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#21 saruman_the_wise

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 01:09 PM

Since the Harondor Archers in Mordor have poison arrows as an upgrade instead of fire arrows why not just make the Harondor Archers used in Mordor and Haradwaith the same unit. This Harondor Archer would be able to upgrade it's self with fire arrows, but also use an ability to fire poison arrows (just like the Moria Goblin Archers).

 

Also I'd suggest mention in the upgrade texts exactly what they do, for example: "Fire to Fire Arrows to increase this hordes damage towards structures by +50% and units by +25%"


Edited by saruman_the_wise, 01 May 2017 - 01:10 PM.


#22 Mathijs

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 08:59 PM

Updated the Harondor Outpost entry.

 

@Saruman - yes, they're supposed to be the same unit.


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#23 FilipGeorg995

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 11:29 AM

Hello :D

The faction plan is good but I would suggest two things:

First because you have stated that the Warlord will be able to recruit 3 free units, I would make him cost around 400/500 resources in order to prevent spaming or disbalance.

Second, in the Harondor Outpost there are two units recruited on higher rank building. For the spearmen, I would propouse to use the description given from Gollum when he is telling the Hobbits about hte marching army that is entering the Black Gate. He is describing them as cruel warriors wearing scarlet and gold thus beign armored with thorn like shields and wearing sharp spears with red endings on the top. About the rank 2 archers, you can make them look like the ones that are mounted on the Mumak's howdah from the third movie. Also, about the tribal axemen, what do you guys think of giving them round shields and epsilon/crescent axes ?

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 12:03 PM

Hello :D
The faction plan is good but I would suggest two things:
First because you have stated that the Warlord will be able to recruit 3 free units, I would make him cost around 400/500 resources in order to prevent spaming or disbalance.
Second, in the Harondor Outpost there are two units recruited on higher rank building. For the spearmen, I would propouse to use the description given from Gollum when he is telling the Hobbits about hte marching army that is entering the Black Gate. He is describing them as cruel warriors wearing scarlet and gold thus beign armored with thorn like shields and wearing sharp spears with red endings on the top. About the rank 2 archers, you can make them look like the ones that are mounted on the Mumak's howdah from the third movie. Also, about the tribal axemen, what do you guys think of giving them round shields and epsilon/crescent axes ?
Best regards,
Filip


Well tbh 400-500 resources for weak units will be too much expensive. As for the unit design suggestions yeah they are nice :)

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 12:47 PM

Hi Filip, welcome to The3rdAge and the AotR community.

 

Unit costs are all placeholder, ballpark guesses. It may well turn out that you're absolutely right.

 

For design: I think we'll be covering most of your suggestions. All Harondor units will look like variations of what we see in RotK and TT, marching with and riding the Mûmakil. That's the design that I decided to name 'Harondor', to create a sense of varying cultural styles and origins. In my AotR head canon, the Mahoud from Far Harad brought their Mûmakil and met up with an organized force of Haradrim from Harondor (led by Suladan) to march to Mordor and onto Minas Tirith.

 

As to the Tribal Axemen, a weapon like THIS could certainly be amongst their arsenal.


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Posted 02 May 2017 - 02:46 PM

Thank you for replying Matjis :D that is absolutely the needed design for the axe! In fact this so called epsilon axe was widely used in bronze age Egypt, Nubia and Palestine. Also regarding the interpretation of the units, it up to you guys to decide their look so we were able in the Two Towers for 4 minutes to have a closer look to the haradrim ( in this case harondor ) army armor/ weapon showcase which fits perfectly for them in meaning of different types of spears and bows. About the Pavilion of the Golden King, what do You think of adding some sort of desert elite unit like the GW "Watchers of Karna" or foot variation of Serpent Guard like in Third Age Total War since this faction already posses ond basic EG/MG cavalry and one LG cavalry unit ? :D

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 05:53 PM

I will try to create the price for all units in this faction thus the needed command points for every unit. Please correct me if something is wrong or too costly/OP :D

 

1. Haradrim Warlord: 320 resource, 45 CP

2. Harondor Raiders: 600 resource, 60 CP

3. Harondor Archers: 550 resource, 72 CP

4. Harondor Spearmen: 450 resource, 60 CP

 

