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[Mathijs]

 

That's what Trump thinks he is, and I'm sure a percentage of those 'forgotten millions' (who aren't actually forgotten and are being actively championed by the Left) continue to believe it, at least until they start to get hurt by Trump's anti-proletariat agenda, but that doesn't make it true. His policies don't benefit either the working class or the middle class. An inexperienced billionaire heading the Department of Education, a climate change denialist heading the EPA, beginning to dismantle the ACA without his promised replacement plan finished, inevitably racking up the prices of basic goods with his short-sighted 'America First' 'plan', these aren't going to ease any sense of disenfranchisement. His forgotten millions may think for a while longer that they've dealt a grievous blow to the establishment that they think abandoned them, but they'll learn soon enough that they elected something much worse.

I hate Trump, because it's not fair America gets a good leader for the people and the rest of the world are stuck with slimy virtue signaling globalists Turdhairdeau.

 

Anti prole?  What are H1b visas Obama?  Tens of thousands of jobs coming back, negotiated even before Trump took office.  Obama didn't even try.

 

Getting out of the regime change business will save lots, too bad Obama and Bush didn't realize that before going through trillions.  If the economy collapses within the year due to this and Obama's bank bailouts, don't blame Trump.    

 

Refugee crisis is defused now that Trump has gotten Saudis to agree to housing them.  Two phone calls.  Think of the millions saved for America and Europe now that the inbred numbskulls of the middle east will be staying there!  Obama didn't even try.

 

Climate change?  Climate change laws and taxes directly attack the proles you seem to want to defend.  Trump getting out of Paris will invigorate the economy, while the rest of the world staggers under globalist climate bs.  Have you heard of Climategate?  How about the fact carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but plant food and at the moment increased amounts are greening deserts?  Obama didn't even try to learn the science, just signed onto globalism. 

 

Trump is cleaning up Bush and Obama's mess despite the corrupt media complex fake news platitudes of pessimism, that are not in keeping with what he is accomplishing so quickly.  There is a reason the establishment is against him you know.  Fortunately Trump is going to Make America Great Again despite their protestations, and the people will grow to love Trump and hate the dirty lying media. 

 

That's another effect Trump has had on me - I can't tell if anymore if people like you are trolling or not.

[PurpleGaga27]

So the estimation of building a wall is exceedingly larger than previously expected: http://www.reuters.c...e-idUSKBN15O2ZN

[duke_Qa]

Continuing on Mathijs train of thought with my own.

 

I'd assume most supporters are just trolling and respond with more social and economically invasive policies. Movements where the needs of the few are sacrificed for the needs of the many. Good old liberalism where "individual freedom is the holiest of virtues," should be rescinded until further notice, at least economic liberalism. The President Bannon supporters doesn't want it for those that aren't in their tribe/group, so why should we let them have it on their own?

 

We're all in the same boat, and until we got the technology to change that, we have to keep the selfish ones from going Lord of the Flies on us all. The market is a poor master but a good servant. Liberalism might be a beacon in the night to sail for, but you can't let the few that has cheated the system reap the rewards of a system designed for them, while they leave 99% behind to fight among themselves for the scraps.

 

Basically, we have to postpone the notion of some imminent liberal utopia to suppress the zero-sum greed that consumes the so-called alt/populistic right. The current "liberals" or red-wine socialists who run many of those political parties have failed to make meaningful policy changes and have sent the people who trusted them into poverty. They have drunk too much from the right's poisoned chalice of conservatism.

 

 

 

Refugee crisis is defused now that Trump has gotten Saudis to agree to housing them.  Two phone calls.  Think of the millions saved for America and Europe now that the inbred numbskulls of the middle east will be staying there!  Obama didn't even try.

 

All I can see on the subject is that Bannon's Tv-head has called and they agreed on making Syrian/Yemen "safe zones," which implies at best that they don't want any refugees in SA, at worst that they'll send troops in with the US to create safe zones. Which is pretty close to what was done in Libya. Most likely it's just air with no action.

[Telepsych]

 

 

That's what Trump thinks he is, and I'm sure a percentage of those 'forgotten millions' (who aren't actually forgotten and are being actively championed by the Left) continue to believe it, at least until they start to get hurt by Trump's anti-proletariat agenda, but that doesn't make it true. His policies don't benefit either the working class or the middle class. An inexperienced billionaire heading the Department of Education, a climate change denialist heading the EPA, beginning to dismantle the ACA without his promised replacement plan finished, inevitably racking up the prices of basic goods with his short-sighted 'America First' 'plan', these aren't going to ease any sense of disenfranchisement. His forgotten millions may think for a while longer that they've dealt a grievous blow to the establishment that they think abandoned them, but they'll learn soon enough that they elected something much worse.

