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[Natus]

Thats somewhat twisted and simplistic generalistion. To claim might is an awnser, and we owe alot to US military power is an insult to those who work to make and preserve peace without bloodshed. I dont care about patriotism or petty bashing, but the idea of might beats the mind fucks me off. Its pathetic and moronic.

[Chronologic]

I'm English-German and not proud at all of my heritage at all. I only happened to be born here, it's not like I care for Bush, Blair or Hussein. When I see American backed and enforced sanctions cripple a first world country in a third world mudhole with a crust of first worlder smugglers and military officers though, I see a world that needs a big dose of sanity in the those who make the policies.

Although, I don't blame Bush for what he's done, after all, he's only doing what's best for his political allies and him.

Edited by Chronologic, 16 July 2004 - 10:27 PM.

[Beowulf]

@Spiral:
*applauds for honesty* Very nice. Glad you see it our way.

@Ali:
I swear, you are a fucking moron. Not all people in this country are hicks. I am not, my brother is not, my friends are not. The people in the South comprise 95% of the hick/redneck population in this country. And no they wouldn't laugh at you, they'd probably be in awe of your foriegn-ness. People here have a slight attraction to foreign people. Most of the population reside in large cities like Los Angeles and New York.

The Florida recounts were Gore just pissing and moaning.

@Ali 2:
You really are that stupid, aren't you? You really are a fucking idiot. We have something called the FCC that monitors the media. They declare regulations on what can and cannot be said on broadcast television; this excludes premium channels. If you're going to make a statement, learn something first.

@ComradeJ:
Actully we have about 12 parties here. Most of them, around 9, are totally ignore as they lack proper funding. We have the ability to vote for lots of candidates but Republicans and Democrats get the majority of the votes since they, here's a big word for you, ADVERTISE.

@Natus:
Those who make peace without bloodshed are PUSSIES. It's a nice idea now and then but it can get you killed. Sometimes you have to go in with guns a-blazin to get the job done. Politely asking a maniac to comply will get you nowhere.

Edited by Fenring, 19 July 2004 - 10:13 PM.

[Destroyer]

Those who make peace without bloodshed are PUSSIES. It's a nice idea now and then but it can get you killed. Sometimes you have to go in with guns a-blazin to get the job done. Politely asking a maniac to comply will get you nowhere.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

But you also have to remember that going in "with guns a-blazin" isnt the best way of doing it.

[Natus]

Thank you Fen, for the most bullshit responce I have ever laid eyes on. Ive seen Ali make better replies. You think peace is for pussies, well, how do I say this politely, go fuck yourself. Your an arrogant prick.

[Beowulf]

If I may, repeat what I said: And I quote, "It's a nice idea now and then but it can get you killed. Sometimes you have to go in with guns a-blazin to get the job done. Politely asking a maniac to comply will get you nowhere."

Don't misconstrue my words. Read them beofe you make a reply. You're showing ignorance, you surprise me Natus. If you hate the fucking truth, that's fine. Continue your petty stupidity; fine by me.

Peace is lovely, such a nice thing. But sometimes, it DOES NOT WORK. I'm sure you can attest to that.

One last thing, my arrogance is only surpassed by your stupidity.

Edited by Fenring, 20 July 2004 - 04:17 AM.

[Deathblow Luc]

If 'Battling' don't get too personal. Just keep a nice humourous atmosphere.

^^

Just remember, try not to take things personally.

[Hostile]

I have to side wth Fenring on this one. I've read so many of your opinions here. What I notice is, you people from outside the USA talk like you even know how our system works. I've tried to listen in patience.

This has gone on too long. I'm tired of hearing foriegners talk about things about the US. I hear you say things about the way our government works and this and that.

I hear people talk about us being stupid rednecks, well some of us are, there's alittle redneck in every race around the world who works under the sun.

I hear about George Bush screwed everything up. Well Sorry to tell you, the president of the US is just like every other world leader...a mascot backed by money. What country isn't?

I don't see any other country around the world even trying to lead in any direction at all. Should we just shut up and sit here while the rest of the world goes to nothing. GEE, is europe gonna lead the world in anything besides showing us how to sit back and do nothing.

Let's also understand, I'm 1st generation American. Family is from Germany. But I also understand Europe isn't doing SH IT without alittle poking in the ribs from America. Europe should be ashamed by going from world dominance to "I don't care what happens attitiude. "

~Hostile

P.S. Let the world be afraid if we decide to do nothing like the europeans have chosen to do...