1. Giant Scorpions: 600 resource, 72 CP

2. Half-Troll Marauders: 900 resource, 90 CP ( I would suggest to make them 3 per unit )

3. Risen Carrion: 1000 resource, 80 CP

 

1. Corsairs of Umbar: 350 resource, 60 CP

2. Black Numenorean Warriors: 600 resource, 90 CP

3. Black Numenorean Vanguard: 1200 resource, 90 CP ( could You make them limited to 3 battalions with 5 soldiers ? )

 

1. War Mûmak: 2000 resource, 100 CP

2. Siege Mûmak: 2400 resource, 120 CP ( two weapons in one unit which require higher price :D )

3. Mahoud: 400 resource, 10 CP

 

1. Hasharin: 900 resource, 72 CP ( this unit already requires a lot of investment so because it is single one and thus elite, I would prefer to have a higher price )

 

Best regards,

Filip :D



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Posted 02 May 2017 - 06:12 PM

That seems well thought out. Nice.

 

Regarding further units like Watchers of Karna etc: time will tell. Right now the faction has a ton of units already, so I won't theorize any more. We'll see what gameplay requires once we get there.


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Posted 02 May 2017 - 06:24 PM

http://orig15.devian...ld1-d3aw6co.jpg

Could serve as inspiration for Beruthiel :D



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Posted 02 May 2017 - 06:43 PM

Already got her design covered: https://s-media-cach...72e9f633415.jpg


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#31 FilipGeorg995

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 06:59 PM

Nice one :D I assume that Suladan wouldn't be Salah ad Din from the Third Crusade :D by the way i will upload some pictures of sketches for various units in few minutes :D

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 07:14 PM

http://www.dinksdoll...ages/HPAa_I.jpg

Could serve as Harondor Archer

 

https://upload.wikim...DA_Haradrim.PNG

Tribal Spearmen

 

http://tolkienists.r...r/2/8338638.jpg

Haradrim Warlord or maybe Black Numenorian Warriors

 

http://img15.deviant...kir-d19bjjy.jpg

Caran Lambar

 

http://orig03.devian..._by_merlkir.jpg

Harondor Rider in heavy armor

 

http://orig05.devian...dor-d9tioh1.jpg

Harondor spearmen

 

http://www.mithril.i...k-troll-man.jpg

Half-Trolls

 

http://vignette2.wik...=20120712030735

Suladan



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Posted 02 May 2017 - 07:16 PM

Suladan will look similar to Salahuddin from Kingdom of Heaven, I imagine. Makes finding a portrait reference a lot easier.


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Posted 02 May 2017 - 07:25 PM

Do you like the images that could serve as an inspiration ?

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 07:26 PM

I'll comment later!


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 04:58 AM

Hello  i found some interesting pics about harad.

 

I think this armor and specially his axe/trident will fit very well a hero. (The helmet need to be diferent because elves have a similar one)
http://pre14.deviant...y11-d4joxuv.jpg
 

Helmet (Dragon)

http://t02.deviantar..._by_merlkir.jpg

 

 Sword

http://img12.deviant...aum-db7uabd.jpg


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:48 AM

When you said that the Mahoud will be able to enter the Mumak, do you guys mean to put him on the top of the howdah or like in the films on top the beast's head holding strings attached to it's ears

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:35 PM

Hopefully he'll be on the beast's head.

 

Concerning your designs: I'm probably going to go for something more grounded. The Harondor units will all be based on what we see in the films - I'll pick out distinct variations for each of them (wicker back-pieces for the spearmen, the triangular chest/shoulder armors for the raiders, basic breastplates for the archers), while the Tribesmen will mostly be wearing torn cotton clothes dyed in washed-out reds and blacks, with leather waistbelts and arm straps.


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#39 FilipGeorg995

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 02:32 PM

That seem like a well driven plan :D is there an option to add shields for the Harondor spearmen in order to make a little touch to the descrption given from Gollum ? All in all the desigs are well chosen and personally i like them because the tribesmen are represented as low class population, the Harondor troops as middle class and finally i assume that the Umbar units will be the rich guys due the fact that the city itself is a port and trade centre :D

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:26 PM

http://vignette3.wik...=20131115142407

Something like this perhaps for the Harondor spearmen ?




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