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[Mathijs]

Whoa, dude. Sex with a corpse?

[Beowulf]

When did i say dressing in an animal suit for sex was any less weird then leather and gimp masks?

You didn't but the point is that people have different fetishes and things that get them off. Doesn't really matter what it is so long as it's between consenting adults.

You are also putting words in my mouth, and assuming am im implying things, when everything i am implying has been expressed directly in writing, you are reading to much into things trying to find hidden meanings that aren't there.

You can lie all you want and say it's not there, but it really is. You may not have meant it but that's how it comes off.

No where have i used text implying any disgust/contempt for furries, the closest to that would be me saying:

But some stuff to do with furries that i have heard about/seen takes it beyond strange into just... well, not right.

my opinion that some things i have seen/heard about relating to furries are just messed up is right.

Messed up. Just cause i think Some Things Some furries do is messed doesn't mean i have a deep seeded hatred for them and think they are evil and am disgusted by them and feel they are less because of it.

You don't have to say it outright to have that implication. Everything you've said has felt as though you have a lot of contempt for someone who is different!

Weird does not mean bad, do you think i would call myself 'some_badGuy'?

What, exactly, does your name have to do with this? It's not relevant. Besides, it's highly likely you're not even "weird."

weird can be cool, weird can just be odd, just cause i think something is weird/bizzare/strange/odd even messed up, doesn't mean i dont like someone because of it, doesn't even mean i dont like it.

Then shut the hell up!

i personally might not do that sort of thing.

Then don't but don't think I'm this "strange guy" because I have fun in the bedroom. -_-

I even went to the trouble to say i have nothing against furries, why would i bother saying that if i was disgusted by them, and held them in contempt?

You haven't said that up until now. Not once. Now you backpedal.

if i felt that way i would say i think furries are gross or retarded or stupid or something

The power of language and linguistics is undeniable.

Hell, segway, one of my best friends, is a furry!

And?

I mean, seriously, Woop de-do, some people are weird-o's, good for them, im fine with (surprisingly, considering my account name) being fairly normal.

That's not a big deal. That's perfectly fine but don't hide behind it and use that as an excuse to begin labeling other people.

I dont act like a complete oddball, doesn't mean im a mindless drone or repressed individual,

Actually, yeah. It kinda does.

I admit, i perfer to not make myself a target for less tolerant people.

Then you have no spine.

I am fine with acting like most other people,

Drone.

i dont have to go out on some wild tangent to feel special

I don't either. HOWEVER, I don't like being shit on either.

doesn't make you mindless just because you aren't part of a out-there minority group.

Not entirely but it usually does.

Maybe i dont really see why you would do 'that sort of stuff' that that group does
(like emos wearing make-up and cutting themselves, or big time anime fans dressing up as/acting like their favourite characters and otherwise acting oddly, or yes, even furries being into anthro-humans and all the things associated with that)

Cosplay is nothing but fandom. Does it really make a difference? It's just part of what they're into.

And beo, do you know what plushophillia is? Its more then just a sexual kink like latex, plushopillia is where you have sexual feelings towards stuffed animals... so are you sure you are sorta one?

I know what it is and yeah, I do. What of it?

But gesh, im begining to regret ever posting in this topic.

Ha.

being made out like i hate furries and im getting what i deserve.

You kinda brought that on yourself.

I started feeling sorta sad for Beo that he comes in here and feels he needs to insult and personally attack me trying to defend something he believes in, when i have not even tried to be hostile or mean in any way, nor even opposed it in any way.

Dude, you insulted me. Well not specifically but it was still insulting.

So you think furries are not strange?
That they are the social norm amoung the worlds population?
no? then they are strange, weird, different... they are not aligned with what is considered 'normality'

Half of the population, maybe more, is not aligned with "normality." That's fast becoming a dead, archaic concept in this day and age. People are finally, once again, exploring with sexuality and kinks, and shit like that and it's beginning to blur that line of normality.

You seem to still be under the impression that strange and bad mean the same thing. They do not, stop confusing the two...

You rounded it out that way. May not have been your intent but it was seemingly presented in that manner.

