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Posted 04 January 2005 - 10:07 PM

Hybrid, I have to scratch my head sometimes. Some things you say just isn't true. They're lies.

"If Bush hadn't 'won' the election in 2000, would 9/11 have happened."

That operation was years in planning, of course it would have happened if Gore was President. Al-quada blew up US embassies while Clinton was in office.

"Fen, Chirac is better than Bush. He doesn't target innocent countries for oil and his own greed."

You do realize France was doing business with iraq during the sanctions right? Sounds like greed to me. And Iraq was far from innocent bud! The population is dieing from attacks from insurgents. Insugents are NOT trying to "liberate" iraq, they trying to enslave it by returning the Bath party to power.

Why aren't these OBVIOUS FACTS ever mentioned here. The insurgents have stated that democracy is unislamic. Read that again. It means they want a dictatorial theocracy.

Targeting innocent civilians, OMG, what do you think Saddam was doing for 30 years!

"Diversion tactics. The rest of the country focuses on attacking france whilst bush plots how hes going to get oil to america from iraq without making it look like hes stealing."

Give me one once of proof you liar! Where is all this oil at, not here in America I'm still paying $2 a gallon for gas.

Give me some source that states oil is being diverted to the US that wasn't purchased at the same price as every other country that is getting oil from iraq, including France!

You make up stuff with no grounds of truth. You puposely leave out facts to suite your view. That makes you a liar.

Show me some proof that more civilians died in the war in iraq due to US weapons than at the hands of Saddam Hussien! You can't.

Just like you can't give me one source that shows the US is stealing oil from iraq.
I've scoured the web for a source that even hints of oil being stolen.

Nothing at all. Seems alot of people state thier opinion as it were fact. People should start using phrases like "I feel" or "I believe" or "Could be"

Heres a nice article from 2000 showing France buddying up to Saddam.
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Posted 04 January 2005 - 10:31 PM

Hybrid, I have to scratch my head sometimes. Some things you say just isn't true. They're lies.

"If Bush hadn't 'won' the election in 2000, would 9/11 have happened."

That operation was years in planning, of course it would have happened if Gore was President. Al-quada blew up US embassies while Clinton was in office.


You failed to see that was a question. Yes ok it was in operation for years and it prolly would happen. Its just because i feel we don't have the whole truth about 9/11 thats all. I fail to see the missing links. After so many lies from Bushes administration, don't you think someone would be a bit unsure if what they said about 9/11 was true? Like the hijackers of the planes. They stated they were all trained by al queda. Or from what i have been told they stated that. However, how hard is it to fly a huge jumbo jet, at 500 miles per hour into a building like the Pentagon? You don't learn that in some cheap training school. Those people must of been taught in some airforce. The Saudi Airforce prehaps?

"Fen, Chirac is better than Bush. He doesn't target innocent countries for oil and his own greed."

You do realize France was doing business with iraq during the sanctions right? Sounds like greed to me. And Iraq was far from innocent bud! The population is dieing from attacks from  insurgents. Insugents are NOT trying to "liberate" iraq, they trying to enslave it by returning the Bath party to power.


Ok ok. But france haven't started a war for no reason. The reasons bush gave us to going to war in iraq were lies. They knew he did have weapons of mass destruction. They knew it. Its deeper than that. Look at the evidence. The way his administration spoke about it. Its so easy to tell when someones lying. They couldn't even be specific about where these 'weapons' were.

"They are around the areas north and south of Bagdhad"

Yeah thats specific. The UN came back saying there was no weapons in Iraq how many times? I don't know, too many too remember. So once they realise that they are going to get snuffed out, they say, Yeah thats right, we did it to free the people or iraq. This war was nothing to do with freeing the people of Iraq.

Why aren't these OBVIOUS FACTS ever mentioned here. The insurgents have stated that democracy is unislamic. Read that again. It means they want a dictatorial theocracy.


