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[Eggrollz]

What do you guys think?

Will the Allies and the Soviets ally against Yuri in act 2 just like they did in vanilla YR and MO 2.0?

[Solais]

From what we know, likely. Then all hell will break loose without clear winners; from the wreckage the Epsilon survives and the Foehn emerges.

[aethiraes]

Maybe not. The Allies are basically holed up in Britain and judging based on the Mermaid, the new mission where you control one Chrono legionnaire, the Allies are forced to resort to covert tactics.

The Soviets might see the Allies as weak and not bother to ask for help at all. This might lead to both of their downfalls the battle in Antarctica. The Soviets launch an full-scale invasion on Yuri's Stronghold, and the Allies tag along even though the Soviets didn't want to invite them. In the end, the lack of coordination between the Allies and Soviet results in a disastrous defeat that cripples both of them.

This might lead to the Foehn Revolt. The remaining Allies and Soviets realize that cooperation is the best way for victory.

[Damfoos]

Funny though, since Act 2 campaigns likely won't be finished in 3.3 and the missions set will be completed in later patches (according to what's been said in one of the topics below), the question will remain even after the next release.

I do think Allies and Soviets may form an alliance (MO follows the original storyline after all), but perhaps in Yuri Act 2 campaign we will successfully break that alliance (that reverced "defend the Parliament" mission comes to mind), which will lead to fail for both Soviets and Allies. Maybe in the end they both will take their own attempts to destroy the base in Antarctica, each one will fail, since Irkalla's description says that since its creation no Soviet or Allied force _alone_ was able to set foot there.

I wonder though, will there be a Pensilvania mission with that castle?

[Solais]

That was Transylvania, lol.

 

Some Foehn unit descriptions also mention that the battle of Antarctica will be problematic for the Epsilon as well, mentioning something like "the few proselytes that are still alive".

[Damfoos]

Lol, what a dumb oversight

I always thought "the few proselytes that are still alive" means that after Foehn has emerged, they begun their great crusade on Epsilon, effectively wiping it out everywhere, hence why the number of Yuri's commanders has decreased drastically. Who knows though, maybe Allies and Soviets hurt Epsilon too in their last days of power.

And I just recalled the Act 2 Epsilon mission where we will command Rahn and Malver to fight joint forces of EA and Russia, so there will be at least one alliance (unless those are surrendered EA forces joined to Soviets).

[Oktavia]

(MO follows the original storyline after all)

Not sure what did you mean by this, since both YR storyline "alliances" are about traveling back in time, beating the other side into submission and then fighting Yuri.

In MO storyline even subfactions have tensions between each other, let alone different factions.

[CLAlstar]

 

(MO follows the original storyline after all)

Correction: It RECREAES story, not follow it. Things are object to changes.

[aethiraes]

 

 

(MO follows the original storyline after all)

Correction: It RECREAES story, not follow it. Things are object to changes.

 

 

Pretty much this. Mental Omega will take the original YR's story points and twists it. 

 

If Soviets and Allies will have an alliance, something might be reversed. Maybe you are Epsilon and you attack the Parliament. Maybe Soviets and Allies don't have an alliance at all; a truce, maybe, but ultimately the two forces are uncoordinated and are crushed by Epsilon.

[Schottkey 7th Path]

Even with the advent of Foehn, i predict there should still be Allied and Soviet holdouts in remote areas keeping what they have left using MCV technology. and the epsilon threat have made the paranoid enough to refuse joining the Revolt. or hopeless enough that they would rather hide.

 

Another thing i speculate, is that the Foehn came from a future where Yuri has already won. and enslaved humanity through his secret weapon. The "bad future" Allies/Soviet remnants coalition used what was left of recovered Chrono technology, and in their final effort, to send a small team back in time. along with their combined technology blueprints and data developed from that era to Steinstech and Kanegawa Industries and other private manufactures (And China since they have their own ambitions that goes at odds with Soviet Russia) to help build the technology needed to fight the upcoming epsilon while Yuri is still in the Soviets. knowing that they cannot do anything but wait until Yuri betrays the Soviets as he is still under their protection. and fighting Yuri before then means fighting the Soviet union, which they currently do not have the strength to. (in a way, mirroring Yuri's rise to power). Yuri would not know of the emerging Foehn, but the Foehn knows about Yuri.

 

[Damfoos]

Actually, this sounds quite reasonable and may even be the case. The story "from other perspective" on the website says "the true enemy is still hiding in shadows, we shall prepare for its arrival". This theory may also explain why there are Jackals at Kanegawa complex in that Epsilon mission.

Though Speeder said there won't be time traveling involved, but who knows, maybe it means that this hitech force itself didn't come from the future all in full power and ready to strike, while it could indeed be subsequently created by the travellers, as you said.

The first Foehn mission happens in a world where Yuri already has an army, so as a Foehn commander (I wonder how Foehn commanders are called, since there are Comrades, Commanders and Prozelytes for other 3 factions) we could prepare for evacuation into past by securing some vital asset/place, or we could fail in this mission and realize we need to send scientists back in time to prepare, so the second Foehn mission will begin before Act 1 or in the same times.

And we still don't know what the Paradox Project is, perhaps the Allies were about to use it to travel back in time to stop Soviets, but when Yuri has shown his intentions to the world they realized he is a much bigger treat, so they used it to create the Foehn. The name "Foehn", according to Speeder's words, means the wind that will melt the Antarctica fortress down, what means the organization got its name after Epsilon has already established its domination. The "Revolt" most likely means revolt against Epsilon oppressors.

There's one thing which contradicts with this theory however. The descriptions of Harbringer and Robot tank MkII hint that Foehn has begun its superior researches after Allies had been already defeated, so they finished the old projects which were not finished due to various reasons, so unlikely Kanegawa was working for Foehn since the beginning. But again, maybe the Foehn founders travelled back in time, established some super secret bunker complex and after many years of research they emerged and found some abandoned Kanegawa projects which they were able to finish and incule into their arsenal.

Edited by Damfoos, 25 July 2016 - 04:10 PM.

[Oktavia]

If there is no time traveling involved, good luck explaining why exactly Yuri's masterplan failed in very specific spots, considering Yuri is a "keikaku doori" of RA2 on top of being a literal psychic. Even the source of the meme had to resort to "lip-reading from a low-res camera footage" bullshit to end in anything.

Edited by Oktavia, 26 July 2016 - 05:05 AM.

[aethiraes]

If there is no time traveling involved, good luck explaining why exactly Yuri's masterplan failed in very specific spots, considering Yuri is a "keikaku doori" of RA2 on top of being a literal psychic. Even the source of the meme had to resort to "lip-reading from a low-res camera footage" bullshit to end in anything.

Uh, pretty simple explanation for this actually. Foehn probably made every effort to hide their existence. None of the other factions know they exist, so it must have worked.

Basically Yuri thought he was playing everyone, but Foehn was playing Yuri the whole damn time. If the Other perspective in the story section in the mental omega website takes place at the time as the other perspectives, then clearly Foehn knew about Yuri all along.

If this sounds unreasonable, keep in mind that Yuri made efforts to hide his plans. So it wouldn't be unimaginable to assume Foehn put the same amount of care in concealing themselves. Plus Yuri is a psychic, but the fact that the sabotage worked against him shows that he can't know everything.

[lovalmidas]

Point to note: You don't have to be allies to do the same thing. The Soviets may cringe at the sound of this sentence:

 

"The Soviets are now Allied wi..."