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#1 Natus

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:55 AM

There has been noticable anti US sentiments rife of late, this is a simple statement in regards to those posts; it is Racism and shall not be tolerated. This goes to everyone, including hostees, staff and admin.

This statement goes for every country as well as US, sentiments such as ones posed against US are a prime example.

If you dont like a country then you dont spout bullshit, you live with it.
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 08:45 PM

if only everything were that black and white.

in a forum discussing politics, people are bound to discuss the rights and wrongs of the politics of many different countries. Is this now banned? Its easy to say anti US is racist, but can you declare every argument against the US system as being worthy of punishment.

If i were to comment on the US senate and put it down, saying that a british system is more efficient, would this be anti US? would i be racist?

You need to define exactly what is anti US and exactly what about these anti US arguments are racist. I could rip the US government to pieces without being racist. I could do the same with any number of countries, whilst remaining civil. would i recieve warnings for this anyway?

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 08:47 PM

Arguments against US govern is no racist, but if you generalize the US citizens in a bad way, or the french army in a bad way... well.. this is a kind of racism... should be banned? :p
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:28 PM

I agree, but I am aiming at the comment saying 9/11 was deserved
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:40 PM

I agree, but I am aiming at the comment saying 9/11 was deserved

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Posted 06 August 2004 - 02:08 PM

Comments like that ARE unnacceptable..

I get where Natus is going with this. Many people DO generalize people on basis of their race. If a country leader makes a mistake, many people would tell you that George W. Bush made many mistakes in his career as U.S. president, but this absolutely does not mean that Americans are a bad race in ANY sort of way.

Generalizations like this should indeed receive warnings. :sleep:

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 07:12 AM

Is this about Spence?
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Posted 07 August 2004 - 09:47 AM

No, and next time, read the title. Spence defended America, not bash it.

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Posted 07 August 2004 - 01:31 PM

Umm I agree with the whole bashing of the US needing to stop. But I disagree with calling it racism. and calling america a race. As someone has....

but this absolutely does not mean that Americans are a bad race in ANY sort of way.

Americans are a whole group of races that live in a country called america. they dont have any blood in them called america. It would be like calling the people in the uk a race. Its like subdividing the country saying just cause your in a differnt country you are that race. BULL...SHIT!! You guys need to crack open a book and study a bit more here. and also back to the racism thing. Its not racist bashing America. Its prejuduice(sp?). Racism is to hate a race, which America is not.

And to whoever says 9/11 was deserved wouldnt be saying that if they are home and turn on the tv one day only to find out a workplace were their parents work has been destroyed due to terrorist causing the death of parents/siblings/relatives. And let me ask you this. If that happend to you, how would you feel if people were saying it was deserved?

BUT!!! I CAN say that America did deserve 9/11 BUT the families that were in the towers DIDNT deserve it.

And America isnt all peachy keen. I remember a little thing called the A-Bomb that killed alot more japanese. A SHIT TON more then the planes caused to the towers. But that still doesnt make it right to take the lives of others. But there are always 2 sides to each country that are good and bad but it isnt the people in America that are bad its the Government, cause not everysingle American decided we were gonna attack Iraq, not every single American decided what to do in the war that is still going on now. So before you start bashing a fucking country learn what and who you are gonna be fucking bashing.
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Posted 08 August 2004 - 08:41 PM

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Posted 09 August 2004 - 12:50 AM

Ok, it may not be racist due to the wide range of people but country bashing on the basis of their government is unfair and unjust. This is a call to stem it, and instead replace bashing with constructive, sensical discussion. As is the threads objective.
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Posted 09 August 2004 - 07:20 AM

Race was indeed the wrong word to use. But you must realize that there are plenty of people who DO generalize all americans as the same race. And that is excactly the problem.

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Posted 10 August 2004 - 12:27 AM

The thing is, a political forum is bound to get some ugly discussions. Cannis, for instance, warns that their political forum might be worse than the flame forum.

If you do choose to enforce a rule like this, don't be one-sided. You'd need to start moderating everyone who makes and anti-French slur, everyone who says something bad about Islam, everyone who does anything like that.

I say just let the forum handle it. If someone says that 9/11 was deserved, that person gets flamed a new asshole by the other members. Censoring a forum, particularly a political debate forum, is never the way to go.

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Posted 10 August 2004 - 02:15 AM

And that's exactly what the forum rules says and what's being followed.

3. No racist or Anti-Nation comments.


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Posted 10 August 2004 - 06:44 PM

Problem with these forums are they do cause conflict. I remember arg and cannis before our problems started with C-GEN. Args disagreement with Cannis got him banned.

We try to control this forum as best as we can but it is difficult in some cases. You'll probably find most warnings come from this place.

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Posted 10 August 2004 - 07:16 PM

The athmosphere in which i attempt to keep this place, is somewhere where you can discuss events. My interest is: No personal fights, No humilliation, No racism, No Anti-Nation comments. Most of the existant politics forums are biased enough to make fun of the other point of view, and its something i dont tolerate here: everybody´s opinion is just as valuable as every other one. Respect, is the number one rule. But, on the other hand, you must realise its obvious that you will not get respect back, if what you do is inmediately insult a nation/race/religion. And whenever someone reacts to that, its perfectly understandable and shouldnt be adressed as a violation of the rules, as the comment that triggered that act shouldnt exist in the first place.

People are free to take positions, yes. People cannot offend others while at it though. Hopefully, thats something i respect pretty much, although others dont seem to share that point of view.

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Posted 10 August 2004 - 08:19 PM

And what about positions that, just by taking them, imply that you're against a nation or religion? Such as being a muslim extremist or a nazi?

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Posted 10 August 2004 - 08:31 PM

Being against doesnt imply offending. As said, youre free to say what you want, as long as others arent offended. Fanatics, of course, tend to insult before reasoning, and thats why youll possibly never see them arguing appropiately. This is a rule that moderates itself, its a fact that such extremists cannot talk without offending.

Others, otoh, may try explain their position in a civilized manner, but the probability of finding one is almost unexistant.

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Posted 16 August 2004 - 03:07 AM

Ok, it may not be racist due to the wide range of people but country bashing on the basis of their government is unfair and unjust...

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everybody has their own opinons, thats life. as long as someone has one, there will always be people ready and willing to bash it. I hate the French (with a passion), but no one cares. if someone does care, they will eventually get over it. Why? cuase life goes on.

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Posted 16 August 2004 - 03:44 PM

I was just trying to keep the peice, last thing we need is a shit storm breaking out. These are peoples veiws here, having them virtually destroyed and proven wrong by others can cause some to make vendettas. Its an attempt to stem the trouble.
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