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[AdmiralGT]

I wouldn't care if nobody downloaded my mod, the self satisfaction from finishing it would be enough and seeing what I thought of in a game.

If you finished it. Besides, no one would download it if it were a lousy mod. You basically just described modding as an ego boosting exercise.

I certainly do not appreciate the way you just bashed DS, get your facts straight before trying to start a fight. Don't say you weren't starting a fight, because it's rather clear that there are DS staff here, so if you want to say those things, please say it in private.

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I already have completed one mod for Generals single handedly with the use of public w3d's, prehaps you should get your facts right Godwin before starting a fight. I also think you need to understand the difference between ego boosting and achievement. Ego boosting would result in trying to impress other people, achievement is when you accomplish a goal. I know i'm not the best modder out there and know I never will be, but i'm going to plod along no matter what.

Firstly, DS isn't about helping individual people.

I think this proves my entire point and does your entire reply. Yes, my mod I made wasn't very good, but I made it, with my own hard work on my own. 5 people downloaded it and we played one game with it because it was quite poor. But I finished it and my vision was made, that's what modding is about, not this elite crap to make the best mod out there.

I'm not trying to start a fight, I just don't like the method DS operates under which I why I disagree with the whole FedNET thing. Modding is about letting people express themselves, accomplishing goals and prehaps releasing some good mods.

I thought you were a decent person Godwin, pity I was wrong.

[Hostile]

This subject addresses total non issues. This is comparing apples to oranges.

1) People can do whatever they want, FedNet and all.

2) We're talking about video games, that's all, just video games. See rule 1.

3) When we are dead and buried, little will be said of places like Revora and DS, and all the other places. See rule 2.


So what does it all matter. We all migrate from forum to forum anyway. It's just a matter of where you plant your flag!
To even expend the mental energy to write about this stuff is nonsense.

[theliberator]

I fully agree to Hostile!

I like the approach of Revora much more, but I also had good conversations with people from DS.
Also I can't say that all of them are arrogant. RVMech for example has allowed me to use his EnhancedAI-mod as template for ROTR's AI. He might be an exeption, though.

Anyways, DS doesn't affect my work, I don't need their help on modding and they don't need mine, so why should there be any bad blood??

I've never heard about FedNET, never, so why should we care about them??
Revora's the best network around. The service is great, the members are kind, the site, ftp and the forum do work properly and we have decent moderators (pointing at Hostile) , not that agressive kind like at Dee's

Edited by theliberator, 21 March 2005 - 10:20 AM.

[Detail]

I'm pretty certain that you're not allowed to sell a mod

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The Natural Selection/Unknownworlds team have made alot of money (i estimate $5000/£2500) for their donation system. People donate money and are given access to the beta version of the mod, they also get a different in-game icon. This appeals to many people, so they donate. As it is a donation, they are not actually buying the mod. The mod is just a 'thank you' for donating. This gets past many legal issues.

[Ash]

Firstly, DS isn't about helping individual people.

Then what is it about, if not total elitism? o_0 This is modding, not creating a whole new game...is there any need to be so insular?

Secondly, you cannot compare it with the UT mod community, we're just not at that level, be it skill or maturity, even within DS, so there.

I totally and wholeheartedly agree. The maturity stinks because of the lack of a community spirit. Everyone's out for glory. Need I go further? (I think anybody can work out my pragmatic)

What I said was towards those who may relay this to FedNet, because there are clearly supporters around. I don't see why you're getting so paranoid. No one was bashing Revora.

I'm not paranoid. Bash Revora all you like for all I care. It just sounded to me like that was why you wanted it kept in Staff. To be perfectly honest, I don't think FedNet will give two flying fucks if you bash them. I'd stake vital parts of my anatomy on that.

And read my post, I never said DS, or anyone for that matter, held the monopoly. I was talking about FedNet upsetting the balance. If Detail and Arg got the idea, I don't see why you can't.

Well apologies for not having a fucking crystal ball. I used to keep having to tell this to Detail: I haven't quite developed my telepathy yet.

Balance my arse...who cares. ANother new hosting site. Whoopee. let's make a big hubbub about it and be worried it might kill DerelictStudios/Revora/<INSERT NAME OF YOUR NETWORK HERE>. Godwin, you've more chance of getting PREGNANT than that happening.

One last thing, if everyone worked alone in a "community", nothing will be achieved because no one learns anything from someone else. You obviously haven't been around long enough to know of what kind of a sad state the TS and RA2 modding scene was... so please do not start to comment on how DS is "doing things wrong".

And don't start to patronise me, either. The community we are in has brought about the: FUCK OFF AND DO IT YOURSELF mentality that is common to a lot of the sites that make it up.
DS isn't making what is already a sad state any better, is it? However, I must confess it's not JUST DS.
If you check the Creative Pool on Revora you'll see what I mean...volunteerism isn't exactly common in any of the community. Don't take what I was saying about the community to be focused AT DS. I'm just saying that DS is quite an obvious epitome.

