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#1 Dúnedain76

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Posted 03 February 2017 - 07:57 PM

Lothlórien 1.0
Age of the Ring
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Heroes
 
Rumil - 1100
Rank 1: Gwedhanar
Haldir and Orophin gain +10% damage and +5% experience gain
Rank 3 - Mallorn Shaft
Wounding arrow
Rank 6: Sentinel of Nimrodel
Rumil dons his heavy armor and gains 50% armor increase
Increases vision range for friendly units and increases rate of fire for archers. Passive
 
Orophin - 1100
Rank 1: Gwedhanar
Haldir and Rumil  gain +10% damage and +5% experience gain
Rank 3 - Silvan Rage
Blademaster
Rank 6: Warden of the Celebrant
Orophin dons his heavy armor and gains 50% armor increase
Activated ability: Reduces knockback chance and increases armor of nearby troops for a short time

Idrial - 1500
Rank 1: Fluid Strike
An area of effect strike that knocks back enemy units.
Rank 3: Cleanse Shadow
Units within the radius are moderately healed, lose enemy debuffs, and gain fear resistance for a short time.
Rank 8: Gift of Galadriel
Summons a golden tree that is surrounded by Elven mists. Friendly units are cloaked, enemy units lose leadership.
Rank 10: Haste of the Elves
Passive that reduces all of Idrial's power cooldowns by 33%.
 
Haldir - 1600
Rank 1: Gwedhanar
Rumil and Orophin gain +10% damage and +5% experience gain
Rank 1: Sword/Bow toggle
Rank 3: Marchwarden of Lothlórien
Teleports friendly units to another area of the map
Rank 6: Captain of the Galadhrim
Haldir dons his heavy armor and gains 50% armor increase
Nearby friendly troops gain +33% damage and +33% armor
Rank 10: Last Stand
Haldir regains a portion of his health back and gains 30% damage but loses 55% armor for the duration
 
Celeborn - 2500
Rank 1: Lord of the Galadhrim
All nearby friendly units gain Fear Resistance as well as a 10% speed bonus. Celeborn causes fear to nearby enemies
Rank 2: Words of Healing
Heals nearby heroes and units
Rank 4: Cunning Warrior
Celeborn is briefly able to avoid all damage toward him
Rank 5: Armaments of Doriath
Celeborn wields his ancient armaments from Doriath
Celeborn's attacks deal magic damage
Rank 8: Wise beyond measure
Celeborn grants troops within the radius a large bonus to experience
 
Galadriel - 3000
Rank 1: Foresight
Far Sight
Rank 3: The Lady of Lothlorien
Nearby friendly Heroes have decreased recharge times and increased experience gain. Nearby enemy heroes lose damage
Rank 4: Bearer of Nenya
Nearby structures gain +150% armor as well as the Snowbind power
Rank 7: Light of Valinor
For a brief time Galadriel is reveled in white light spreading terror in the hearts of her enemies and becoming invulnerable.
Rank 10: The Storm-Queen
Galadriel takes the form of the storm queen for a short time
Her attacks become ranged attacks and her damage vs buildings increases by 200%
 
Buildings
 
Golden Mallorn
Cost: 300
Main Resource Structure
Waters of Nimrodel
Cost: 500
Mallorn Tree grants healing to nearby Elves and replenishes numbers
 
Golden Wood Garrison
Cost: 350
Rank 1: Lorien Wardens
Elves armed with short spears and shields wearing cloth. Able to double as anti-cavalry and base infantry. May receive Heavy armor, Tempered Blades, and Banner upgrades.
On upgrade they receive Tempered leather armor over cloth.
Rank 1: Lorien Archers
Elves wielding bows wearing cloth. May receive Heavy armor, Galadhrim Longbows, and Banner upgrades.
On upgrade they receive Tempered leather armor over cloth.
Rank 2: Sentinels of Cerin Amroth
Hooded and Cloaked Elite Spearmen armed with glaives and wearing cloth. May receive Heavy armor, Tempered Blades, and Banner upgrades.
On upgrade they receive light silver armor under a hooded cloak.
Rank 3: Sindarin Warriors
Hooded and Cloaked Marchwardens armed with Sword and Bow wearing cloth armor. May receive Heavy Armor, Tempered Blades, Galadhrim Longbows, and Banner upgrades.
On upgrade they receive the golden armor of the Galadhrim.
Rank 3: Nandor Hîr-Hathol
Rank 1: Toggle Sword/Axe
Rank 5: For Lórinand!
Invulnerable
Rank 7: Treasures of Ossiriand
Upgrades units within the radius with Heavy Armor
 