I hate Trump, because it's not fair America gets a good leader for the people and the rest of the world are stuck with slimy virtue signaling globalists Turdhairdeau.

 

Anti prole?  What are H1b visas Obama?  Tens of thousands of jobs coming back, negotiated even before Trump took office.  Obama didn't even try.

 

Getting out of the regime change business will save lots, too bad Obama and Bush didn't realize that before going through trillions.  If the economy collapses within the year due to this and Obama's bank bailouts, don't blame Trump.    

 

Refugee crisis is defused now that Trump has gotten Saudis to agree to housing them.  Two phone calls.  Think of the millions saved for America and Europe now that the inbred numbskulls of the middle east will be staying there!  Obama didn't even try.

 

Climate change?  Climate change laws and taxes directly attack the proles you seem to want to defend.  Trump getting out of Paris will invigorate the economy, while the rest of the world staggers under globalist climate bs.  Have you heard of Climategate?  How about the fact carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but plant food and at the moment increased amounts are greening deserts?  Obama didn't even try to learn the science, just signed onto globalism. 

 

Trump is cleaning up Bush and Obama's mess despite the corrupt media complex fake news platitudes of pessimism, that are not in keeping with what he is accomplishing so quickly.  There is a reason the establishment is against him you know.  Fortunately Trump is going to Make America Great Again despite their protestations, and the people will grow to love Trump and hate the dirty lying media. 

 

That's another effect Trump has had on me - I can't tell if anymore if people like you are trolling or not.

 

If that's the effect the truth has on you you've been consuming too much fake news in the vein of CNN, NBC, FOX, etc.  Did you believe the media when they were shilling for the Iraqi WMDs, or the Libya aggression, or the Syria aggression?  I hope you have at least as much skepticism for the fake news as you do Trump.

[PurpleGaga27]

So far the impeachment of Trump has over 860,000 signatures. 100+ million signatures might be enough to get everyone's attention.

 

However, gonna need way more than that:

http://www.publicpol...hing-trump.html

http://www.commondre...ust-got-shorter

[duke_Qa]

If that's the effect the truth has on you you've been consuming too much fake news in the vein of CNN, NBC, FOX, etc.  Did you believe the media when they were shilling for the Iraqi WMDs, or the Libya aggression, or the Syria aggression?  I hope you have at least as much skepticism for the fake news as you do Trump.

 

 

Well first of all I'm done defending well known media outlets that try their best at having sources, so I'll boomerang the accusation back: How do you know your sources are anything but Russian sponsored propaganda that is designed to nitpick their way into average anti-vaxxer brains? You don't come with sources of your claims. you just come with accusations of the journalistic pillars we got, which is easy to do.

 

I can say you're probably just a Russian tween that aced English classes and now have a perfectly well paid job fighting against the West for your overlords, and these words hold just as much weight as yours currently do. More probably:  You've been a member since a week ago, and me myself and others here have been around for years, so I suspect that my accusation might just be the case.

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[Námo]

Oh no, NO ... a russian spy, that's bad news. REALLY bad news. BAD.

 

Last time the russians were comming, it almost started WW3. Democratic as well as republican revorians must stand together, UNITED.

 

[Mathijs]

Oh no, NO ... a russian spy, that's bad news. REALLY bad news. BAD.

 

Last time the russians were comming, it almost started WW3. Democratic as well as republican revorians must stand together, UNITED.

 

 

More passive aggressive commentary from Námo. If you've got nothing to contribute but smugness, why are you here? Did you really come back just to gloat over Trump's victory?

[duke_Qa]

Yeah, it seems there's no vision for the future in these posts, just gloating over something I don't see them envisioning beyond "dum liberuls lost hurr durr." Contemporary luddism maybe?

 

One might suspect they have finished prepping their doomsday bunker, invited their cousin over and are trying to make the world go to hell, so they finally can lose their virginity and be right about something for once

[Telepsych]

 

If that's the effect the truth has on you you've been consuming too much fake news in the vein of CNN, NBC, FOX, etc.  Did you believe the media when they were shilling for the Iraqi WMDs, or the Libya aggression, or the Syria aggression?  I hope you have at least as much skepticism for the fake news as you do Trump.

 

 

Well first of all I'm done defending well known media outlets that try their best at having sources, so I'll boomerang the accusation back: How do you know your sources are anything but Russian sponsored propaganda that is designed to nitpick their way into average anti-vaxxer brains? You don't come with sources of your claims. you just come with accusations of the journalistic pillars we got, which is easy to do.