(EDIT) After reading the other page now I REALLY have something to say. Natus, Banshee, I would never disrespect you or your country, yet you have me. Remember you're not talking about the TV. Some of us are americans. I find it insulting that you classify us as all some kinda tyrant. We are just like everyone else, we get up go to work (some of us) and go home t our girls.

Edited by Hostile, 20 July 2004 - 06:30 AM.

[chemical ali]

@ Fen How do you know the media isnt censored and why is peace for pussies, I know your countrys president is a war lord-oil barron dictator that ignores what happens in other parts of the World, have you seen 'Farenheit 9/11@ you proberly did'nt cos 'its un-patriotic' it tells alot about the US Regime.

[Beowulf]

@ Fen How do you know the media isnt censored and why is peace for pussies, I know your countrys president is a war lord-oil barron dictator that ignores what happens in other parts of the World, have you seen 'Farenheit 9/11@ you proberly did'nt cos 'its un-patriotic' it tells alot about the US Regime.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

My media IS censored and I explained why: the FCC. If you would take the time to READ my posts, you would have known that and I don't know, inferred it. I did not say peace was for pussies. Let me quote, YET AGAIN, what I said: and I quote, "Those who make peace without bloodshed are PUSSIES." (Probably not the best choice of words) Peace is a great idea; that's all it is, an idea. True peace can never be achieved by any means or methods; we can simply stem the tide of violence.

Yes, I have seen Farenheit 9/11. It was the biggest piece of anti-Bush, propagandist bullshit I have ever watched. It was a waste of my $8. The bias was astounding, not to mention pathetic and misplaced. Why this is allowed in theaters is beyond even my far-reaching grasps of logic.

Another thing, you don't know shit about about my President. You wish you did but alas, you do not so piss off.

[chemical ali]

So what did you think of the bloodshed in that of hangers full of flag draped dead soldiers and of the truck of dead Iraqi civillians, sure the British did some bad things but we were acuatlly welcome into Basra with flowers not with RPGS and AK-47 bullets, the point is the war has made a prosperous 1st World Country into a 3rd World one.

[Beowulf]

Since when was Iraq properous? It seems to me they were dirt poor before and they're dirt poor now. I see very little evidence of being first world.

The enemy desrves no special treatment. The Iraqi soldiers tried to kill our boys so what do you expect? You weren't there; you have no comprehension of their mental state.

The Civilians were being taken off to be buried most likely. Looks are full of deceptions but I doubt you'd have known that already.

[Allied General]

so breaking human geneva rights when USA has apparantly created "democracy is rite" the american army and its policies sickens me to the core. They screw up in Vietnam and the "justification" for the A-Bomb on the japanese lead to a good 50 years of so of wondering if we were gonna die from nuclear winter.

I have no problem with Americans, its your policies and impressions on the world. You cannot be neutral (looks at Middle East crisis) and you act like you are policemen to the world.

Also the WMD farce was a JOKE none were ever found, Bush and Blair say it was good to kick Saddam out so how come your government didn't do it like 12 years ago! Donald Rumsfield even shook Saddam hands.

Edited by Allied General, 20 July 2004 - 10:14 AM.

[Ash]

Might I bring this thread around to where it's began...just for a moment.

Spence was pissed because the country and its general people were being bashed. He never said anything about the politicians.

Yeah, God knows I agree with everyone that Bush is an imperialistic pig. But I don't take one dicksniffer in power to count for the whole populace, because I know better.

Just 'cause Blair sucks doesn't mean there aren't any nice Brits...I can't say I've met many, but it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Besides, you cannot blame a country's citizen for what his government did.

Ya can't blame Spence for Vietnam. Or Fen, or even TUR. Blame Kennedy and his successors up until Nixon for that. And blame the Congresses (pl? =/) at the time.
Did the general public get a say in said war? Or in Iraq? Or in any other goddamn war the USA has stuck its jackboot into? Did they bollocks.