Golden Wood Pasture
Rank 1: Scouts of Nimrodel
Horse-Riding Elves armed with bows and light leather armor. May receive Heavy armor, Galadhrim Longbows, and Banner upgrades.
Rank 2: Spear/Bow toggle
On upgrade they receive the silver armor of the Galadhrim.
Rank 1: Amroth's Knights - 450
Heavy cavalry. These mounted Sindarin nobles are the remnants of Amroth Amdirion's household guard.
 
Tree Flet
Cost: 500
Main Defensive Structure
May be garrisoned
 
Golden Wood Storehouse
Upgrade Structure
Rank 1: Banner Carriers
Rank 1: Tempered Blades
Rank 2: Heavy Armor
Rank 2: Lorien Cloaks ; All Lothlórien units gain the elven cloak ability
Rank 3: Galadhrim Longbows
 
Statue of Amroth
Cost: 200
Heroic Statue
 
Entmoot
Cost: 1000
Rank 1: Ent
Do I need an Ent description?
 
Fortress
Banners of the Sindar - Give Leadership and Reduce Hero Cost
Waters of the Celebrant - Swan fountains
Mists of the Anduin - Fog
Marchwardens - Places Lorien Archers on Fortress with Mallorn Bows
Enchanted Canal - Lessens damage to fortress
Mallorn Roots - Same as vanilla Vines
Mirror of Galadriel - Reveals Entire Map
 
Fortress Buildplots
Flet - comes with 3 Lorien Archers
Watchful Ent - Ent that throws rocks
Tribute to Elbereth - Strengthens friendly units near it
 
Powers
Tier 1
Horn of the Nandor: Rallying Call
You Can Go No Further: Stuns enemies caught within the radius
Leithio I Phillin: Arrow volley in a small radius
 
Tier 2
Amroth's Knights: Enables the recruitment of Amroth's Knights from the Pasture.
Silvan Allies: Summons 3 battalions of Mirkwood rangers
Glade of Mellyrn: Elven wood that summons a grove of Mallorn trees.
A Very Great Wizard: Summons Radagast the Brown
 
Tier 3
Eagles of the Mountains: Summon Eagles
Blessing of Manwë: Cloudbreak
Cast Down Its Walls: Structures in the radius receive heavy damage
 
Tier 4
Mists of Lothlorien: Cloaks friendly units, slows enemy units and deals heavy damage over time. Basically a death trap like Sunflare.
The Ring of Adamant: Strengthens and preserves everything within its radius. Units gain +300% armor, structures are repaired and gain +100% armor. Summons a large forest floor decal with tree props, sunrays, etc.

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 01:46 PM

May Galadriel, at a certain level, gain her armour as seen in the concept art?

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#3 saruman_the_wise

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Posted 04 February 2017 - 02:11 PM

MattTheLegoman, on 04 Feb 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:MattTheLegoman, on 04 Feb 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

May Galadriel, at a certain level, gain her armour as seen in the concept art?

I hope she doesn't.....I've always found an armored Galadriel to be unbefitting (she's basically a sorceress with extreme power, armor is beneath her imo).

 

and for the Lady of Lothlorien spell, perhaps make it a buff towards nearby heroes like +15 armor, experience gain and fester ability recharge time, or a healing aura?


Edited by saruman_the_wise, 04 February 2017 - 02:14 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2017 - 10:29 PM

Hello to everyone and greetings to the whole Revora Community! I'm completely new here and, as a first post, it will be absolutely great to give my feedback on the very recent update concerning Lothlórien. Particularly, I shall focus my attention on Galadriel, the leader and mightiest hero of the faction. Before I proceed with my own considerations, may I thank RoR for always being keen on listening to anything I suggested with the most open-minded attitude (thank you very much for having considered my proposals about her) and Fredius (he's probably known under other different names here) for having introduced me in the Age of the Ring universe equally.