[Hostile]

Someone there named Total Prime doesn't really care for Revora

In my *humble* oppinion, FedNet should be as it was. All we have right now is that blasted revora, and that is getting on my nerves. There should be more options! We shouldnt be confined to that damn place!

[Detail]

Well apologies for not having a fucking crystal ball.    I used to keep having to tell this to Detail: I haven't quite developed my telepathy yet.

Balance my arse...who cares. ANother new hosting site. Whoopee. let's make a big hubbub about it and be worried it might kill DerelictStudios/Revora/<INSERT NAME OF YOUR NETWORK HERE>. Godwin, you've more chance of getting PREGNANT than that happening.

You should take the crystal ball more seriously. You really suck at making predictions.


For balance, there are 2 events:
- FedNET flops and the balance stays as it is. My vote goes for this one happening.
- FedNET rises and the community becomes even more thined out. Another site competing for viewers.

[Deathblow Luc]

Someone there named Total Prime doesn't really care for Revora

In my *humble* oppinion, FedNet should be as it was. All we have right now is that blasted revora, and that is getting on my nerves. There should be more options! We shouldnt be confined to that damn place!

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Like if i didnt knew. Bleh, you cant take seriously words from someone like him.

BP/Cabal/TUR/Yotta/G10<ch00bs<n00bs<newbies...

And this may go outside staff, i dont care, because thats what i think of him, and ive stated it before. And got my reasons. I personaly dont give a shit if the biggest newbie repellent around says such things.

[Apollo]

One last thing, if everyone worked alone in a "community", nothing will be achieved because no one learns anything from someone else. You obviously haven't been around long enough to know of what kind of a sad state the TS and RA2 modding scene was... so please do not start to comment on how DS is "doing things wrong".

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hmm, I would like some clarification to what you refer to by previous sad state?

as of right now I don't think the state is any better, we're still arrogant asses when it comes to helping, do it yourself attitude is still around.

I think some modders have learned quite a bit on their own very admirably without ever being in a team but of course without teams the amount of talented people grows much slower than if we were concentrated groups I think.

as for DS, well they run things different, mainly in secrecy while teams inside gain intel on various tricks and knowledge in modding, same can't be said for those whom just visit as its more focused in showing creations than getting bunch of tutorials up to share for the community... which is kinda shame but otherwise I got nothing against DS.

as for FedNet, I have a bad feeling somebody can't just let the dead stay dead to result in it falling back to grave again, maybe its the human feature of being stubborn

I just feel that being isolated isn't the way to go like some seem to, we should be sharing more as frankly it would promote more in this community to develop.

[Hostile]

I believe the sharing part is what makes Revora one of a few. We have dedicated modders who aren't pimping thier mods, thier pimping sites that show people how to do stuff.

Like Gendev, and Killasmods, Generals Editing, The 3rd Age, AI script Initiative, and many more. DS is more focused on self accomplishment. Good or bad, that's what it is.

They released a new video clip showing off thier stuff. Looks great. So I added my 2 cents saying it was good, a classy clip.

The reply was from a veteran who answered "Classy?" Like I'm speaking a fuking foriegn lanquage or something. Instead of hey thanx or whatever BS. So there is an aire of something there.

[Mastermind]

Someone there named Total Prime doesn't really care for Revora

In my *humble* oppinion, FedNet should be as it was. All we have right now is that blasted revora, and that is getting on my nerves. There should be more options! We shouldnt be confined to that damn place!

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He's told that to me directly...

(15:27:56) TotalPrime: Want to know one of the only things I have against revora?
(15:28:01) Mastermind: what?
(15:28:10) TotalPrime: The fact that it is a CREATIVE network
(15:28:14) TotalPrime: I ahte that
(15:28:15) TotalPrime: *hate
(15:28:47) TotalPrime: Because of this, less of the attention drawn to it will be CnC, and more will be some stupid webcomic, or some pictures of some dumbass' lego creations.
(15:29:14) Mastermind: C&C isn't the only thing out there
(15:29:46) TotalPrime: Yes, but it is what our community IS, we cannot have any stupid extras.
(15:29:51) TotalPrime: It depurifiers the community
(15:29:56) TotalPrime: *depurifies
(15:30:27) Mastermind: sorry, I don't agree with you at all.  having a wider audience could easily help to expand the community
(15:30:46) TotalPrime: Not CnC-wise

[Hostile]

You keep records of that stuff?

[chemical ali]

Idiot, burn him!

The fact is the CNC community died a bit, Revora helped it back up, diverisfieing is a good thing and thats why its making Rev such a big place.

[Mastermind]

You keep records of that stuff?

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I've got full contact logs. Everything you've ever said to me is still stored on my HD.

[Hostile]

Idiot, burn him!

The fact is the CNC community died a bit, Revora helped it back up, diverisfieing is a good thing and thats why its making Rev such a big place.

