like the Qu'ran allows.

Give me some sources (that aren't from sites run by atheists who hypocritically hate everyone and everything who isn't with them)...

Don't know much about the Qu'ran itself myself, but as an example, I once again take Catholicism, which de facto doesn't take Leviticus (from the Old Testament) as a thing (I cringe every time anyone quotes it). It's surpassed by the New Testament's teachings. Hence, as you said, interpretation is key. The right interpretation leads to right beliefs (and right beliefs are those that aren't destructive).

 

No, that doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists

Glad you agree.


Edited by Plokite_Wolf, 24 November 2015 - 10:18 PM.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 11:33 PM

- Yeah, and those true beliefs are a version of Islam, which is a religion, meaning religion is directly tied to ISIS.

 

- ISIS' beliefs are literal interpretations of Islamic scripture. The Wahhabism branch of Sunni Islam is closest to what they believe. I'm also not a fan of these false equivalencies between the Crusades and ISIS. It's just apples and oranges on so many levels. 

 

- Islam for them is not just a vehicle, nor a means to an end- it's an integral part of the end goal. They're led by clerics pursuing goals that are distinctly rooted in Islamic scripture. Their stated end goal is an Islamic caliphate across the Middle East, remember? An Islamic State (IS!) governed by Sharia law lifted directly from scripture. 

 

- I am well aware that a lot of less fundamentalist branches of Islam put this stuff into a modern perspective, interpreting it not so literally, etc. Note though that the Qu'ran also commands to remain unchanged and literally interpreted throughout all of time, which is a fundamental difference to, say, Catholicism and in itself is a big and unfortunate problem for muslims looking to really modernize their religion... Anyway, ISIS being fundamentalists/literalists/wahhabists, they find ample justification for raping slave girls in Islam. Proof, with sources: http://wikiislam.net...i/Rape_in_Islam Note, again, that I am not saying all muslims are rapists or whatever, I'm saying that ISIS is consciously basing their actions on literal interpretations of Islamic scripture. 

 

- Yes, of course I agree. I am simply arguing why Islam is a fundamental part of ISIS' identity (and why acknowledging this is a vital step towards modernizing Islam for the better). I'm criticizing the ideology of the religion, not casually writing off the millions of people following it. I make a very clear distinction between people and ideas. I know I shouldn't have to pre-emptively cover myself like this, but experience has taught me it's generally a good idea...


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Posted 25 November 2015 - 12:34 AM

Terrorism has been carried out by countless groups of people belonging to various religions, with many different ideals and concepts as a driving force for their actions. Yes ISIS needs to go, but my point is simply that people are mis-conceptualizing the reason based on a concept that is far from indigenous to the people currently flaunting it. Tell me, how did the last decade + of America's fruitless "War on Terror" go? This ISIS ordeal likely won't go any better really. 

 

ISIS has done a fantastic job at striking fear. Terrorism doesn't accomplish anything with body count. Now, I don't want to undermine the constant genocide and extreme unjust that is going on in many parts of the Middle-East, but the stuff that is happening there "behind the scenes" is not Terrorism. That's just them carrying out their ridiculous perception of their beliefs based on righteousness. Terrorism though in its roots, is about sending a message, and striking fear. Publicity. ISIS has done a fantastic job at that because damn near the whole world is talking about them and their honestly petty impact on the world outside their own borders. 


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 03:01 AM

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 08:22 AM

The freakin' hell you talking about?

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 04:49 PM

Erm... ignore him. He does this sort of thing.


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 10:35 PM

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 10:38 PM

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