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#1 Detail

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 09:00 PM

http://www.federationstudios.net/
A Derilict Studios look-a-like.

If they make an offer for you to join their network as a project, come post here and i'll match their offer. Unless they offer you money, which you should take :grin:

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 09:17 PM

They dont look very organised.
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Posted 04 March 2005 - 09:30 PM

FedNet use to run the CNC Community, but your right they are no longer organised. FedNet died ages ago, there is no way it will regain its full strength for years, if at all.

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Posted 04 March 2005 - 10:05 PM

No chanse at all if they are trying to be the same a Derilict Studios in a market that already has Derilict Studios.

I'd say they were over-orginised. 4 people to do what 1 person should.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 08:58 PM

Detail and Hybrid, No offence but if all the old Exec's got back together it would own Revora, and Derlict Studios ;)

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 11:23 PM

It can't own both DS and Revora.

Revora is hosting and community based. DS is product and employee (for lack of a better word) based. 2 different ways of working. To try and be the best at both hosting mods and mod products would be very hard.


Can you even name the old exec's ;)

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 11:30 PM

If I tried yes. I know you dont own DS im not stupid

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 11:42 PM

If you don't even know who the old exec's were, how do you know it would be the best if they all got back together ;)

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 02:23 AM

Bah.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 10:45 PM

OMFG Marsh is back!

First of all FedNet is a brand. FedNet has PR. Every oldie modder know or was registered at FedNet... They will have a good attention just because it has the same name and there are same guys in charge. There were some tries to recreate FN under the name of "Stardust Studios" but I always hated it... Dunno why thou.
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Posted 17 March 2005 - 07:07 AM

Detail and Hybrid, No offence but if all the old Exec's got back together it would own Revora, and Derlict Studios :party:

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You won't see this ex-vice executive return. Never.

And FedNet has no PR, it lost all its credibility after dying, what, three times? I will boycott it if it threatens DS. And I'm serious, because Marsh has no reason to be doing this, not in the C&C community.

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 08:07 PM

I'm not very knowledgeable about FedNet. So I'll keep schtum on that subject. CNCG, C-GEN, Dere and the DEN networks were the only ones I really knew about. I didn't even know Ori existed till it offered to merge with CNCG (exception: Reloaded, which was hosted there).


But still...why are you taking such a harsh view of it, Godwin? So what if it is competition for Dere (tho I doubt it'll do that...)? Doesn't Revora or the DEN net do the same thing?

Besides, most of the Derelict-hosted people are the bloody staff OF Derelict, because it's one of those exclusive places. Therefore nobody's gonna be leaving Dere to go there. The only OTHER way to get hosting there is to save the life of a Dere member. Or something :huh:

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 10:04 PM

DGNF has absolutly nothing to do with mods.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 05:04 PM

It's about monopoly power. There's no vacuum in the "market" that calls for another major studio. In fact, we're still lacking a lot in resources; in skills, we really do not need another player around to scatter modders around even more (I'm sure many mods hosted at Revora can attest to that as well). Furthermore, generals modding has come to a point where almost everyone in the community has settled down (or are even leaving), and it's unlikely that any new major projects - that will see release - will be started, so I don't know where FedNet is gonna get its "projects"... Thus this raises a good possibility of contention for mods, but I don't know how much more "attractive" their offers can be... They may really end up positioning themselves as an "anti-elite" base, in contrast to DS, which really is, I wouldn't deny, a collective of some of the best talents around....but then, I don't see any point in doing something like this.

Of course there'll also be competition as they aim for the next wave of C&C-esque RTS games, but it's all in the air when BFME is still barely moddable, and we don't even know if EAW can be.

You're right in saying that we're well established and have a good running record in these 2 years, but anything can happen, and with the kind of stuff I'm hearing people "hail the return" of FedNet, it's sickening...

PS. What I say here, will stay here, if I find that this gets out there, or even worse if I end up being misquoted, I'll lose all faith in Revora and the integrity of its staff and hosted members.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 05:27 PM

I don't know how much more "attractive" their offers can be

As they may be selling their mods/products, they may pay their modders. Taking the last step.

One step Revora will never go. Share and care.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 05:46 PM

Were among staff things stay here. I adhere to Godwins view by the way.

Except that, those who have been saying "Hail the return of FedNet", said the same thing the last 3 times with almost the same intensity...so im not worried about it. Besides, when you involve cash on services, you pretty much lose a lot of attention that free providers gain.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 05:50 PM

I'm pretty certain that you're not allowed to sell a mod due to the massive EULA you sign when installing any game these days removing essentially what all your rights as a consumer are. Any attempt to sell a mod would result in the massive lawsuit hammer falling quicker than you could say your mod's name. Modding will never be a paid work area, yes it would be great if we did, but I think we all came to modding to have some fun, to make some of our ideas and show them off to the world (or the small bundles of it that play them) rather than make some money from it.

I've never known of FedNET before but I can't stand the whole modding studios idea anyway and if it's anything like DS I will just completely ignore it. I know some people here are members of DS but I really can't stand them (DS, not the people here). They protrude this whole aura of greatness which I just find sickening. Yes they do some great work, but modding shouldn't be about competition, it should be about letting people express their ideas. I wouldn't care if nobody downloaded my mod, the self satisfaction from finishing it would be enough and seeing what I thought of in a game. DS just seems to want to obliterate every other mod out there rather than help others. It's a disgrace to modding in my opinion, i'm not here to compete, i'm here to help others achieve their potential, not parade around saying how much better I am than everyone else.

