How soon we forget...
#21
Posted 28 August 2004 - 09:12 AM
If we don't say it doesn't mean we haven't forgotten.
#22
Posted 28 August 2004 - 09:55 PM
#23
Posted 28 August 2004 - 10:15 PM
Ill tell you something, during the 1976-83 period, our country lived in a terrible dictatorship, as well as most of South America, all of them military governments with extreme right-wing ideologies, anticommunism as a blind goal, and worship of the doctrine of national security -which i may clarify, came from USA-. 30,000 persons are missing since then, other thousands were murdered in various ways (tortured to death with electric instruments, left hanging from certain extremities, thrown to the widest river tied, burnt in ovens. And it was all caused by the so called "Statal Terrorism". The torture, mass murder, and xenophobia was known in the outside world, yes. Yet instead of sending a human rights comission, USA sold weapons. Which were used months later for war against one of USA´s allies.
Know whats the trick here? The rest of the world doesnt matter, as long as it fits the purpose. My country was led by anticommunist bigoted generals, possibly constituting one of the highest violation to human rights in the 20th century. But i never heard of any kind of warning coming from USA, in all the seven years, until the Falklands war.
When justice is made effective only in cases where there are obvious interests, then the world starts losing faith in hegemonic peacekeepers. Thats just whats happening now, and since the cold war.
We remember about this once a year, though. March 26th, when the military took power. Its still a hot potato to talk about, as justice hasnt been made effective, as it was expectable, and you can expect to argue about it with various persons in a year. However, many of us notice that its worthless to remember for ever. Im not saying this is the case, but if you raise memories offtime for any reason (respect included) theres little chance the pain will ever go.
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#24
Posted 29 August 2004 - 03:51 AM
The hot potato... attack Iraq,
(rebuttal) had nothing to do with the war on terrorism,
(rebuttal) still a bad regime that promotes anti US,
(rebuttal) defenseless arab nation posing no threat to US,
(rebuttal) presented instability and anti US sentiment ALONG killing own population,
(rebuttal) still had nothing to do with US security and many regimes kill own population.
(rebuttal) need to secure area because of needed oil reserves for the world.
(rebuttel) so it's all about oil.
(rebuttal) twisted words used against us outta context.
Never ending cycle of need vs want vs reality. Makes me wish there was another superpower to assume some of the burden and guilt of making world changing decisions...
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#25
Posted 29 August 2004 - 02:33 PM
As for the justified rememberance, thats why i said this is not exactly the case, however, id like to see what it is like 20 years from now.
Margret Thatcher - Fenring's the one for me
#26
Posted 29 August 2004 - 04:29 PM
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#27
Posted 29 August 2004 - 05:16 PM
Yes. I would do the same for America. I think it's a wonderful country. But we're missing the point here. America wasn't invaded. I'd also like to bring up a point that I would NOT do it for England, and I live here. Because I hate the way this country is as it is. And I stand up for only things that have been good to me. Ergo, England is not one.
And now, back to the current state of play.
Superpower making world-changing decisions? It is not the USA's God-given right to impose its own ideals, ways or anything else upon any other nation. If it directly threatens the USA, fine. But Iraq didnt. attacking Afghanistan, fine. I will agree with it. They attacked the USA. Iraq didn't.
The fact is, the USA had no RIGHT to attack Iraq, regardless of its principles.
If the Arab world is destined to implode and destroy itself. So be it.
Oil problem? Mine some of the USA's oil. There's a massive reserve lying unused. Why? Gimme an M. Gimme an O. Gimme an N. Gimme an O. Gimme a POLY and whaddaya got?
I understand your remembrance, and your reasons for it. But I don't believe that the way it was dealt with in the longer-term was the right answer. Afghanistan, as I say. Fine. Just desserts. But from there? Well, I'd be repeating myself once again to continue.
#29
Posted 29 August 2004 - 06:49 PM
We have the benefit of hindishgt. Leaders do not when they act. How are they to know what would happen? Everyone seems to forget no one can forsee the future.US was the one who helped Saddam to get the power in Iraq to stop Iran and their fundamentalist revolution. And the chemical weapon used by Saddam was sold by USA. So, instead of killing a lot of people to remove a Frankstein that they put on power, they shouldnt even have created that Frankstein... USA creates a lot of Franksteins... one of them is called Osama Bin Laden. Have you heard about that one? There is a myth that says that he ordered to kamikaze pilots to blow their planes in 2 twin towers O.o...
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#30
Posted 29 August 2004 - 06:57 PM
Margret Thatcher - Fenring's the one for me
#31
Posted 29 August 2004 - 06:59 PM
#32
Posted 31 August 2004 - 09:00 AM
You helped Afghastian find communists but afterwards you leave em.
Then in vietnam you bomb the crap out our country (you may guess now i am british borne vietnamese) with napalm, agent orange and whatever crap and then when the public opinion turns you leave the country to the fate. Then the nuking of japan ....
do you see any of us stirring this stuff up ... ? stop finking oh this couldn't have happen to anyone else, get off your high horse of justice and stop thinking you are all innocent or whatever.
#33
Posted 31 August 2004 - 09:21 AM
And we can all see how great Vietnam turned out after we left like people want us to do now in Iraq. Nice place to live in the years after we left huh? Guess you got what you wanted from us. Leave Vietnam...than watch human rights go out the window. When you say we bombed your people than I take it you are aligned with what was N Vietnamese idealogy and not South right. Cause we didn't bomb them. Ever wonder why you live in England? You picked a bad example there guy...
That example only reinforces why we shouldn't leave Iraq.
Edited by Hostile, 31 August 2004 - 09:30 AM.
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#34
Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:06 AM
Also listening to your allies? Thats pretty unusual for a change
Why napalm and use chemical agents on the country?
more then likely you were "field-testing" weapons on us and you had all this "anti-communism rubbish propoganda.
My parents left cos the country was buggered, you screwed over the economy and left the place as a warzone.
It sickens me when americans say we will stick with you.
Cos guess what? It never happens ...
I would like to mention again, its not against american individuals but your government and its "policies" which makes me so irratated.
Edited by Allied General, 31 August 2004 - 10:11 AM.
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Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:14 AM
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#36
Posted 31 August 2004 - 10:18 AM
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#38
Posted 31 August 2004 - 12:10 PM
Edited by Natus, 31 August 2004 - 12:12 PM.
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#40
Posted 31 August 2004 - 09:40 PM
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