 

I can say you're probably just a Russian tween that aced English classes and now have a perfectly well paid job fighting against the West for your overlords, and these words hold just as much weight as yours currently do. More probably:  You've been a member since a week ago, and me myself and others here have been around for years, so I suspect that my accusation might just be the case.

 

You need proof that the media was shilling for the Iraq and subsequent wars under Bush and Dapper Well-spoken Bush 2.0(Obama)?  Really?  I thought it was common knowledge.  Especially with more propaganda coming against the good guy Assad.  Don't forget Wolf Blitzer worked for AIPAC.

 

I'll give you a recent example of fake news.  The media keeps saying it is fiction when Trump says there was massive voter fraud.  The media uses this as an example to call him a liar and that there is no evidence.  But there indeed was evidence, that caused the resignations of high level democrat operatives.  The operatives are on tape saying they have been bussing people around to vote fraudulently for over 50 years.

 

And then there were the lies that the inauguration was sparsely attended.  They undermine him any chance they can, get caught lying, and just keep doing it.  Just like they did before the Iraq war.  The mainstream media is controlled by about 5 corporations, has ties to the deep state and is engaged in disinformation.  There was no evidence of Russian hacking, yet you think it is real because they keep bringing it up as though it was settled. 

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[Mathijs]

How much does Putin pay you? I could use some extra income as well...

[Telepsych]

How much does Putin pay you? I could use some extra income as well...

Not even Jeb would hire such a low energy pundit as yourself.

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[Mathijs]

It seems a 'no baseless perpetuation of asinine nonsense' rule is now required...

[Telepsych]

It seems a 'no baseless perpetuation of asinine nonsense' rule is now required...

"I have 2 billion posts so I can shitpost that you are Russian, ignore arguments that defeat my position and claim victory against nonsense"

OK that's your right, comrade.  But you're the one acting like Stalin.

[Mathijs]

What arguments? You repeat baseless talking points and provide zero sources. Regurgitating non-facts is not a debate - it's trying to subvert and and undermine an observable reality to benefit some crazy agenda.

And you don't have to be a Russian to be on uncle P's payroll, broski.

[duke_Qa]

Seems the tactic is to pile as much bullshit and drama on top of the insidious policies like institutionalized racism and discrimination. That way they can get enough outrage to get the vote without having to answer for the shit we've been warned about for decades.

[Námo]

Just a reminder ...

 

... this is the sort of commentary we need these days:

 

 

"Being offended doesn't work anymore. Throwing insults doesn't work anymore."

[Mathijs]

More passive aggressive commentary from Námo. If you've got nothing to contribute but smugness, why are you here? Did you really come back just to gloat over Trump's victory?

[Telepsych]

What arguments? You repeat baseless talking points and provide zero sources. Regurgitating non-facts is not a debate - it's trying to subvert and and undermine an observable reality to benefit some crazy agenda.

And you don't have to be a Russian to be on uncle P's payroll, broski.

Maybe you work for CNN, sounds straight out of their playbook.  Or maybe you work for Soros.  See how that works?  Your lazy name-calling tactics aren't winning you any points.

 

You know that people can read the previous posts?  There were two proofs embedded in my last post, but don't let that distract you from declaring victory. 

 

Refusing to respond to the refutation of fake news on the inauguration, and the refutation of fake news saying Trump is lying about there being voter fraud, as detailed in the video I cited above. 

 

That's quite an elaborate way to admit you have no arguments and are too lazy to even pretend you do. 

 

May I remind you that your sides lack of honesty is what cost you the election?  You're probably from some European country who get an even more filtered and biased version of the news than we do in North America.  Maybe Swedenistan?    It seems to be cuck central.  

 

Trump won the popular vote, Joy Villa brought a Trump dress to the Grammies and now her songs are way up in the charts. 

 

Keep crying, your tears lubricate the Trump Train!  MAGA!

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[Mathijs]

Ok, no more.

Repeating baseless non-truths might now be a social norm for a certain group of people, particularly amongst a significant minority of the American electoral base, but this is still the Current Events subforum. You can affiliate yourself with whatever political preference you want, but constantly perpetuating demonstrable falsehoods in this forum (ie. Trump winning the popular vote, American voter fraud, the moonlanding being staged, etc) without a reliable source will result in a suspension. This type of behavior is erosive and harmful to real debate.

Again, this is not me saying people cannot fundamentally disagree on here - this is me saying that a discussion can't be had if people repeat piles of 'alternative facts' (ie. nonsense) and treat reality as something that can be tailored to fit your opinion.