 

Given my above-mentioned words, I really like the overall result of her set of abilities. I find it well-made, enough unique and fine-tuned with the general tone of the Mod, which, as I grasped, intends not to depart too much from BFME2 in regards of gameplay and strategy; that is, there is still a bit of the atmosphere of the vanilla game. I'm thus going to make a list, so that my considerations will be much more ordered than they would otherwise do in a long wall of text. If you didn't come up yet with suitable icon pictures for each ability, I would like to forward here the ones I deem very fitting for Galadriel and these abilities; I will explain the reasons behind each choice of mine.

 

1. Foresight: There's nothing much to add about it. It's a very natural of a feature of hers. A kind of homage to her renowned exceptional capability of perceiving the thoughts of other people and seeing beyond their intentions (be they Hobbits or Sauron himself). In the latter case, Galadriel referred in the books to her frequent telepathic clashes with Sauron across the vastness of Middle-earth; confrontations from which she always came out victorious. The picture I chose is taken from a scene of the Fellowship of the Ring, when she inspects the minds of the members of the Fellowship.

 

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2. Lady of Lothlórien: Feeding from my past proposal, I would suggest this ability make Galadriel able to temporarily summon a sacred terrain (as the iconic Elven Wood of BFME1), comprising some golden trees and a kind of holy aura around the area of the very terrain. Within it, troops' armour will be enhanced and they will be continuously healed (until the effect wears off). In a conceptual perspective, such feature would be more unique than a common leadership and will bear a very significant meaning. As the one who made her realm a blissful sanctuary, immune to the decay of time, and planted the legendary Mallorn-trees, Galadriel shall thus be able to recreate that pure environment for a brief amount of time on the battlefield. The chosen image is an excerpt from the scene in which the Fellowship reaches Caras Galadhon in the first film; instead of what happens normally, I decided not to focus on the main gigantic tree, but rather on the background (that shows the vast enchanted woods of that realm in all their beauty).

 

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3. Bearer of Nenya: As with Foresight, little could I question in regards of this ability. It's really wonderful how Nenya is finally tied with the physical protection of the faction (structures), as the very Ring of Power (in conjuction with the inner magic of the Lady of Light) prevented Lothlórien from falling and caused the enemies to be repulsed during the three heavy assaults on the Golden Wood, at the time in which the War of the Ring was taking its gravest toll. Tolkien himself stated that no one but Sauron (wielding the One Ring) could have violated those lands and ultimately vanquished Galadriel. Nenya has also the power to slow the passing of time and render things unaltered throughout the centuries. Therefore, all these aspects do represent paramount themes that ought to be taken into account. Including them in the game was simply a very just and lore-accurate of a decision. I think the very graphical display of this ability should be well visible on all buildings affected (a temporary and intense brightness?). The picture I opted for shows the moment when she unveils Nenya to Frodo, in the Extended Edition of the first chapter.

 

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4. Light of Valinor: As a more-than-8000-year-old Noldorin princess from Aman, this is probably the feature that explores in the deepest manner her ancient characterisation and holy nature as a mighty Elf of Valinor, whose hair managed to capture a gleam of the lost light of the Two Trees of Valinor (a legendary legacy which even surpasses the very idea of a legend itself). In the game, it's certainly useful and much characteristic that her magic may serve as a shield from perilous situations. The image below kind of connects with the Undying Lands, for it's the scene when she tells that the Three Rings have ceased to have any effect on Middle-earth, ready to depart forever from the mortal shores.

 

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5. Queen of the Storms: Really, I guess it's definitely logical to end up with such ultimate ability. I like how you kept things quite simple, without the implementation of other intricate alternatives; the presence of the Queen of the Storms gives indeed that BFME2-like touch of the vanilla game, where she also appeared for the first time in this fashion. In Arda, the power to alter the weather according to one's own nature/magic is always regarded as the highest display of might in a hypothetical magical hierarchy (for instance, the perennial weather-perturbation over Mordor, the clouds of ashes that Sauron moves in the War of the Ring and the enchanted climate over Rivendell or the Golden Wood). I hope the Queen of the Storms shall be capable of conjuring proper storms (lightning and thunders). Furthermore, with the arts you dispose of, should this form get its own new model, I'm sure you will do an excellent work; concerning the model, I assume you are going to follow in the footsteps of her dark appearance in LOTR, which symbolises the dreadful essence of the Queen of the Storms much better than Drowned Galadriel from BOTFA would do (although I'm fond of this concept too). As for the icon picture, here it is her terrible look in all its sublime majesty.

