34 replies to this topic

[KaRsKiN]

Lets give a vote to the Underage peoples of the UK!

Edited by KaRsKiN, 02 May 2005 - 06:54 PM.

[Az3r^]

underage meh mines a proper vote im going later after college

[chemical ali]

Conservatives all the way, a vote for the liberals is a waste paper sheet.

[Tom]

Uh, when did you come to that conclusion ali? Thats only what labour say to stop tories getting in? Are you getting mixed up with the conservative lies or labour propaganda. I mean HOW THE FUCK? They are two different parties o_0

I really need to understand you more ali, your intellect is either way too superior for any human being to understand or your way to dumb to noticed the difference between tory lies and labour anti-tory propaganda.

[chemical ali]

No I am just superior to you

Lib dems no chance, the last time they were in power was 1918

[AdmiralGT]

Being 20 i'm able to vote in the elections and did in my constituency back home. My family is a traditional tory family and I too voted conservative. However, I don't want to conservatives to win this election, i'd rather labour since people might actually realise that Labour's number one stand is that we have a great economy isn't their doing. True, we have a good economy but not because of Labour. We have a good economy because of a Conservative idea (the Independent Monetary Commission) which decides interest rates in the UK. However, our good economy is largely due to our position in the economic cycle (we've been booming for the last 10 or so years) and naturally our economy will improve. Labour has merely facilitated an improvement rather than made any positive improvements. The next government will have to deal with a downturn in the economy (it's already began, sales figures are down about 10% for first quarter takings) and we will face higher unemployment and higher taxes. All in all, the next five years are not a good time to be running the economy.
On top of that, the next 5 year period will probably see a vote on entering the euro, destined to fail and further degrade labour support as well as a vote on the European Constitution which will also no doubt turn out poorly for Labour. In all, this is a good election to lose and I hope Labour wins so everyone can see that their years in power haven't been all that great.

[Tom]

Fair enough, i really need to try understand how the economy is run more

BTW if you want labour to win, why did you vote tories?

Power hasn't been great? They've given more to this country that tories ever have. The workers need looking after as well, not the greedy little pigs at the "top" or what they like to call the top.

[AdmiralGT]

I want my local MP to be Tory mainly because the Labour candidate has no intention of representive the needs of me or my family. I want labour to win the election but I want to be represented by someone who understands my views.

Labour want to give more power over the EU and make us a part of Europe. When the europeans actually do something for us I might consider supporting a pro-Europe policy.

*Edit* Exit polls suggest a 66 seat majority for Labour, not a very good result for them.

Edited by AdmiralGT, 05 May 2005 - 09:22 PM.

[AdmiralGT]

Well opinion this morning is that Labour will end up with a 66 seat majority which isn't the best of news for Tony since he'll probably have difficulty putting through some of his more adventurous bills such as ID cards. I think the war skewed a lot of votes towards Lib Dem in this election away from Labour but they failed to make any significant gains against the Conservatives. All in all, about what everyone expected really, no doubt Tony will be out the door of number 10 quite quickly since I doubt he wants to spend time struggling to pass bills.

[Az3r^]

sigh more labour :(
ah well at least now it realy is a 3 way party battle

[Tom]

Labour is better than conservatives. Just to show what a loser michael howard is, he resigned. After getting so close and probably a guaranteed win in 2010 he resigned. Hmm 3rd in the row, whos next?

As for liberals, i think its pretty unfair imo, yet one day, they will get in, whos knows about the next 5 years. I'm hoping as time goes on people realise their ignorance to believing conservative lies and the imminant threat from ignoring global warming and many other things in the world.

For now i'm going to support blair and his attempts to begin the "make poverty history" campaign in africa.

[AdmiralGT]

I think it's a good move that Michael Howard is resigning. He's been an MP for a long time and is getting on quite a bit, and he isn't going to get a shot at PM for 5 years and then he'll have a 5 year stand which is another 10 years on top of his already long standing career. By resigning now he allows for a younger leader to take the reigns and for what should be a PM position at the next election.

As for the Lib Dems, that shouldn't be given power at any cost. While it marks it's tax changes as progressive it actually hits Middle England hardest. Higher earners can afford accountants to swing it so they won't pay 60% tax and those not earning over £100,000 wont pay it. As for local income tax, another way to hit middle england hardest. People don't realise that higher tax rates don't mean more tax income. There is a fine balance between income and rates, if rates go up, people leave and take their taxes with them. The only reason Lib Dems have done well this election is the War on Iraq. Nearly all the Lib Dem gains were in Labour held seats. The majority of Lib Dem voters weren't voting for Lib Dem, they just didn't want to vote for Labour and wanted to stuff Labour over. And that's exactly what we have.

[Tom]

I don't agree with the 50% tax rate on over 100,000, i believe it should be for a higher band. 250,000 sounds reasonable to me.

As for the liberals, i think in this election they hit the nail straight on the head. People are just too stupid and selfish to realise. Politics shouldn't be about money. Your money will mean nothing to you when your dead. Politics should be able the future, the future of the country, of our world and mankind. The high tax rates is so the dems could increase spending and do things that are needed. An education reform is desperate needed, the environment definately needs safe guarding. Labour and tories do nothing for the environment, the tories are the worst however.

No one is going to care about 50% tax rates if an ice age start in another 50 - 100 years or even as tornadoes become more frequent and ripping up their houses. Ignorance and greed is just ruining peoples ways of thinking straight. Forget tories, they are dumb, forget labour, they are too slow. IMO, liberals would take us forward faster than labour could.

[Comrade Kal]

Guaranteed tory victory? Most people probably voted against Labour because of Blair. In 4/5 years, people will probably be so bored of Blair, Brown will be welcomed with open arms and Labour will win again.

The Conservatives will never win. Ever. You only have to look whenever Michael Howard is speaking and see that almost everyone there is over 60.

[Tom]

Not guaranteed kal. The tories still have a chance. Depends what blair does for the next 5 years. Only time will be able to tell the true result.

[Ash]

Somebody remind me...what's changed for the average working-class citizen of this country since Labour got in, from when the Tories were last in power?

I'm curious.

[Comrade Kal]

Lots. More benefits such as more money put into schools, hospitals, etc etc..... a far more stable economy, precious few strikes, benefits for old people and money for students, a fairer method that ensures people from all classes can be educated and go to university, foxhunting banned, and they've had a minimum wage (Major's government didn't have one and insisted the economy would collapse if it was brought in. Of course, it did no such thing and actually remained an awful lot more stable.)

[Tom]

Labours done so much since 1997, thatss apparent, and i think many changes are good, but they still need to approach things such as the education system and the environment with more priority.

[Comrade Kal]

You could say the election was the best possible result. Labour have been doing a hell of a lot better than the tories, but have still been lacking on certain issues. They stayed in, but got a much smaller majority, so we kept the tories out and gave labour a kickup the arse to get them to do something.

It also means Labour can't just force bills through relying on sheer number of MPs. WHich can be good or bad - if Blair hadn't forced through the ban on foxhunting and wanted to do it now, it'd be tricky getting it through the commons and absolutely impossible getting it through the house of lords.

[Tom]

Lucky i guess, because i believe the majority will be against the ID cards, which is a good thing. I don't want to carry a bloody id card, its not going to change anything.