@ beo: And I cant even tell why I became furry in the first place even though it wasn't long ago.

I've been one for a very long time but it never really clicked until about a year and a half ago. Some things finally made sense and it's been great ever since.

@ swg's and beo's flame war: LOL!

Hardly one. You haven't seen a real flame war with me in it.

[Mathijs]

You know, you should probably stop calling people with more mainstream sexual preferences ''drones''. It makes you look like a persecution-complex ridden tool.

[Hostile]

IMO. I think people with a fetish like that has some serious emotional issues. You can't look yourself in the mirror and call yourself normal anymore than people who wear latex and enjoy sex.

You can do it, but don't think average people will understand. It's like someone who is lost in a childlike fantasy and a comic book.

It's fucking weird. That's all there is to it and all the words you spout isn't gonna change average peoples opinions. It's fucking weird dude.

[some_weirdGuy]

Alrighty then. I'm staying out of the flame war that has two people pretending they aren't flaming each other. What it amounts to right now is "I'm not insulting you, I'm fine with what you're doing" and "No! I'm the one who's not insulting anyone!" tongue.gif

??
Point out to me where i have called beo anything along the lines of moronic dolt, asshole, uneducated idiot, etc etc.
Anything that may have been considered insulting by me has not been targeted at a person. The worste i have said is some thing some furries do is messed up, and saying that beo is the one coming across as an asshole as a way of turning his own insult against him as an attempted device of persuasion.

Beo never said he wasn't insulting anyone, as he is not stupid enough to call me an asshole and say he isn't insulting me. So only one half of your example is correct. If i too had degressed into name calling then i would consider it a flame war.

Also, Rav, sex with a corpse is messed up, just like sex with an animal. Oh, on that subject Beo, i searched up the difference between zoophillia and bestiality, and they both led to the same page, or had things such as "zoophillia, (also known as Bestiality)", so it seems they are the same thing.

You didn't but the point is that people have different fetishes and things that get them off. Doesn't really matter what it is so long as it's between consenting adults.

Yes, it doesn't matter, but that does not change that fact that some fetishes* are odd, or even messed up. Doesn't mean i hate someone because of it, or think any less of them, It just means that i think it is weird and therefore they are weird for wanting to do it. again remembering that weird and bad are not the same.

*(many fetishes actually, the word fetish in a sexual context means 'the sexual arousal brought on by objects, situations or body parts not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature', so things that dont normally turn people on... turning people on)

You can lie all you want and say it's not there, but it really is. You may not have meant it but that's how it comes off.

You are adamant i am lying, yet then go to say that i wasn't lying but it felt to you like i hated furries. Thats a bit contradictory, but i assure you, again, that i have nothing against furries, doesn't mean i dont think they aren't weird, cause they are, lots of things are weird, But thinking they are weird and hating them are two completely different things.

You don't have to say it outright to have that implication. Everything you've said has felt as though you have a lot of contempt for someone who is different!

I dont though! i dont have contempt for people that are different. It may come as a surprise for you after you have placed my in the category of unaccepting dickheads, but i am a nice person. I am not mean to people, even if they are annoying or weird or even complete retards. The 'nerds' at school, who everyone picks on, i dont do that, im nice to them, even when they are annoying to me(such as being really immature and.. for example poking me while in an incredibly stupid baby voice saying "poke, poke, hey i am poking you, poke") i could easily snap at them and be mean like everyone else, but im not, i stay polite and friendly asking them to stop poking me or whatever, and they usually do.
People in the special education block, im not mean to them either.

Not to brag or anything but i am a very nice person. Sure with some of those kids i walk away thinking "why would you act like that? wtf", doesn't mean i will pick on them, or even not like them because of it. I dont like it when people bully other people, you are allowed to not like someone, doesn't mean you have to pick on them. If you really dont like them then just stay away, instead of making them feel bad for no reason other then because they are different.

What, exactly, does your name have to do with this? It's not relevant. Besides, it's highly likely you're not even "weird."