 

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These were my opinions on the matter. I hope you will appreciate them and deem my small proposals worthy of being considered. I will try to be enough active in this forum, alongside my moderating duties within the Edain Community. Thank you for the attention  ^_^



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Posted 04 February 2017 - 11:46 PM

I for one am buying what your selling! my only grievance is with the Button image you chose for her Light of Valinor ability, I think the BM should look more like this;   https://s-media-cach...165e1aa4f1d.jpg, but all in all I your post was a good read :thumbsupxd:


Edited by saruman_the_wise, 05 February 2017 - 12:27 AM.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 04:55 AM

Glad to see you here DieWalküre and just as glad to see you approve of Galadriel's powers!

On the note of the Lady of Lothlorien power. I'm really on the fence with giving her a mallorn tree summon power. It's something I had been considering for it but was apprehensive of due to Lorien already having two mallorn summoning powers already. (Through the spellbook) I'm leaning a bit towards Saruman's idea of giving her a specific leadership to heroes, but I haven't decided yet. The name is still technically a placeholder though so it could be easily changed to something more fitting. Buttons we already have taken care of, though I appreciate the work you put into your buttons.

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Anyways, glad once again that you approve and hope to see you around here more.


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Posted 05 February 2017 - 06:56 AM

I hope she doesn't.....I've always found an armored Galadriel to be unbefitting (she's basically a sorceress with extreme power, armor is beneath her imo).


If the team is also not willing to have an armoured Galadriel and her drowned dress in Skirmish, then I request it for Campaign. ;)

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 01:32 PM

Just wanna say welcome to the lion's den Walk! And yes an armoured Galadriel seems fun for the campaign, I agree :).



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 10:09 PM

Thank you all for the kind words and for welcoming me. Dúnedain, if a leadership is what you have in mind, I would say it should thus be characterised by a quite unique effect; I don't know if there already are enough features in the faction with this specific function, but I always regard healing properties as the most interesting (and valuable). Her characterisation as a sorceress would probably require other ideas than the common enhancement of armour or attack, which most of these passive abilities normally grant.

Speaking about the buttons, if I may give my humble advice, I find some of the icon pictures I presented more suitable. Your choice for Foresight is indeed equally good, as the mirror deals with the whole vision theme as well. In regards of Lady of Lothlórien (the hypothetical leadership) my radiant sight of the woods of Lórien would convey the idea of Galadriel's rule (status) over her merry realm; I believe it's a powerful reference. The image showing Nenya gives, in my opinion, the exact idea of purity, thanks to the prevalence of a white-ish tone; it's the very tone that also connects the picture with the diamond-like essence of the Ring of Water. Furthermore, I like the button you came up with concerning Light of Valinor; as Saruman pointed out, although my picture reveals her royal side and is taken from the Grey Havens epilogue, that ethereal representation serves well for the purpose of the ability, since Galadriel is to burst with an intense radiance. At last, albeit being part of the same renowned sequence from LOTR, I think the direct sight of the Queen of the Storms' face in the immediate foreground would be much more impactful in the game. Her expression emanates that supernatural and dreadful aura which is perfectly apt for the context. Look at those eyes. Simply terrible!

The reason why I'm particularly fond of those images is due to the fact that I collected them from the EE HD version of LOTR, in which one can clearly notice that the general photography (all colours and chromatic tones) was rendered brighter and a good deal more vivid than the original. Henceforth, the presence of some of them (particularly, the woods of Lórien and Galadriel's dark expression) might really result in a better graphical outcome for her Palantír. These are obviously my personal views. Feel free to make whatever usage of them. I really fancy how all her most important traits (whether it be from the films or from the lore) are justly condensed by her set of abilities. That sort of simple yet exhaustive touch of the vanilla.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 10:42 PM

Hey, welcome to T3A and the AotR section!

