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[Olfi]

A report of Point Push in a game played in Zero Hour has been made against StarFuck (Revora Member VEKSEL) and the adjudicator has found the report to be valid.

The report and the decision may be found on gamereplays here: StarFuck - Point Push - Valid [explain yourself please].
I give StarFuck three clear days to explain himself. If I do not hear from him within that time, the report will be confirmed and a sanction may be imposed. The explanation and any mitigation may be given here or in the report topic on gamereplays.

[ToxicShock]

I have reset StarFuck's ladder stats pending the outcome of this report as I am satisfied that the evidence against him warrants that pending hearing his explanation.

[VEKSEL]

1) My wins counting up and resseting after each time I'm winning. I started topic about it, got zero help, been told it might be server problems but zero information on solution. 

https://forums.revor...etingzero-hour/

This is pretty much extraordinary situation since everyone else getting they wins up after they winning the game, meanwhile I'm getting it +1 and -1 in blink of an eye stucked on 2 wins even tho i won alot of games after those 2 wins. So if statistic working that poor and none can help this is my protest manifest.

 

2)Where's the rule that I can't do such things?

[Leikeze]

I knew that's why you were doing this. I tried to figure out how the wins and losses worked a few years back, and got reported for it as well.

 

The way wins and losses work is like this:

 

If you host a game, doesn't matter what kind of game it is, or what map it is on(so long as the map is official/ReLaX/[NMC]), and you win that game; This will add 1 win to your persona, but if you log out after receiving that win, it will be erased. If you go on to play a second game(which you also hosted), and you win that one, then the first win is permanent, if you lose the game, there is a 50/50 chance the win will be erased.

 

If you join a game, whether you win or lose the game you've joined, there seems to be an 80% chance that only your losses will count; About 1 in 3 or 4 wins count, unless they are consecutive, from games you've joined. 

 

If you want to add wins to your persona, you should use 2 vs 2 maps to do so, as these will not count on the 1 vs 1 ladder, nor the 2 vs 2 ladder, because you are playing with only two players(you and your other PC) on a four player map. Also, as not to waste so much time in doing so, you should just have the loosing player(the nickname that isn't yours) quit after 30 seconds each game; This will also make the game not upload to GenTool. So it's like nothing happened, except that every win(besides the very last one) will count permanently.

Edited by Pomnite, 20 July 2018 - 11:24 PM.

[VEKSEL]

@Pomnite, great work on figuring it out. Your post is brilliant explanation on what was happening with my statistic and it's pretty accurate. I will sure thing get use of your information. 

 

Tho this mechanism is very confusing for newcommer and imo admins should add it to FAQ or something.  

[Leikeze]

@Pomnite, great work on figuring it out. Your post is brilliant explanation on what was happening with my statistic and it's pretty accurate. I will sure thing get use of your information. 

 

Tho this mechanism is very confusing for newcommer and imo admins should add it to FAQ or something.  

The mechanism is broken, that is why the statistics record the way they do. They will not be corrected for a long time to come, or maybe never, but that is okay, as long as you know why there is a problem.

 

Point pushing reports should be taken with a grain of salt in the future.

Edited by Leikeze, 05 December 2019 - 06:41 PM.

[VEKSEL]

I will use your reccomendation to correct my statistc in the future to make sure not interrupting ladder process. Thanks for that again much appreciate your help.

[ToxicShock]

If you want to add wins (other than ladder wins) to your persona, use unranked maps.    If you do what you did with ranked maps, we will treat it as point pushing (because that is what it is).

[VEKSEL]

@ToxicShock What is unranked maps exaclty can you please explain it to me? 

[Leikeze]

If you want to add wins (other than ladder wins) to your persona, use unranked maps.    If you do what you did with ranked maps, we will treat it as point pushing (because that is what it is).

He can use any map he pleases, so long as it isn't a 1 vs 1(2 player) map.

[Khalidadeeb]

not only this leikeze even the ELO had a troubls I played many times in Ranked maps and I won the games and the ELO didn't count the games for me and didn't add points 2 me if played like 10 or 20 games the ELO didn't count anything 2 me when I log out and log in more time the ELO count half games or more 

[ToxicShock]

Ka$$aD has confirmed this report and I must impose a penalty.      I have some sympathy with VEKSEL and some good men have done what you did before they were enlightened (not naming any names). Still, I did tell you that the ladder statistics would record before you did this.

 

If you mean the ordinary stats (not the ladder stats), then that is a known issue. The core part of the server can provide the wrong profile numbers to the game clients so their stats don't record properly (the stats server can only record what the games tell it to record). We don't know why that happens and have not made much progress in finding out. Ladder stats work differently so that does not happen and those should record accurately.

 

See here

 

I have already reset your stats for this month.      Giving you credit for the fact that you did come here to explain,  I am going to ban you from the ladder for the month of August.   You should consider yourself quite lucky.    

 

StarFuck Ladder Banned for the month of August 2018

[VEKSEL]

For two month on Revora 20 people friended me ingame. I don't want to be a bad example for them as other do.

[Achul]

I knew that's why you were doing this. I tried to figure out how the wins and losses worked a few years back, and got reported for it as well.

 

The way wins and losses work is like this:

 

If you host a game, doesn't matter what kind of game it is, or what map it is on(so long as the map is official/ReLaX/[NMC]), and you win that game; This will add 1 win to your persona, but if you log out after receiving that win, it will be erased. If you go on to play a second game(which you also hosted), and you win that one, then the first win is permanent, if you lose the game, there is a 50/50 chance the win will be erased.

 

If you join a game, whether you win or lose the game you've joined, there seems to be an 80% chance that only your losses will count; About 1 in 3 or 4 wins count, unless they are consecutive, from games you've joined. 

 

If you want to add wins to your persona, you should use 2 vs 2 maps to do so, as these will not count on the 1 vs 1 ladder, nor the 2 vs 2 ladder, because you are playing with only two players(you and your other PC) on a four player map. Also, as not to waste so much time in doing so, you should just have the loosing player(the nickname that isn't yours) quit after 30 seconds each game; This will also make the game not upload to GenTool. So it's like nothing happened, except that every win(besides the very last one) will count permanently.


 

I'm just browsing these forums a bit since I'm a new member and holy shit guys how haven't you fixed this yet? I made a thread about it recently. How can it be so messed up? Never heard of a game in my life that has this kind of weird issue that can't be traced or understood and that seems to be extremely random.

[Achul]

If you want to add wins (other than ladder wins) to your persona, use unranked maps.    If you do what you did with ranked maps, we will treat it as point pushing (because that is what it is).

That doesn't make any sense at all to me as a newbie? Are there two seperate rankings or something and only the "ranked" one gives you points on the main ladder as well? Like the 1v1 and 2v2 ladders?

How do I check other peoples position on this ladder who aren't in top 10?
Why do you even have this ladder if it's like really difficult to get games going around it considering CnC itself seems to only list the persona wins and losses?

[ToxicShock]

You can get the stats and ladders from here; http://www.shatabrick.com/cco/zh/

[Achul]

Ye I saw that and that site is clear as day but why isn't there just a general ELO for people that comes up if the whole persona thing is so broken for unknown reasons?

I was kinda chocked to see so many people online with ratios that looked like 15/50 but now I get why and it's just crazy lol. Hard to make a fair game.
Gentools is in version 7.7, can't believe it's not fixed Like I know, it is a free project, I should be happy, etc etc. But it's just such a massive error that I don't understand why it's not been fixed.