Oh, my name had to do with it cause i was saying weird/strange/odd/etc and you were associating that with bad. And admittedly i am not actually that weird, although sometimes when i say things or do things or whatever and some people are just like 'wtf?', but im actually fairly mature and act pretty normal... i think.

You haven't said that up until now. Not once. Now you backpedal.

Post #47

I dont really have anything against furries

Post #57

Like i said, im sure not all furries are messed up, some are just odd individuals

Post #60

there is really nothing wrong(although personally i would never do those things myself) with people like that.

Post #66

Dispite how much you are trying to make it seem like i im saying otherwise, what i have said from the very beginning here is:
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I dont really have anything against furries, seen as i only know 1 in real life, who i dont really count as a proper furry.
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Like i said, im sure not all furries are messed up, some are just odd individuals

Post #71

Almost as amazing as your talent for ignoring when i say i dont have a problem with furries...

Post #76

I even went to the trouble to say i have nothing against furries,

And?

and, so why would i hate my best friend?

That's not a big deal. That's perfectly fine but don't hide behind it and use that as an excuse to begin labeling other people.

Thats a bit rich coming from you, labeling me as not only a mindless drone, repressed individual and uneducated dolt, but also a moron and an asshole. Also Matias is right with his last comment, while we are on the subject.

Then you have no spine.

no, it means i like making my life easier and dont enjoy fighting with people, also i dont want to be overly odd in one way or another, either because its just embarrassing or i dont see the appeal in it (not talking about just being a furry here, talking about anything, like using an example from before, an emo, or any number of other things)

I know what it is and yeah, I do. What of it?

Its weird, you have to admit it. Sexual feelings for a stuffed animal, not only is it an animal, but it is also a stuffed animal. Strange without doubt.

Dude, you insulted me. Well not specifically but it was still insulting.

well im sorry, but as you even said, it wasn't meant to be an insult to you. And it is strange, you cant really deny that many things furries do are weird.

I don't either. HOWEVER, I don't like being shit on either.

well... good for you. I dont see what this has to do with anything though?

Cosplay is nothing but fandom. Does it really make a difference? It's just part of what they're into.

yeah, but i mean they really weird people, for example in primary school there was this kid called Theodor, and he would act very strangely like run with his hands out behind him making odd noises like he was pretending to be a rocket ship or something, and would go on about how goku from dragon ball z was his real father. This wasn't at the beginning of primary school, this was year 7 right before he left, and i have heard that he is still the same now.

So they are weird. And related to my point before, even if i had really had much contact with Theodor, i wouldn't be mean to him just cause he acts weird.

Half of the population, maybe more, is not aligned with "normality." That's fast becoming a dead, archaic concept in this day and age. People are finally, once again, exploring with sexuality and kinks, and shit like that and it's beginning to blur that line of normality.

Normality is what the majority makes it, weird/strange/odd/etc is contrary to this norm. If most people were furries then that would be considered the norm. On that concept, would you think yourself a drone if most other people were also furries? Thats just a reverse of the current situation, yet i doubt you would think yourself a mindless drone.

You rounded it out that way. May not have been your intent but it was seemingly presented in that manner.

Well it was not my intent.

On that note can you help me then? This is an issue i dont want to repeat, so could you point out where what i have said lead you to this misconception of me holding furries in contempt? maybe examples of how i could better word some of the things i have said so that you would not have mistaken them?

and enjoy sex.

I thought everyone enjoys sex? i think i understand that you mean people who enjoy sex while in latex, but just how you worded that made it seem like you were saying people who wear latex are weird, and people who enjoy sex are weird.

((whoa, massive wall of text... ))

[segwayrulz]

Oh, on that subject Beo, i searched up the difference between zoophillia and bestiality, and they both led to the same page, or had things such as "zoophillia, (also known as Bestiality)", so it seems they are the same thing.

I wonder what images your found

so why would i hate my best friend?

yay, bestie *elbows you*

Half of the population, maybe more, is not aligned with "normality." That's fast becoming a dead, archaic concept in this day and age. People are finally, once again, exploring with sexuality and kinks, and shit like that and it's beginning to blur that line of normality.