You think democracy is going to work in Iraq? Hell no it won't. They can give it a chance, but before long, there will be a extremist group that will overthrow the government there. There is no chance democracy will survive there.

Targeting innocent civilians, OMG, what do you think Saddam was doing for 30 years!


I never ever said saddam was innocent. The people of Iraq were. Think about my words deeper.

"Diversion tactics. The rest of the country focuses on attacking france whilst bush plots how hes going to get oil to america from iraq without making it look like hes stealing."

Give me one once of proof you liar! Where is all this oil at, not here in America I'm still paying $2 a gallon for gas.

Give me some source that states oil is being diverted to the US that wasn't purchased at the same price as every other country that is getting oil from iraq, including France!


If you think Bush when into Iraq to free the people, your wrong. They went in to Iraq to secure the US an oil deal, like they did when they secured the Gas pipeline in Afganistan.

You make up stuff with no grounds of truth. You puposely leave out facts to suite your view. That makes you a liar.

Show me some proof that more civilians died in the war in iraq due to US weapons than at the hands of Saddam Hussien! You can't.


I never said they had. But these precise bombs that America is suppost to have, that apparently are an no more than an inch out have missed hundreds of times. One even landed in Iran! How can you miss that far out?

Anyhow this one first: http://www.commondre...s03/0503-02.htm

No one will never find proof of how much were attually killed. They don't count the bodies. Why would they? They wouldn't want the world to know. Below is a close estimate.

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Just like you can't give me one source that shows the US is stealing oil from iraq.
I've scoured the web for a source that even hints of oil being stolen.


As i stated above. What do you think this war was about?

Nothing at all. Seems alot of people state thier opinion as it were fact. People should start using phrases like "I feel" or "I believe" or "Could be"


In the future i will do this when it comes to stating my beliefs. I realise some of the facts i have stated are wrong, yet, i have stated the reasons why i believe they are right.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 09:52 AM

You failed to see that was a question. Yes ok it was in operation for years and it prolly would happen. Its just because i feel we don't have the whole truth about 9/11 thats all. I fail to see the missing links. After so many lies from Bushes administration, don't you think someone would be a bit unsure if what they said about 9/11 was true? Like the hijackers of the planes. They stated they were all trained by al queda. Or from what i have been told they stated that. However, how hard is it to fly a huge jumbo jet, at 500 miles per hour into a building like the Pentagon? You don't learn that in some cheap training school. Those people must of been taught in some airforce. The Saudi Airforce prehaps?

ok, if there's one thing that pisses me off, it's blaming 9/11 on Bush... of course they were trained, it was in the works for years... I don't know where they learned to fly, but the fact is they did... NOBODY saw it coming...

You think democracy is going to work in Iraq? Hell no it won't. They can give it a chance, but before long, there will be a extremist group that will overthrow the government there. There is no chance democracy will survive there.

you'd be suprised... all's a government requires is the support of the people... when the leader is elected, then the majority supports it... anyways, I doubt we're just going to pick up and leave... we'll leave just as soon as the government is securley in place...

I never ever said saddam was innocent. The people of Iraq were. Think about my words deeper.

yeah, that's why we had to remove saddam from power over the innocent Iraqi people

If you think Bush when into Iraq to free the people, your wrong. They went in to Iraq to secure the US an oil deal, like they did when they secured the Gas pipeline in Afganistan.

this is another thing that bothers me... the US pays the same amount for oil that everyone else does... and if you're suggesting we went into Afganistan for oil, you got another thing coming, because we went into Afganistan to bring terrorists to justice

I never said they had. But these precise bombs that America is suppost to have, that apparently are an no more than an inch out have missed hundreds of times. One even landed in Iran! How can you miss that far out?

Anyhow this one first: http://www.commondre...s03/0503-02.htm

No one will never find proof of how much were attually killed. They don't count the bodies. Why would they? They wouldn't want the world to know. Below is a close estimate.

