isnt this a bit too much for the US?
#1
Posted 17 January 2005 - 08:19 AM
now after what i know, the us forces in iraq is already pretty thin- stretched. if the military desides that they should attack iran aswell, won't you be getting trouble with having control over things down there?
i can imagine that the government would try to get a draft together to get more help down there, but then again, bush said during the elections that there would be no such thing... now lets see what happens if the hawks deside to attack another country.
personally im hoping for some good old fashioned rioting! nothing like a riot now and then...
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#2
Posted 17 January 2005 - 01:43 PM
1) Like it is written we have a military plan against many countries around the world "just in case"
2) Alittle leak never hurt no one. Sometimes the government lets things leak to get an unofficial message to some countries that they could be a target if they are not careful.
Ultimately, it could just be a scare tactic.
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#3
Posted 17 January 2005 - 05:22 PM
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 05:51 PM
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:16 PM
#6
Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:31 PM
i would like to see Iran taken down, evil country then we can take it back and i can just see the British flag flying in Tehran...
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:31 PM
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:36 PM
#9
Posted 17 January 2005 - 06:48 PM
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 10:29 PM
Edited by Hostile, 17 January 2005 - 10:29 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2005 - 10:38 PM
#12
Posted 18 January 2005 - 12:45 AM
if the US will attack Iran with the "bombs of democracy" then the entire middle east will be against them. The entire world will isolate the US as a crimnal, an invader, a thief and an assassin. Tortures aren't forgotten, so illegal reason to bomb Iraq, so thousand of innocent civilian dead for such as useless war
Are you an expert on the middle east? Do you speak for them now? The entire world will isolate the US. Please mofo. Don't talk so stupid. What Palistinian city are you from?
Next you'll be caling us infidels. Illegal bombing of Iraq? Why not ask them? I dont mean the insurgents I mean the other 98% of the population. Tell your sad anti american stories somewhere else.
So thousands of innocent victims huh? Helluva alot more died under Saddam. Illegal bombing of Iraq? Useless war. What rock have you been hiding under. Would you rather we didn't invade Iraq? So Saddam could still be in power and continue his "legacy"
Tired of this idiotic idealogy of American "killing the poor innocent" We didn't kill civilians, if they died they did by accident enroute to the enemy. For God's sake would you have said the same if the US invaded Nazi Germany?
Of course not cause it's hind sight. Though you may have said the same of those poor Germans. Pleeeeeeeeeeze....
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#15
Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:11 AM
Every country has a plan to knock down every other country in the world. Don't think they don't. If they did'nt than they did not do their job.
I can't help but imagine our prime-minister(John Howard) doing a 'evil plan' laugh, thinking about bombing Indonesia or something
BTW heres a picture of our wonderful leader!
#16
Posted 18 January 2005 - 10:55 AM
also don't think the middle east and the world have forgot about that "prison" incident
You think that isolated incident was bad, should have seen what was going on before we got there.
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#18
Posted 18 January 2005 - 01:50 PM
Do you want to know where am I from? I'm from Europe, like many of these members and we aren't anti American because our anti war point of view.
If you don't have a clue but you want an opinion about the disaster of middle east please get some decen information instead of insult people who has reasons to say what they say.
Bush administration decided to invade the Iraq without any concrete prove about weapons of mass distruction (the only valid reason to use the force), they violated the UN resolution and create a dummy coalition to have a poor justification for their invasion. Plans of invading Iraq were ready years before the 9-11 because Iraq is a strategic place for lots of reason:
1)Control of the middle east and possible key poin to isolate the other 3 superpowers, Russia, China, India.
2)Iraq is the second oil resource in the world, controll it means have the power to decide the price of oil.
3)Iraq is a huge business to control the water resources and take the contract to rebluild, making lots of money for every coroporation involved in this business.
4)With "conquered" Iraq the US can establish new bases and start new wars in the middle east
Off course President Bush hides to his people the true reasons of the conflict giving pitiful motivations like "war against terrorism, war for democracy" and other old lies...