Same as we aren't getting a say in whether England joins the EU. Yknow why? Because DEMOCRACY DOES NOT EXIST. EVER. Democracy basically is Communism, ie, nobody in power, everyone with an equal say in the country's running. AND I DON'T SEE ANY HAMMERS AND SICKLES FLYING.
Does anyone else see where I'm coming from? Because it's really getting on my nerves how one person can be bashed for the way his or her political leader actually behaves. They come in with their false promises of making things better, but what happens? Things get worse. That's the way it's always been, that's the way it always will be. So I stand by what I said in the beginning that the American people themselves shouldn't be bashed, even though they voted him in, because how the hell were they supposed to know he was a warmonger? Oh yes let me go grab my goddamn crystal ball...

The US GOVERNMENT makes laws unto itself. NOT the US PEOPLE. They just get shepherded along by the GOVERNMENT. Same as the British people do by their GOVERNMENT. And the French by theirs, and the Spanish by theirs and the Dutch by theirs and so forth.

Thank you. I've finished now.

[Banshee]

Natus, Banshee, I would never disrespect you or your country, yet you have me. Remember you're not talking about the TV. Some of us are americans. I find it insulting that you classify us as all some kinda tyrant.

- I classified your country's government as tyrant. Not the people. I know a lot of yankess that are nice people and not tyrants... so, it would be foolish from my part classifying the people as tyrant, specially when I dont even know 0.0000001% of them.....

[MSpencer]

Ali, you are a fucking IDIOT. How was Iraq ever out of the 3rd World? It wasn't. Saddam Hussein was closer to making the Middle East an even more unstable region. What do you mean the British were welcomed with flowers? I assume you're going to tell the British soldier who got his head blown apart by an AK47 that it was a flower? There was fighting in Basra, you fucking moron. People died. People shot other people. Too complicated for you, fuckhead?

Do NOT classify George Bush as a tyrant. We elected him, and that is simply an insult upon the strong republic that our brethren have strived to maintain. If he was a tyrant, you would see many changes. You would see everyone getting conscripted into the military, you would see the lack of an economy. You would see nuclear weapons sneaking into other countries. Learn what you're saying, because you sound like a dick.

[Ash]

Can I call him a warmongering egotistical fuckhead? :S

Here I was backing up your country (and there you were saying you didn't mind people dissing Bush), and saying it's the fault of the politicians (which it is. They for some reason don't trust the populace to let them vote on major decisions like, I don't know, sending their menfolk abroad to fight a war for something they probably don't believe in)...yet now you're defending Bush? What are you, Spence? Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush?

[chemical ali]

Me thinks red neck pro Bush Actually my mates brother is in the army and he said the US army were idoits cos the UK lost more soldiers in 'friendly fire' than in actual enemy ingagment.

[Destroyer]

We elected him

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not really. His brother elected him. And we're doing a damn poor job preserving this "strong republic".

[Deathblow Luc]

As far as i know Spence isnt aligned nor pro-Bush nor Anti-Bush, rather Anti-Both nowdays.

Ali, did you just say America lowered to the kinds of thinking a third world country has? Becuse if not, ill just laugh at the statement that Iraq was 1st world. Specifically because those terms are used for sidings in cold war, not for their wealth. Anybody remember?

1st World = USA + Marshall Plan + NATO
2nd World = USSR + Warsaw Pact + COMECON
3rd World = Rest + New independants

Lets try use those words well, will we?

Spence is saying that Bush was simply elected, not imposed. Which is true, and if theres anything to blame, its the electoral college (which perhaps may alter the desire of the majority, since its members are limited to x per state, majorities are local, which means that there can be a majority that votes for the opposition, and the minority will still be elected because it won in more states, with less votes). His actions are backed up by something (ie money, as Hostile suggested), as every other politician.

The difference is that these others dont screw somewhere in the world but their country, and Bush did. And thats why hes likely to be bashed, simply because he put himself and his country in a role that doesnt belong to them. Whatever their population conviction methods are, which are beyond any debate now (since foreigners clearly werent affected by it) his rampage to jump the UN resolution (which i mind you, UN was USAs idea in the first place), means USAs actions can be totally outlaw without sanctions. Only they can jump UN. Nobody else can, unless they share the US governments interests. Partners, that means not only the UN is useless -which we already knew-, but also that apparently a ghost entity gave the US Governments the authority to do and undo whatever they want in the rest of the world without opposition. In short words, USA has nowadays the economical and military power to dominate the world, and their government isnt using it for the common good, supposedly, the objective of politics.

If tones go down, ill move this to the HoP as it fits better there.