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#1 Dethro

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 07:17 AM

Hi Everyone,
Some of you know me, have known me for quite a while, whereas others of you don't. This is important to all of the forum leaders, and it is their involvement in this discussion I need.

I warn you, this stems directly from the CNCG vs Cannis argument.

You might have known that YR: Retaliation has been suffocating from lack of work for a while. Turn-A Gamer is thinking about removing it from his site, and he has granted me permission to put it up on mine. However, he is the key founder of the mod, but because so many people (including him, me, and some other celebrities) acted immaturely, he cannot visit here at all. Now, I know that most of you would be predisposed to say no to this, and I cannot blame you. However, he has given me his word and his bond that he will "play nice" so to speak, if he is allowed back in.

Please let me know what you think, and how you feel, and PLEASE, if you do vote yes or no, say why and state your reasons. Don't let this degenerate into a spam-war. This is important to me, and if you look hard enough, to all of you.
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#2 Andre27

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 07:25 AM

As far as i'm concerned he can become a member.
The whole CNCG-CGEN thing is obsolete and those who keep it up should grow up.

The normal rules would apply to him which means he'll have to behave like the rest of us.

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#3 ambershee

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 07:53 AM

I abstained from voting. I'm not familiar with his previous actions; define "acting immaturely".

#4 Dethro

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 07:59 AM

Hmm, well a while ago there were massive wars between Cannis and CNCG. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, was dragged into it and picked sides. Imagine what is currently happening between me+Komataguri+Argcmdr vs Radaral, on an epic scale. Spam, flames, attempts to hack etc, no-one is proud of what they did back then (at least, Im not). But, we are all (hopefully) more mature now.
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 08:44 AM

Was it a long time ago?

Is it still going on?

Is there any reason to stop going on with it?

Should we just forget about it?

Should we let him in?

Yes.

#6 Allied General

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:40 AM

I'm personally against it.

I like his work and I respect him for that.

But if it was a revora situation then he would probably say no.

Also the fact the C-GEN still has an black list of basically every CNCG member leaves a lot of to be desired.

I say its principle, once banned always ban.

Life is life.

I've been hearing that CGEN was pretty inactive (my own personal issues in an attempt to reconcile with Cannis have failed) so I don't see why the group should be so happy and welcoming.

Edited by Allied General, 26 April 2005 - 09:43 AM.

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#7 Skywaters

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 10:56 AM

But then personally what has he done against you. C-GEN was just like us.. they protected who they thought right. He isn't a bad guy.. Dethro and I talk to him quite a lot. Give him a trial and see how he goes.

Personally I say let him in.
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#8 Allied General

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:01 AM

okay if you agree, then okay i agree, i revoke my past no vote, butit still feels really uneasy :unsure:

Certain indiviudals still don't forget the past and cause "friction" if thats the correct word.

Edited by Allied General, 26 April 2005 - 11:03 AM.

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#9 Tom

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:09 AM

Um, TAG isn't banned. He is welcome here.

All he has to do is sign up, he was never banned at the guild, we just deleted his account.

Was it a long time ago?

Started March 2003, finally died down about a year later

Is it still going on?

No but from what i've seen idiots still mention it everywhere

Should we just forget about it?


Most of us forgot about it a few months after it happened.

#10 Godwin

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:32 AM

heh...
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#11 Banshee

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:44 AM

Yea, TAG isn't banned, really. And I fully agree with Hybrid, although C-GEN isn't that much of a graveyard, even that Rogue's Gallery is not being seen much and most of those who see it, doesn't take it that seriously anymore.
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#12 Andre27

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 05:21 PM

The only thing annoying about not being able to visit the C-Gen forum is not being able to keep up with Mooman's and Dcoder's work.

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#13 Natus

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 06:02 PM

I never thought I would ever suggest this, but maybe its time relations between CGEN and Rev (Which the Guild was absorbed into) were fixed. Try and affailiatte and negotiate the unbanning of Guild members now the whole ordeal is over. It would serve CGEN well to allow key Guild members back and it would serve Revora as we can further plug our mods. Its a balanced and equal trade off.
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 06:14 PM

Some of us have already tried that. I haven't heard anything about my last attempts.
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#15 chemical ali

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 06:14 PM

Let him in, someone who isnt IP banned renegotiate with C-GEN if you want I'll do it seeing as ive not been banned. The community has to stick together.
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:05 PM

Send Ali? That's not a good idea. That'll worsen the situation.

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#17 Andre27

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 10:01 PM

I never thought I would ever suggest this, but maybe its time relations between CGEN and Rev (Which the Guild was absorbed into) were fixed. Try and affailiatte and negotiate the unbanning of Guild members now the whole ordeal is over. It would serve CGEN well to allow key Guild members back and it would serve Revora as we can further plug our mods. Its a balanced and equal trade off.

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Well, we'll need a contact preferably someone known/respected by both forums.

MG has access to C-Gen AFAIK, but letting an actual member of the staff (which a Senator is supposed to be..) make first contact might work contra-productive.

Rattuskid is known at C-Gen and most ppl here know him from Sleiphnir's and/or Derelict. Perhaps we can ask Rattus to do some recon amongst staff from C-Gen.

From Cannis his point of view it's safe to assume he won't be sending loveletters this way or propose french kisses, but perhaps even he will admit that friendlier relations between the two of us will benefit both.

Edit:We can also contact Katmandu. She has an account at SSF, but more important she knows Cannis in RL.

Edited by Andre27, 26 April 2005 - 10:17 PM.

This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Andre 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.


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#18 Banshee

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 12:02 AM

I never thought I would ever suggest this, but maybe its time relations between CGEN and Rev (Which the Guild was absorbed into) were fixed. Try and affailiatte and negotiate the unbanning of Guild members now the whole ordeal is over. It would serve CGEN well to allow key Guild members back and it would serve Revora as we can further plug our mods. Its a balanced and equal trade off.

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There are some flaws in your request:

1) Affiliate? Cannis wants distance from us.

2) Negotiate unbanning of the Guild members? You cannot order Cannis to do anything at his home. He's just like Aircraft Killer with these things. This kind of negotiation is very hard, if not impossible and you would need to convince him that you are not ordering/forcing/telling him what to do/etc at his own home. Everything must come from his free will... and it's hard to get this...

3) Cannis has no interest on the guild people at all.

4) Sounds ballanced for us, but it doesn't sounds ballanced for Cannis.

5) Previous attempts to sort/re-affiliate has only added more people into the Roguey's Gallery and added more fuel to the feud.





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#19 Skywaters

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:10 AM

Meh.. I have access at C-GEN (When I got Broadband, my ISP changed so I could have access again). Technically I have everything you want. I talk alot with top modders and work with them (MooMan and I consulted alot re: YR², Sleip and I have been good friends for about 3 years... I beta'd The Project and was in line for Seaman's Rules before he stopped). The only problem is when he unbanned I did my best to be "neutral" and just say "Hey, Let's forget the past, i'm here to view some forums and not stir up trouble".

I was banned in 5 seconds :huh:
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#20 Hostile

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Posted 27 April 2005 - 02:19 AM

Who cares about Cannis and unbanning Guild members. Unban the reasonable ones for Revora or encourage them to come back. If it's not reciprocated who cares?

Cannis who? Know what I mean?




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