The reason the buttons look the way they do is because I want our buttons to look somewhat stylized, 'button'-esque, game-like, etc. Screenshots, no matter how fitting, are, on their own, not button material. There's no customization or design element going on. In other words: anyone can do it, and I want all of our buttons to be totally unique and really created by us.

For Galadriel's, I took a few screenshots and broke them up, centered important elements, added stylized backgrounds, recolored/brightened/sharpened things, etc. The button of Galadriel pouring water, for instance, is heavily edited from the original image, in which the arm pouring the water and her face are too far apart. So is the one of her 'storm queen' form. Beyond that I look for icons or items associated with each hero to turn into buttons as well, adding new backgrounds (Caras Galadhon in Galadriel's case) and use glows or other contours to focus the audience's attention, etc. Remember, these buttons are extremely small in-game (64x64 pixels), so you have to consciously design them in order to make the right details stand out and draw the eye to what is important.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:40 AM

Ok, I understood your reasons. Thank you for the clarification, Mathijs. The last thing I would like to know: how will her normal attack perform in the game? Is it something like a small-scale blast (typical of a mass-slayer), something recalling when she smashes that Orc into pieces in BOTFA, or something she casts from afar?

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 12:29 PM

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I am glad Lórien has its own faction, as the Galadhrim were isolated from their Mirkwood kin far in the north. The faction looks really unique, I especially the "regional" names, they fit perfectly with their warden-like nature, guardians of their ancestral homes.

 

I also like your ideas Borealis, those are inspirational. The little pictures are top notch too!

 

However, I have a question: I suppose the Elves of Mirkwood will get their own faction: so, how are you going to make them different? Like, perhaps matching a more guerilla/skirmish style, with light armoured units? Anti-monsters batallions? Or with designs from the Hobbit trilogy?


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 01:37 PM

First of all welcome to the forums Elessar_the_King!

 

I think I can answer your question with a quote from Rider of Rohan about the Elven factions in the mod:

 

Lothlorien is pretty much based on the vanilla elven faction in terms of balance, also the faction plan is there to read as well.

Mirkwood will be a relatively weak faction early game with little offensive capability using rangers to defend their base until their mid game which unlocks their heavier troops. Their hero roster is also pretty limited.
Rivendell is quite different, using Dunedain and other troops from Eriador as their starting units until your able to afford the heavier more durable troops from Imladris. Rivendell might have more heroes than the others since it's covering more ground, but the heroes roles are more specific i.e. Halbarad would only give leadership to Dunedain.

 

And yes the units will use the designs from the Hobbit movies :).


Edited by Bashkuga, 06 February 2017 - 01:39 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 01:53 PM

That's good to hear! I always envisonned Mirkwood as a hit-and-run faction, relying heavily on their archers and spearmen to defend their borders.

 

 

Concerning Imladris, it's a perfect balance: so no Eriador's Free People is forgotten. High Elves should indeed be a lot more resilient and experienced, at the cost of the price! (and number of units per batallion too) =) .


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 05:03 PM

Hi !  Will Radagast has the Hobbit movie design or the Shadow and Flame's desing? 



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Posted 07 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

Most likely the Hobbit design.


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:02 AM

I am curious about the siege mechanics for Lórien. They got not much except Ents and Galadriel, but in the books they used Hithlain ropes to cross the rivers. This could be similar to siege ladders. Though I guess animations would be a pain in the **** . 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:10 AM

Hey, for the patrol system i was thinking; for me at least it would feel odd to have lorien elves wandering around the base where they would be vulnerable to attack. Therefore wouldn't make more sense and be unique compared to the other faction if every building of lothlorien was manned with a visible archer from the start? more could be added as the building's level increase and perhaps if possible enable opposing range units to be capable of damaging and even killing the archers (but have them replenished at regular intervals).

 

Or make all or alot of the buildings garrison-able with the garrisoned units visible or you know do whatever the hell you want.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:00 PM

True! Especially Galadhrim were ever watchful, they used their flets to look out for the enemy. 

 

 

Concerning the siege mechanics: 

 

 

Could ropes as a siege engine be made on the SAGE engine? As I've proposed earlier, would that be possible? 


Edited by Elessar_the_King, 15 February 2017 - 01:01 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:08 PM

I don't see how that'd work. There are hardly any walkable walls in the game, so what good would ropes do?


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