But this was the theory....what's happening in Iraq is a bit different. Even the most powerful army has serious troubles with a non conventional force like guerrilla, kamikaze attacks, psycological and mediatic war (hostages in TV, photos about tortures in prisons, etc...) , this means billions of dollars wasted, at least 100000 civilian Iraqi died becasue US bombers destroyed schools, hospitals, houses, markets etc... growing the anti us sentiment in the people; over 1375 us soldiers dead and the casualities grow day by day.
I'm not going to call you infedel, there are enough neo-conservative fanatics in your countriy who call "sons of Satan" the muslims or every "non-christian" people in the earth. Yes, ask the 98% of the people who don't have now neither water or electricity in their bombed houses, the situation after Saddam is even worse then before. We are talking about the most blatant violation of human rights and violation of international conventions, we are talking about people died because depleted uranium fired by US tanks or planes, we are talking about shocked soldiers with serious mental problems because they aren't able to come back in a normal life. Read the other threads in this forum to have a clue about what we are talking about.
If a dictator is in power no country has the right to remove him. Why don't the US has invaded Sudan, or Birmania, or South America or other Banana Republics? Because there's no concrete business for US. With Saddam in power there weren't internal conflicts because Iraq is full of different cultures and ideologies in open conflict with eachothers, now without Saddam there's only chaos and terror everywhere. Noone is safe anymore, well congratulations with this democracy brought by bombs.
Tired of this idiotic idealogy of American "killing the poor innocent" We didn't kill civilians, if they died they did by accident enroute to the enemy. For God's sake would you have said the same if the US invaded Nazi Germany?
This argument is so childish that doesn't deserve an answer. Think before you post other similar garbage. How the hell can Iraq be a "threat for the world" if has suffered embargo for 12 years and was costantly bombed by US planes in the no fly zone?
Next time you want to answer free your mind from all the neo-conservative brainwash and look at this situation with serious criticism, thanks
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:38 PM
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#20
Posted 18 January 2005 - 03:59 PM
Another quote of 100,000 civilian casualties that I have to keep disproving. *sigh*
Next time you want to answer free your mind from all the neo-conservative brainwash and look at this situation with serious criticism, thanks
Yes master, my mind is now cleansed. Ready for your injection of neo-liberal brainwashing sir.
How exactly does a neo-conservative differ from a classical conservative?
If you don't have a clue but you want an opinion about the disaster of middle east please get some decen information instead of insult people who has reasons to say what they say.
So what qualifies you as someone who has a clue and me as someone who doesn't? I'm quite the research junkie on current world events. Are you? Or was it your tour of the middle east as liason of the UN?
The one thing that gets me are people who speak thier opinion as fact. Remember the words "I believe" "could be that' "in my opinion" than your opinion will not be misconstrued as fact.
Otherwise your speech ends up sounding like an opinionated anti-American manifesto. Saddam's idol was Stalin. Maybe I should have used Russia for the analogy and not the Nazis huh?
A good balanced opinion
Now is it the US that keeps the electricity from being consistant or the insurgents.
Insurgents want to return the country to an authoritarian state. Do you want this?
One man is quoted that if Saddam was in power this wouldn't have happened. Whatever that means?
Another is quoted as saying that they should put the Americans in charge of the gas pumps cause they don't take bribes or let people cut in line.
I see very few (some exceptions) european countries putting forth the resources or manpower to help Iraq rebuild itself from SADDAMS destruction. Don't blame the poor conditional state of that country on the US.
That is even inspite of those masters of situation manipulation from europe that choose to stand and whine instead of grabbing a shovel and helping rebuild the country that SADDAM destroyed.
US bombing hospitals and schools, knock that crap off. We built more than there were to start with. $20B US is there for rebuilding, yet we have trouble spending it cause the security situation. Insurgents are the problem not us. And they aren't the common folk trying to get rid of the US.
They are Baath party members, terrorists, and foriegn fighters. Are you on thier side? To allow them to win would be the largest human right issue ever. Cause they would slaughter anyone who worked with the US. The populous is fighting for thier lives and they are on our side.
Now line item what I've said and find credible sources to prove me wrong...
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