I would say that 90% of the population is normal actually.

yeah, but i mean they really weird people, for example in primary school there was this kid called Theodor, and he would act very strangely like run with his hands out behind him making odd noises like he was pretending to be a rocket ship or something, and would go on about how goku from dragon ball z was his real father. This wasn't at the beginning of primary school, this was year 7 right before he left, and i have heard that he is still the same now.

LOL hes not the same now, hes more normalish. but good work for mentioning theodor

[Rattuskid]

But Furry porn, messed up
Beastiality, messed up
zoopillia(since apparently they are different), messed up
plushopillia, messed up
other sexual type things relating to animals, such as writing erotic animal stories, messed up

This is an extremely dangerous line of reasoning. You judge the value of a fetish specifically by how different it is or 'weird', rather than whether or not it's actually damaging. This leads to a muddling where you seem to classify two conscenting adults fucking in fursuit as equivalent to actual animal rape.

I have to ask this, and I don't want to sound like I'm condescending or speaking to you like you're a child but...

Do you understand why people go to prison for pedophilic pornography, but don't go to prison for bondage porn?

I should hope the base distinction is so obvious, the societal implications so stark, that it's a cakewalk to answer the question... but every now and then I met someone just closed minded enough that they fail to determine a distinction, and thus cheapen actually destructive life-ruining behavior with just any other bizarre 'kink'.

So do you understand it?

[segwayrulz]

Do you understand why people go to prison for pedophilic pornography, but don't go to prison for bondage porn?

I do because they are innocent children, not other adults.

[some_weirdGuy]

No, i never mentioned sex in fursuits in that list there. Its bizarre no doubt that, but not really 'messed up', just like latex is strange, but its not messed up till it gets to people in latex preforming erotic torture and stuff. Messed up for me means strange in a very severe sense.

Animal rape is wrong, and messed up. Why would you want to have sex with an animal? It is highly unusual and i honestly dont see the attraction. Then again i dont really see the attraction some men have for men.... guys aren't hot, why would you like dudes? Women are attractive, but guys aren't. So i guess its on of those things that you have to be one of them to understand it. (No, i am not hating on gays now, dont go thinking i am)

And its because pedophilia is illegal, they are children for christ stake! They aren't allowed to consent, even if they honestly wanted to pose for pornography without any influencing from an adult convincing them to do so.

Adults however can consent, because they are adults. Sex is for adults and not little kids, and if some people want to do strange sexual things then thats their business really, unless the individuals involved were unwilling and therefore forced (raped).

Then it becomes police business.
As you said, exploiting a child can ruin their life, more so then an adult who, while it can still be just as damaging, are better equipt to cope and are acctualy sexually, mentally and emotionally mature enough to decide weather or not they want to.

I wonder what images your found tongue.gif

i didn't image search, just dictionary sites and wikipedia search. I was very careful

Edited by some_weirdGuy, 26 April 2009 - 10:54 AM.

[Vortigern]

Hey SWG, wasn't there that big mess in Australia a while back when some 7-year-old girl posed naked for an art magazine and your Prime Minister said it was disgraceful and the little girl told him to keep the fuck out of her business? I seem to recall that being hilarious, and helping to disprove your point. Children are quite capable of understanding what they're doing and it's little more than condescending and contemptuous of them for adults to simply assume they don't understand. I see no problem with paedophilia as long both parties give consent. I am entirely against the concept of a legal minimum age to have sex. Puberty hits people at different times and you can't put a limit on personal development.

The variety of paedophilia you're thinking of is child rape, which is entirely different. By its very nature, rape must be non-consensual from at least one involved party, regardless of age. I think the main problem we have here is a society which tries too hard to shelter its youth. In medieval times it was common for girls to be married and have children by 14 or 15, but now it is illegal for them even to attempt it. Girls are no less able to deal with problems now, or rather, they wouldn't be any less able had society not coddled them into believing whatever rubbish people felt like stuffing down their throats. (Innuendo very much intended.)