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http://www.freerepub...s/1304439/posts

erm, here's a few quotes from your articles...
"Even Iraqi claims indicate that the U.S. and U.K. inflicted negligible civilian casualties and collateral damage in historical terms,"
"Any numbers they produce would be contested," said Herold. "They learned their lesson in Vietnam." and there's your reason why it hasn't been counted...

but whatever, believe what you want to believe... yes, we're in Iraq to kill everyone and declair it New America for it's oil reserves... happy now?
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 06:50 PM

You failed to see that was a question. Yes ok it was in operation for years and it prolly would happen. Its just because i feel we don't have the whole truth about 9/11 thats all. I fail to see the missing links. After so many lies from Bushes administration, don't you think someone would be a bit unsure if what they said about 9/11 was true? Like the hijackers of the planes. They stated they were all trained by al queda. Or from what i have been told they stated that. However, how hard is it to fly a huge jumbo jet, at 500 miles per hour into a building like the Pentagon? You don't learn that in some cheap training school. Those people must of been taught in some airforce. The Saudi Airforce prehaps?

ok, if there's one thing that pisses me off, it's blaming 9/11 on Bush... of course they were trained, it was in the works for years... I don't know where they learned to fly, but the fact is they did... NOBODY saw it coming...


I know no one saw it coming. You'd have to have been psychic to have seen it, however, there is so much that is unaswered about that day, it makes me find it difficult to think it was just as straight forward as its been made out.

You think democracy is going to work in Iraq? Hell no it won't. They can give it a chance, but before long, there will be a extremist group that will overthrow the government there. There is no chance democracy will survive there.

you'd be suprised... all's a government requires is the support of the people... when the leader is elected, then the majority supports it... anyways, I doubt we're just going to pick up and leave... we'll leave just as soon as the government is securley in place...


Hmm... Thats another thing i'm not so sure about. Will Bush leave the place when the government is secure, or will it be like British forces in Kosovo. Kosovos secure, they just keep forces there so its occupied for no reason.

I never ever said saddam was innocent. The people of Iraq were. Think about my words deeper.

yeah, that's why we had to remove saddam from power over the innocent Iraqi people


Well then, if Bush has handed himself the task of removing evil leaders then hes got a hell of a task on his hands. If you think Bush went into Iraq to free the people, think again. If Bush wants to become a saviour and free people i can give a list of other countries he should start on in 2005 - 2008. North Korea, ohhhh no, wait wait, i got a better one. One which is more evil that north korea. Saudi Arabia...

If you think Bush when into Iraq to free the people, your wrong. They went in to Iraq to secure the US an oil deal, like they did when they secured the Gas pipeline in Afganistan.

this is another thing that bothers me... the US pays the same amount for oil that everyone else does... and if you're suggesting we went into Afganistan for oil, you got another thing coming, because we went into Afganistan to bring terrorists to justice


There was a pipe line deal that clinton was trying to get passed in his term. The agreement was already made to build a pipeline through Afganistan that carries natural gas. This deal had to be cancelled however when Osama blew up the 2 US embassies. Everyone knows Bushes original target was Iraq. He tried his hardest to get 9/11 linked to Iraq, but there was no evidence. Proof he was lying is they released a report saying there was NO LINK between Iraq and 9/11. However in the time leading upto the 2nd Gulf War, Bushes Administration said: There is no doubt Saddam was involved in 9/11. Lies. And they know it. When the woman was saying it (dunno her name), you could tell by her body language she wasn't even sure. She was shaking her head from side to side line a fucking dog.

If Afganistan was to bring terrorists to justice then, where are they? They didn't even enter the area Osama was suppost to be for 2 weeks after the war started. 2 Weeks! Yeah give him a head start. Bush didn't care for afganistan. He did not care. Most of the Taliban got away, and worst of all Osama bin Laden got away. Well Done President Bush and Mr Blair. You let him get away....

Another thing, odd in 2003 that the pipeline deal was revived and they are now building it. Don't you think thats odd? I do.

