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#1 PurpleGaga27

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 07:19 PM

I can't believe Intel, AMD and Qualcomm are making the devil move restriction policy with Microsoft, that all future chips and PCs starting in 2016 must use Windows 10 and higher. If you try to use Windows 7/8.1 and/or even older versions of Windows, the new CPUs won't let you install any one of those OSs. It could get worse with Nvidia and AMD video cards if newer video cards must also use Windows 10 as a minimum requirement to go along with newer CPUs and motherboards.

 

Sources:

http://www.theverge....cessors-skylake

and

http://www.forbes.co...a0b18776f07ef28

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http://www.pcworld.c...windows-10.html

 

This might piss off some PC gamers, and not to mention that some will probably not upgrade/buy a new PC because of those restrictions unless they still stick to Windows 7/8.1. But no one even mentioned Android, Linux, SteamOS and MacOS X. I wonder how those other OSs will work with those future Intel CPUs, not unless you use a virtual OS program like VirtualBox and VMWare. At least Microsoft still supports virtual machines for free download: https://dev.windows....ols/vms/windows



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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:44 PM

This might piss off some PC gamers, and not to mention that some will probably not upgrade/buy a new PC because of those restrictions unless they still stick to Windows 7/8.1. But no one even mentioned Android, Linux, SteamOS and MacOS X. I wonder how those other OSs will work with those future Intel CPUs, not unless you use a virtual OS program like VirtualBox and VMWare. At least Microsoft still supports virtual machines for free download: https://dev.windows....ols/vms/windows

 

Me, being one of those.

God d*mn you Microsoft. Friggin mafia  :flameblast:


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:17 AM

Comparability is becoming a massive issue in PC gaming.  Developers are beginning to have crippling issues with making their games compatible with every possible software combination, and older OS types are a part of that problem.  Last year, AAA titles for PC were abysmal.  From Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed, and even to Black Ops 3, it's easy to see that the great game of compatibility balancing is destroying the PC gaming market.  Designing software for a small pool of operating systems will greatly improve games in terms of both development and performance.   It's not good to see the older OS types become abandoned, but most folks knew it was going to happen very soon. If you don't believe that, then consider why Microsoft gave away Windows 10 for free last year.

 

But this decision between hardware developers is quite the opposite of PC's decline; it's a leap of survival.  It's a decision will balance the grounds between PC and consoles.  We're already clearly in the lead in the great game, but this change in design will send consoles leagues into a sea of obsolete despair.  It's not just about gaming, but it might very well be the biggest advantage of this.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 10:29 AM

Saying this is how the PC will die isn't just unnecessarily melodramatic, but it's also wrong. The world can't live in nostalgia for older machines, and you've got to keep your stuff up to date or your company will go under. If you try to accommodate for the respectively small amount of people who choose not to use newer computers, you're wasting time and money that could be better used in improving newer computers. Much as any business, you've got to evolve or die.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 02:07 PM

PC was never going to die, computers are used for everything in the 21st century, not just for gaming, so if you think this is a "leap for survival" then you're wrong. Survival is never in question.

I'm not exactly in either camps presented here, except that the entire point of the PC was that it was largely an open format, that was customisable - a hackers playground that lead to many games, software and hardware that we use today. Now, as Microsoft has been closing down harder than before in recent years, in particular as they tried to on the new Xbox, but were forced to retract in some areas, I think the traditional concept of the PC is indeed dying. And it seems like a rather arbitrary decision according to this quote: "Microsoft will support the list of Skylake PCs running Windows 7 and 8.1 for only 18 months, until July 2017". That's not a hardware limitation if you can just turn on or off compatibility whenever you want. That's just a choice which only grants the monopolistic corporations more control.

Now I guess it's quite unclear what "support" means. If they mean you can choose to run another operating system but there is just no official support or technical help, then that's not as bad. If they literally mean it's cut off completely then that's very bad of them.

I've been mulling over for a while the possibility of moving over to Linux or some other OS, rather than 'upgrade', because I don't like at all the direction MS is going, and it's shitty that the only two real competitor OSes are converging in their lack of user freedom. Windows 10 backwards compatibility has been god awful so far and makes a lot of games unplayable, which is completely unacceptable and one of the terrible aspects of the consoles. Of course switching OS would also do that, so it's really a catch-22, and that's the danger of only having a two major competitors. Feels like the corridor is narrowing rapidly.
 

Last year, AAA titles for PC were abysmal.  From Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed, and even to Black Ops 3, it's easy to see that the great game of compatibility balancing is destroying the PC gaming market.