[Mathijs]

Just because kids are able to make their own decisions doesn't mean they are the RIGHT decisions, and don't you realise children are very, very easily influenced, hence making their decisions not really theirs anyway. Kids shouldn't fuck grown men, period.

[Spectre]

scat fetish?

I'm the SCATMAN!

I'm sorry, but I just had to. On a more serious note. Wow.. Just wow.

EDIT: Shut up you two, quit your bitching and sucking your own damn thumbs.

Edited by Durandel, 26 April 2009 - 04:00 PM.

[Rattuskid]

I see no problem with paedophilia as long both parties give consent.

And he's single, ladies!

[Rafv Nin IV]

I am entirely against the concept of a legal minimum age to have sex.

I am fifteen. I believe myself perfectly capable of deciding such things for myself, and felt just as sure two years ago.

I will also make the comment that I am not average. I know that I am wider read, more intelligent, and better at making decisions than many of my peers. Many of my peers lack the brains to make an educated decision on such things.

Most of these people will remain idiots until the day they die. People that are stupid and easily malleable at fifteen are stupid and easily malleable at thirty. That's why elections in America are nothing more than a gigantic looks-and-popularity contest. These people do not "grow out" of their ineptitude.

That being said, three years ago I may have been every bit as fast with mathematics, near as swift a reader--but three years ago, my "political views" amounted to whatever my mother and father thought, and while I had discarded Christianity I had not formed the philosophy that currently governs my life. I may not have been stupid; I was still easily malleable. A child does not reach the ability to independently govern until adolescence, when the parent (in the wilds of Africa) would wean the child from protection and require responsibility. By age sixteen, the process has neared completion in the majority of cases, and so I do think the age of consent ought to be lowered to sixteen. Below that, the process of individualization has not completed in most cases.

[Beowulf]

IMO. I think people with a fetish like that has some serious emotional issues.

Why? Because I like something different?

You can't look yourself in the mirror and call yourself normal anymore than people who wear latex and enjoy sex.

Yes I can and I do, but only when I'm not having more fun in the bedroom than you are.

That's all there is to it and all the words you spout isn't gonna change average peoples opinions. It's fucking weird dude.

And I'm supposed to care what you think why?

[Spectre]

No, i never mentioned sex in fursuits in that list there. Its bizarre no doubt that, but not really 'messed up', just like latex is strange, but its not messed up till it gets to people in latex preforming erotic torture and stuff. Messed up for me means strange in a very severe sense.

If such is right, then let me lead you here. Furries aren't the only ones.

Animal rape is wrong, and messed up. Why would you want to have sex with an animal? It is highly unusual and i honestly dont see the attraction. Then again i dont really see the attraction some men have for men.... guys aren't hot, why would you like dudes? Women are attractive, but guys aren't. So i guess its on of those things that you have to be one of them to understand it. (No, i am not hating on gays now, dont go thinking i am)

So you're calling yourself repulsive? Don't try and make others feel bad. Gays are like you, they just have different preferences, you can't justify anything being different/messed up/wrong.

And its because pedophilia is illegal, they are children for christ stake! They aren't allowed to consent, even if they honestly wanted to pose for pornography without any influencing from an adult convincing them to do so.

I have to agree since Child Rape does affect a child psychologically.

Adults however can consent, because they are adults. Sex is for adults and not little kids, and if some people want to do strange sexual things then thats their business really, unless the individuals involved were unwilling and therefore forced (raped).

No and no. Sex is for anyone who is capable of Reproduction, that is what Sex is (What a SHOCKING Discovery!), Sex if just a slang term for it. You defy your own words, you say it's your on business, but in the main argument you're completely opposing yourself.

Then it becomes police business.
As you said, exploiting a child can ruin their life, more so then an adult who, while it can still be just as damaging, are better equipt to cope and are acctualy sexually, mentally and emotionally mature enough to decide weather or not they want to.

Wrong, no matter how old you get, if you're raped, trauma won't magically disappear if your older.

IMO. I think people with a fetish like that has some serious emotional issues.

Sexual Preference doesn't have anything to do with Emotional status.

Why? Because I like something different?

Read my above statement.