I never said they had. But these precise bombs that America is suppost to have, that apparently are an no more than an inch out have missed hundreds of times. One even landed in Iran! How can you miss that far out?

Anyhow this one first: http://www.commondre...s03/0503-02.htm

No one will never find proof of how much were attually killed. They don't count the bodies. Why would they? They wouldn't want the world to know. Below is a close estimate.

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http://www.freerepub...s/1304439/posts

erm, here's a few quotes from your articles...
"Even Iraqi claims indicate that the U.S. and U.K. inflicted negligible civilian casualties and collateral damage in historical terms,"
"Any numbers they produce would be contested," said Herold. "They learned their lesson in Vietnam." and there's your reason why it hasn't been counted...

but whatever, believe what you want to believe... yes, we're in Iraq to kill everyone and declair it New America for it's oil reserves... happy now?

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No. Bush went into Iraq with no care for Civilian Life. He didn't want everyone dead. He just didn't care. Yes i understand troops make mistakes, but troops don't make 9000+ mistakes. NO way in hell. America's oil reserve is running at an all time low. Aren't you surprised Bush is deperate? He needs that oil to continue making the money that he will keep to himself when he is finally kicked out of office in 2008.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:01 PM

Opperation Iraqi Liberation could be shortened down to OIL :p
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:04 PM

Opperation Iraqi Liberation could be shortened down to OIL  :p

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ROFL Ali.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:06 PM

its true :p
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:17 PM

I know no one saw it coming. You'd have to have been psychic to have seen it, however, there is so much that is unaswered about that day, it makes me find it difficult to think it was just as straight forward as its been made out.


One of the most important "in my opinion" is the fact they pulled off such an event. As the terrorists were trained in Florida in a flight aviation school.

Some flags went off when they were quoted as saying we don't care about how to land them just fly them. But the school never told the authorities.

Hmm... Thats another thing i'm not so sure about. Will Bush leave the place when the government is secure, or will it be like British forces in Kosovo. Kosovos secure, they just keep forces there so its occupied for no reason.


I would assume that the US would love to get the hell out of Iraq as soon as possible. I haven't heard anyone say anything to the contrary... It hasn't exactly made the US popular.

Well then, if Bush has handed himself the task of removing evil leaders then hes got a hell of a task on his hands. If you think Bush went into Iraq to free the people, think again. If Bush wants to become a saviour and free people i can give a list of other countries he should start on in 2005 - 2008. North Korea, ohhhh no, wait wait, i got a better one. One which is more evil that north korea. Saudi Arabia... "


Well there are only so many US troops, can't invade the whole world. Though IMO I wouldn't doubt if Syria is next on the menu for US hawks.

Another thing, odd in 2003 that the pipeline deal was revived and they are now building it. Don't you think thats odd? I do.


Why is this odd? They were gonna build it in the first place. The deal is a multinational deal not a US deal. Don't forget to add that part Hybrid.

No. Bush went into Iraq with no care for Civilian Life. He didn't want everyone dead. He just didn't care. Yes i understand troops make mistakes, but troops don't make 9000+ mistakes.


In a country of 25M people, 9K isn't that much. I'm sorry to say but it's a war and that's not very much in comparison to what has been gained. Can't assume Iraq is too stupid for democracy, they are not. Turkey has one and they are right next door and is a secular govenment.

America's oil reserve is running at an all time low. Aren't you surprised Bush is deperate? He needs that oil to continue making the money that he will keep to himself when he is finally kicked out of office in 2008.


Are you making stuff up again without using "in my opinion"? You must have bugged Bushes office since you now everything he says in private and is thinking. Where did you ever hear US oil is running at an all time low?

Don't you think the left wing media in the US is just looking for any war profiteering from Iraq, they would LOVE to fry Bush or other republicans. Yet there is none other than Haliburton. And that was fixed. You're making stuff up again?! :p

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:21 PM

you know 9k dosnt sound a lot but when planes crash into america and kill 3000 people out of a popluation of 120 million..... or is that different.
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:25 PM

That's totally differant, they hijacked fukin planes and flew them into a city with the intention of targeting civilians idiot!