Let's go back to communities and get rid of this whole Studios crap.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 10:01 PM

Well put, AGT. Very well put.

It's one thing I've always hated about the CnC Community. This whole, DO IT YOURSELF!!! mentality. There is no friendliness in it. People request help, nobody gives it, just telling them to learn how to do it yourself... it's very depressing. If you check other communities like UT and such, they all jump in to help fellow modders.

I too dislike the elitism of DS. I don't go there, but I know what you mean. Some of them are more than a little arrogant and it's hard not to feel like they're trying to blow their nose on you or something.

Oh, and Godwin, for the record, what me and AGT have said stays here... I don't see why you were so bothered about that. I didn't see an overt Revora bashing. Infact I didn't fully understand a lot of ur post. How can it be a monopoly? If anything Revora has the biggest monopoly on CnC community projects, followed closely by Freedom Studios and SavageWar...

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 10:32 PM

followed closely by Freedom Studios and Savage War? Meh.... these are far away from Revora, actually :laugh:... We have more than 70 C&C projects hosted here while Savage War and Freedom doesn't have even 30 projects together....

And this competition thing is ridiculous. Most of C&C players who played mods, played more than one or have more than one in their machines. There are several projects that I like and I help and I believe several people does the same. So, this whole competition thing is ridiculous, stupid.
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Posted 21 March 2005 - 07:19 AM

I'm pretty certain that you're not allowed to sell a mod due to the massive EULA you sign when installing any game these days removing essentially what all your rights as a consumer are. Any attempt to sell a mod would result in the massive lawsuit hammer falling quicker than you could say your mod's name. Modding will never be a paid work area, yes it would be great if we did, but I think we all came to modding to have some fun, to make some of our ideas and show them off to the world (or the small bundles of it that play them) rather than make some money from it.

I've never known of FedNET before but I can't stand the whole modding studios idea anyway and if it's anything like DS I will just completely ignore it. I know some people here are members of DS but I really can't stand them (DS, not the people here). They protrude this whole aura of greatness which I just find sickening. Yes they do some great work, but modding shouldn't be about competition, it should be about letting people express their ideas. I wouldn't care if nobody downloaded my mod, the self satisfaction from finishing it would be enough and seeing what I thought of in a game. DS just seems to want to obliterate every other mod out there rather than help others. It's a disgrace to modding in my opinion, i'm not here to compete, i'm here to help others achieve their potential, not parade around saying how much better I am than everyone else.

Let's go back to communities and get rid of this whole Studios crap.

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Please go read the DS "about page" to find out just why we do it.
DS was never about competition, isn't, and won't be. If you're talking about the merging and absorbing of mods, it's to consolidate talent and resources, not to outdo everyone else. If we see someone who has the skills, and has a similar idea to one of the DS mods, why leave him to waste time to form another team when he can just work on this mod?

I wouldn't care if nobody downloaded my mod, the self satisfaction from finishing it would be enough and seeing what I thought of in a game.


If you finished it. :laugh: Besides, no one would download it if it were a lousy mod. You basically just described modding as an ego boosting exercise.

DS just seems to want to obliterate every other mod out there rather than help others.


Examples? Examples of "obliterated mods"?


I certainly do not appreciate the way you just bashed DS, get your facts straight before trying to start a fight. Don't say you weren't starting a fight, because it's rather clear that there are DS staff here, so if you want to say those things, please say it in private.



It's one thing I've always hated about the CnC Community. This whole, DO IT YOURSELF!!! mentality. There is no friendliness in it. People request help, nobody gives it, just telling them to learn how to do it yourself... it's very depressing. If you check other communities like UT and such, they all jump in to help fellow modders.

I too dislike the elitism of DS. I don't go there, but I know what you mean. Some of them are more than a little arrogant and it's hard not to feel like they're trying to blow their nose on you or something.

Oh, and Godwin, for the record, what me and AGT have said stays here... I don't see why you were so bothered about that. I didn't see an overt Revora bashing. Infact I didn't fully understand a lot of ur post. How can it be a monopoly? If anything Revora has the biggest monopoly on CnC community projects, followed closely by Freedom Studios and SavageWar...

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Firstly, DS isn't about helping individual people.

Secondly, you cannot compare it with the UT mod community, we're just not at that level, be it skill or maturity, even within DS, so there.

Oh, and Godwin, for the record, what me and AGT have said stays here... I don't see why you were so bothered about that.


What I said was towards those who may relay this to FedNet, because there are clearly supporters around. I don't see why you're getting so paranoid. No one was bashing Revora.

And read my post, I never said DS, or anyone for that matter, held the monopoly. I was talking about FedNet upsetting the balance. If Detail and Arg got the idea, I don't see why you can't.

One last thing, if everyone worked alone in a "community", nothing will be achieved because no one learns anything from someone else. You obviously haven't been around long enough to know of what kind of a sad state the TS and RA2 modding scene was... so please do not start to comment on how DS is "doing things wrong".

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