But they're not even the PC market... they're console games being terribly ported. In fact what's incredibly ironic is that with the arrival of PS4 and Xbox everyone said PC ports would be better, because the architecture is not very different anymore. And what happened? Some of the worst ports in history from some of the biggest games companies in history. They fully knew their games were terrible and released them anyway.
 

It's a decision will balance the grounds between PC and consoles.  We're already clearly in the lead in the great game, but this change in design will send consoles leagues into a sea of obsolete despair.  It's not just about gaming, but it might very well be the biggest advantage of this.


How does closing down the system make it better than console? The whole problem with consoles are the fact they're completely closed, with ridiculous attempts at DRM and a limited selection of games and hardware vendors. This is anywhere from your console having to check in online every 24 hours, to not being able to lend a game to a friend anymore, to lack of backwards compatibiliy which renders the entire previous generation useless, to only a limited selection of software/games because every publisher has to get a license from Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo, to no games modding, no hardware modding, no unofficial patching, etc etc. If you think Microsoft won't go further down that road as PC options get increasingly limited, I think you're wrong.

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:25 PM

The premise of the original post is just plain wrong. Yes, MS will not officially support old versions of Windows on new chips. No, the CPUs will not magically prevent you from installing an older version. They're just being nice to driver developers who now don't have to support newer hardware on n old versions of Windows.

(If you're so outraged by this, try installing an old version of OS X on newest Apple hardware and see how that works out for you...)

 

Here's a more serious article: http://arstechnica.c...-to-windows-10/


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:19 AM

PC was never going to die, computers are used for everything in the 21st century, not just for gaming, so if you think this is a "leap for survival" then you're wrong. Survival is never in question.

I'm not exactly in either camps presented here, except that the entire point of the PC was that it was largely an open format, that was customisable - a hackers playground that lead to many games, software and hardware that we use today. Now, as Microsoft has been closing down harder than before in recent years, in particular as they tried to on the new Xbox, but were forced to retract in some areas, I think the traditional concept of the PC is indeed dying. And it seems like a rather arbitrary decision according to this quote: "Microsoft will support the list of Skylake PCs running Windows 7 and 8.1 for only 18 months, until July 2017". That's not a hardware limitation if you can just turn on or off compatibility whenever you want. That's just a choice which only grants the monopolistic corporations more control.

Now I guess it's quite unclear what "support" means. If they mean you can choose to run another operating system but there is just no official support or technical help, then that's not as bad. If they literally mean it's cut off completely then that's very bad of them.

I've been mulling over for a while the possibility of moving over to Linux or some other OS, rather than 'upgrade', because I don't like at all the direction MS is going, and it's shitty that the only two real competitor OSes are converging in their lack of user freedom. Windows 10 backwards compatibility has been god awful so far and makes a lot of games unplayable, which is completely unacceptable and one of the terrible aspects of the consoles. Of course switching OS would also do that, so it's really a catch-22, and that's the danger of only having a two major competitors. Feels like the corridor is narrowing rapidly.
 

Last year, AAA titles for PC were abysmal.  From Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed, and even to Black Ops 3, it's easy to see that the great game of compatibility balancing is destroying the PC gaming market.


But they're not even the PC market... they're console games being terribly ported. In fact what's incredibly ironic is that with the arrival of PS4 and Xbox everyone said PC ports would be better, because the architecture is not very different anymore. And what happened? Some of the worst ports in history from some of the biggest games companies in history. They fully knew their games were terrible and released them anyway.
 

It's a decision will balance the grounds between PC and consoles.  We're already clearly in the lead in the great game, but this change in design will send consoles leagues into a sea of obsolete despair.  It's not just about gaming, but it might very well be the biggest advantage of this.


How does closing down the system make it better than console? The whole problem with consoles are the fact they're completely closed, with ridiculous attempts at DRM and a limited selection of games and hardware vendors. This is anywhere from your console having to check in online every 24 hours, to not being able to lend a game to a friend anymore, to lack of backwards compatibiliy which renders the entire previous generation useless, to only a limited selection of software/games because every publisher has to get a license from Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo, to no games modding, no hardware modding, no unofficial patching, etc etc. If you think Microsoft won't go further down that road as PC options get increasingly limited, I think you're wrong.

 

I was guessing, obviously.


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Posted 13 February 2016 - 06:01 AM

Is there a cure for windows 10 being incompatible to generals software.



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Posted 13 February 2016 - 06:03 AM

and what is the best os to run generals on?






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