You can't look yourself in the mirror and call yourself normal anymore than people who wear latex and enjoy sex.

You can't justify that, I could probably pick out certain flaws of yours I think are flaws and isolate you as something inhuman, individuality is in everyone, it's just a matter of how much it shows.

I have a massive obsession of Female Breasts. I resent it, but it's part of me. Am I now less human being or normal than I was before?

Yes I can and I do, but only when I'm not having more fun in the bedroom than you are.

What's with all the god damn "fun in the bedroom"? Furries aren't just sex toys, why the bloody hell do you think they have conventions?

That's all there is to it and all the words you spout isn't gonna change average peoples my opinions. It's fucking weird dude.

You don't represent the common people, don't act like you do.

And I'm supposed to care what you think why?

Because it leads to dictatorship, Nazi.

Edited by Durandel, 27 April 2009 - 01:39 AM.

[segwayrulz]

Hey SWG, wasn't there that big mess in Australia a while back when some 7-year-old girl posed naked for an art magazine and your Prime Minister said it was disgraceful and the little girl told him to keep the fuck out of her business? I seem to recall that being hilarious, and helping to disprove your point.

well ill answer this one. actually she did pose with her own consent because it was just imagery, he didnt rape her or anything just took picture (which is still kinda wrong). also I don't think that its wrong for 14-15-16 year olds because we DO know what we are doing!

as for me being furry im now officially planning to wear a fursuit to my semi-formal later this year

[some_weirdGuy]

@ Vort. I think it was an art exhibit, and what segway said about it. Except im pretty sure the artist influenced that girl to do it. Not like some girl would walk up to an artist and be like 'hey, take pictures of me naked'.

And i am all for oppressing kids right to sex, i still think sex is for adults, and adults old enough and mature enough to
1) make the choice responsibly
2) be able to look after a child should they end up getting pregnant.
Think about it, a 14 year old(or even younger) who is sexually mature still would be in trouble trying to look after/raise a child, complications would be inescapable, much more so then an adult with a child.

@ Dur. You aren't really making much sense with most of what you have said.

If such is right, then let me lead you here. Furries aren't the only ones.

Furries aren't the only ones? what? aren't the only ones what? this makes no sense in the context of what you have said, provided and quoted.

So you're calling yourself repulsive? Don't try and make others feel bad. Gays are like you, they just have different preferences, you can't justify anything being different/messed up/wrong.

what?? again there seems to be no 'method to your madness'. Calling myself repulsive? what? make others feel bad? eh? i 'cant justify' someone who is different to me being different? so they are different to me but i cant 'justify this'? what?

And messed up/wrong? I never said gays were wrong messed up, i said animal rape is messed up and wrong. Meaning wrong, and very strange. Animal rape, not gays, animal rape.

No and no. Sex is for anyone who is capable of Reproduction, that is what Sex is (What a SHOCKING Discovery!), Sex if just a slang term for it. You defy your own words, you say it's your on business, but in the main argument you're completely opposing yourself.

first part, see @vort bit,
second part... ????? again you persist in making no sense. Am i the only one who is finding his whole post quite confusing?

Wrong, no matter how old you get, if you're raped, trauma won't magically disappear if your older.

while it can still be just as damaging,

I put that in there for a reason

I have a massive obsession of Female Breasts. I resent it, but it's part of me.

lol, seems like you are playing the old
"what would you say your biggest flaw is?"
"well, my biggest flaw is that i work to hard"
card

Because it leads to dictatorship, Nazi.

Again... ?????????

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Well Dur, it has certainly been a... perplexing experience, i am not trying to sound rude or anything like that with the post above, please dont take it as anything other then it is meant to be. Maybe explain better so that us uneducated, moronic, mindless drones can understand?

[segwayrulz]

Okay Durandel I dont know why people complain about my bad english when surely your's is worse.
*looks at durandel* "YOUR A SPEDMUFFIN!"

okay enough flaming in this topic please.

Damit im waiting for that person to reply about making my suit!!

[Ash]

This thread rocks. Intolerance vs persecution complex. It's the ultimate showdown.