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I agree on diversied. I go to CGEN or The Den, and it's boring. All C&C and that's it. At least here you can throw the bull a bit with people. Deezire is kinda a unique place cause alot of us do run over there like a mommies boy when we can't figure stuff out here.

Even Sleipnirs Stuff is getting to be just C&C and Spam. Must be driving him nuts! He doesn't even mod anymore that I'm aware of...

I've got full contact logs. Everything you've ever said to me is still stored on my HD.

The J Edgar Hoover of Revora!

[Detail]

Revora was not designed to be CnC only. We never wanted to limit Revora to any one field. Revora is a 'jack of all trades' with sub-sites for being 'master of the trade'.

There is only one CnC-only network http://www.savagewar.co.uk Savage War. If people want CnC only, they should go there.

[Tom]

Jesus where did all this come from?

Revora is great, its unique. The guild and origin would probably have been dead by now if it wasn't for revora, well maybe just the guild. The CNC Community is boring now, i remember the good years when i actually enjoyed speaking to people there, when the official boards were open and everyone had a place to talk rather than being divided like it is now. Thats why revora has grown so much. The unity side of it, it took me a while to understand how detail was trying to get this place and now i see the aim.

And hes right, Savage War is the only real CNC place you can go without a n00b invasion. You can actually talk about CNC because Clazzy and all the guys there are still interested in it.

DS is different, i agree, i love their mods, but what ruins the community is as SD said, the elitest fashion. Everyone gets the picture that if they are on the DS team they are an elitest in the CNC Community. You can see that by the way some of them act. I was leading TA when they, well, "undermined" it, not that it matters but its just the fact rather than offering to help us they decided to take what could have been possibly a successful mod and make their own to "compete" secretly with it. Thats not unity, thats this elitism, because they think they are better.

All those people who bitch about the community are usually people who do nothing for it. You can't take take take and expect everything going to plan. If you give something then maybe you won't be so miserable, maybe you might get more support and happiness from the community rather than seeing it divided, seeing places as this like huge power mongering corporations who just want to consume everyone into our forum. Maybe thats what TotalPrime needs to do.

[Banshee]

Sites have their objectives and their fantasies.

Marsh puts all that formal stuff in FedNET to make people believe they are working or being hosted in a professional and respectable network. He does a great job with that by making a good design, spelling proper, making strong rules in FedNET forums. Outsiders has an impression that it was really a professional network, fantastic environment, ruled the world, etc... while it wasn't... it was just an ilusion... Here's what Marsh leaked himself in the FedNET news:

We had 20+ mods and 10+ hosted sites, but no results. We were a big network with great ideas, but nothing was being executed. The staff was huge, but a majority of them didn't do anything. In short, there were no results from time and money being invested in the network by its leaders, because no one expected results

It wasn't much different from what Revora is now... although we are getting better recently.


As for DS, it was a place made to create some of "the best mods of the world". If they really are, we don't really know. The way they keep their motivation is by believing they have some of "the best modders of the world". If they really have, I don't know... but I know that there are a lot of skilled people there and their mods are good. They might look like they have a boosted ego, but it's a way to feed their fantasies... let them dream .

[Godwin]

And don't start to patronise me, either. The community we are in has brought about the: FUCK OFF AND DO IT YOURSELF mentality that is common to a lot of the sites that make it up.
DS isn't making what is already a sad state any better, is it? However, I must confess it's not JUST DS.
If you check the Creative Pool on Revora you'll see what I mean...volunteerism isn't exactly common in any of the community. Don't take what I was saying about the community to be focused AT DS. I'm just saying that DS is quite an obvious epitome.

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You don't get it do you, DS is NOT AN EDITING COMMUNITY, that's why we never had editing forums and directed people to Deezire! We have enough work to do on our own, and we do try to help, but we can't help everybody for every little damned thing! For someone who doesn't even visit the place, you should really shut the fuck up.

And the reason I wanted it kept in private is because it is SENSITIVE, and you obviously have no concept within your conscious mind of what sensitivivity is, good luck in your life.

This thread was about FedNet, and I didn't even mention Revora till you came around and thought that I was being rather civil up till then, I seriously don't know what the hell your problem is, if you have something against us, which you obviously do, come tell it to us, or post in the rant forum, or go drink your milk and cry in a corner, and don't fill up this thread with that shit.

Edited by Godwin, 22 March 2005 - 03:39 AM.

[Mastermind]

People really could do with being a little bit less sensitive about things. I have had several people tell me that they don't like Revora, they think we are doing things wrong, that we're n00bs, etc, but I don't really care. Why should so much fuss be made over something like this? They are sites on the internet, that can disappear at any time, and probably will disappear within a few years. It's not like people will be writing epic stories about Derelict Studios, or eloquently eulogizing Revora. They are what we make them, and if other people don't like it, that's their problem. People have their opinions, they are very hard to change, so just learning to deal with them is the best you can do.