What do you know about oil Ali? Except the oil you apply to the jaw of your motor mouth. Unless you're just rallying around the "Bash Bush" Banner?

Ali, give me one source to support you war for oil belief?

Our population is 320M not 120M?!

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:29 PM

thats ones of the selfish comment, 'its different' whats different about bombing cilvilains with laser guided bombs on an Iraqi city? And come on everyone knows it was about oil, the WMD thing was an added extra.
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:35 PM

We bombed military targets that resulted in civilian casualties, we didn't aim for civilians like 9/11 did. You really don't see the differance do you?

Everybody knows it's about oil huh? Yet there isn't any proof anywhere, that almost sounds like mass brainwashing to me?

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:51 PM

Yeah acidental, a lot of colletaral damage and what about all the British troops the Americans killed in Blue on Blue how come we didnt kill anyone of them?
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:52 PM

Are you suggesting we purposly did it? Friendly fire is horrific no matter who dies. Because it's not done on purpose.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:57 PM

In the British real papers in the editorial, there were lots of stories of revenge attacks on Iraqi civillians by US troops. This is true...... :p
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 09:04 PM

That's totally differant, they hijacked fukin planes and flew them into a city with the intention of targeting civilians idiot!


Yes i know. However i find it very difficult to believe that amount of civilians died by accident. It was due to the lack of care by the US forces bombing the cities of Iraq that caused so much death.

Ali, give me one source to support you war for oil belief?

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There was no other reason to go to war. What Bush supplied the US people and the British people were all lies. Every single one of them. The only reason Bush would have went to war was to gain something for America, and maybe do what he dad couldn't.

Countries do not go to war unless it suits them. Saddam was NO THREAT to the USA. Bush doesn't care about the civilians there. How do i know? He can't take care of his own people at home, Why? Because he doesn't care. Its the same in Iraq.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 11:06 PM

thats ones of the selfish comment, 'its different' whats different about bombing cilvilains with laser guided bombs on an Iraqi city? And come on everyone knows it was about oil, the WMD thing was an added extra.

one was on purpose, another was accidental... simple as that... and why go to war for oil... when it seems that the war in Iraq has actually hurt the oil companies :mellow:

Yeah acidental, a lot of colletaral damage and what about all the British troops the Americans killed in Blue on Blue how come we didnt kill anyone of them?

now you're just spouting out pointless crap... yes, we want to kill our closest ally, so they can not have a piece of New America... seriously, wtf is that? The British are the only damn people who have proved themselves as true allies to America... ever... everybody else is just friends with us when they want something...

maybe it's the fact that British troops are better trained... maybe it's because there are more Americans there than Brittish... there are many reasons, so don't go saying things that have no evidence, and make no sense...

In the British real papers in the editorial, there were lots of stories of revenge attacks on Iraqi civillians by US troops. This is true......

a) not civilians, militants that were captured
b) this still isn't right, but if you watched your best friends head explode you might lose it too...

Yes i know. However i find it very difficult to believe that amount of civilians died by accident. It was due to the lack of care by the US forces bombing the cities of Iraq that caused so much death.

it WAS an accident... the problem is when you have guys launching RPGs from mosques (sorry if that's spelled wrong) then sometimes you're gonna kill civilians... it's just unavoidable when fighting this type of war...
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Posted 06 January 2005 - 12:41 AM

Ali, give me one source to support you war for oil belief?


Your vice president was president of the company who is currently extracting oil on Iraq and he stil has a lot of $$$ in this company.
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Posted 06 January 2005 - 03:25 AM

Actually the company sold gas and other commodities to the US gov at a higher cost than should have. Halibutron is not pumping oil. And they were caught.

Good example though with the whole VP thing. If anything they were ripping off the US not Iraq.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 03:06 PM

Maybe there is hope after all!

http://www.sfgate.co...MNG2VALOMD1.DTL




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