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[Shinigami]

Neither do i, i just believe it will cut crime mutliple ways. Study also shows smoking tobacco is more harmful than smoking Marijuana unless you mix tobacco with marijunana as many do.

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Are you stupid? Yes.

Pot smokers hold pot in longer whoch does more damage to your lungs right off. Perhaps if I feel like taking the time, Ill look up a full liist of reasons why you're wrong.

[Silent_Killa]

I remember hearing that a joint was worth some 10 or 20 cigarettes. But it's your body, you can (or at least should be able to) do whatever you want with it.

[Kazyumi]

Legalizing drugs aint all sun and skittles as it looks.

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I'm afraid your very right about that.

Especially the hard drugs can fuck society up.
There even some drugs like LSD or some Java pill that make you insane and could get you into a homicidal mood.

if not that, then what you said Blodo.

Edited by Hooligan, 28 May 2005 - 08:20 AM.

[Tom]

Fair enough, "facts" i've read said it wasn't as bad as tobacco. Still i only support the legalisation of cannabis, no other drug typically because i do agree with blodo. Personally i'd rather see people be chilled out and not fighting each other instead of kicking each other in because they are pissed and get into a violent state every weekend. Its possible many people would swtich to smoking cannabis rather than drinking because typically it would be cheaper, however i know that would not be the entire case.

[chemical ali]

Indeed, when people are stoned they just lie there, when people are drunk they started picking up broken bottles and fighting. I would rather walk past a load of stoned people than a load of drunk people.

[Shinigami]

Drugs have a different effect on everyone, no matter how slight. Pot generally relaxes people, but watch COPS or some police show sometime, and you'll clearly see how violent a man on crack can be.

[Tom]

I don't support cocaine, crack or heroin, they are far more dangerous than cannabis.

[Daeda]

Obviously no one here sees that legalizing drugs would turn many cities into total shitholes, with so many junkies youd trip over them when walking down the street. Millions of people smoke cigs because theyre easy to get and no one widely says its bad. Since drugs would be easier to get if legalized there would be the 'if-you-smoke-it-i-wanna-too' syndrome. More junkies, more addicts etc etc Generally people with a weak will would get caught under the pressure, and theres lots of people with weak wills.

Obviously you're not Dutch and do not see the real effect of legalising softdrugs. I live in a country where it is legal to do drugs, but does this mean that everybody is blowing the shit ou of themselves? NO, in fact a lot of people dont do drugs. Research has given out that more people tried drugs in the states and in the UK than in the Netherlands where it's legal. In fact in big cities like amersterdam a lot of trouble caused by junkies is by those Drug trourists from the States and France and so on who just have to try it. Making things legal sometimes has a backdrawing effect, its legal so its no longer attractive as a rebel act. I never did drugs and I probably never will, but if I had to choose between smoking and softdrugs Id go for softdrugs, its less harmfull, because you have to try real hard to OD on softdrugs. I read that Cj said he knew his half street was blowing.. well Perhaps 1/5th of my class ever blowed, but I think it might even be 1/10th. So your argument is weak.

Legalizing drugs aint all sun and skittles as it looks. Maybe there are idiots who want to waste themselves on drugs (i dont care too much since its their choice and they know the dangers), but i dont want to see people trying to rob me in the middle of my neighbourhood (since those harder addicted will run out of money eventually anyways even if the drug is almost free, so stealing galore after that). Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, but like I said, thats not a big part of the people here, and the chances of an OD is low. Harddrugs on the other hand should never be legalised. The reason to legalise Softdrugs is to make sure that the poeple that want to do drugs can do it, but not harm themselves and others by dangerous shit like heroine or cocaine. Harddrugs are evil, softdrugs are harmless.. or atleast not more than smokng or drinking. Plus Id rather hang around somebody who's stoned than around somebody who's drunk.. Drunken people are bitches, stoned people are funny..

[Comrade Kal]

Alcohol has a very different effect on people. It starts by loosening people up, but when people get actually drunk, there's actually a fairly small percentage that stay happy. Most people get aggressive or violent or depressive.

With Cannabis, on the other hand, there is a very small percentage of people who will get either of those 3. Most will simply be relaxed.

If it's good enough for Queen Victoria, it's good enough for the rest of us.

[Silent_Killa]

relaxed... not really, usually afterwards when you're burnt out yeah.

The problem with weed isn't what people do when they're on it, it's what they do when their not. That and it usually leads to harder drugs, weed will only work for a while.

Obviously you're not Dutch and do not see the real effect of legalising softdrugs. I live in a country where it is legal to do drugs, but does this mean that everybody is blowing the shit ou of themselves? NO, in fact a lot of people dont do drugs. Research has given out that more people tried drugs in the states and in the UK than in the Netherlands where it's legal. In fact in big cities like amersterdam a lot of trouble caused by junkies is by those Drug trourists from the States and France and so on who just have to try it. Making things legal sometimes has a backdrawing effect, its legal so its no longer attractive as a rebel act. I never did drugs and I probably never will, but if I had to choose between smoking and softdrugs Id go for softdrugs, its less harmfull, because you have to try real hard to OD on softdrugs. I read that Cj said he knew his half street was blowing.. well Perhaps 1/5th of my class ever blowed, but I think it might even be 1/10th. So your argument is weak.

perhaps the reason not as many people do drugs there is because you have so few people?

[chemical ali]

Alcohol has a very different effect on people. It starts by loosening people up, but when people get actually drunk, there's actually a fairly small percentage that stay happy. Most people get aggressive or violent or depressive.

With Cannabis, on the other hand, there is a very small percentage of people who will get either of those 3. Most will simply be relaxed.

If it's good enough for Queen Victoria, it's good enough for the rest of us.

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but you say to me you never do or will do drugs

[Tom]

Weed doesn't lead to harder drugs. Most of the guys i know at college that smoke it said they would only stick to it. You'd be amazed how many people who smoke weed believe other drugs are stupid. I myself don't believe it leads people to harder drugs, only a minority of people lead themselves there after weed. I'll look for a study, i think i do remember they did one and found the percentage of people doing weed actually went onto trying hard drugs was low.

[Daeda]

perhaps the reason not as many people do drugs there is because you have so few people?

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Ever hear of a phenomina called percentages?
Let me explain, they research a lot of people, and get a percentage out of it, like 1%, which means 1 out of 100. In that way it doesnt matter how many people you have because you express it in a comparasation to a defined number that doesnt change on what country you messure it. So its really trustfull.

And about the harddrug argument, the idea here is that if people can do softdrugs legal they might think twice of doing harddrugs illegal, while in the States and so it wont matter cause its illegal anyway.

[Ash]

Everyone knows those sample surveys are crap. For a kickoff you've got social desirability as your'e asking them a question they might not feel comfortable answering. (also people telling you what you want to hear...ie, 'I don't do weed').
You've got a shit unrepresentative sample (400 people in Amsterdam is nowhere near a wide enough sample to account for all of Holland. You certainly can't generalise it...).

[Silent_Killa]

Ever hear of a phenomina called percentages? 
Let me explain, they research a lot of people, and get a percentage out of it, like 1%, which means 1 out of 100. In that way it doesnt matter how many people you have because you express it in a comparasation to a defined number that doesnt change on what country you messure it. So its really trustfull.

you said more people, not a higher percentage, there's a difference.

Weed doesn't lead to harder drugs. Most of the guys i know at college that smoke it said they would only stick to it. You'd be amazed how many people who smoke weed believe other drugs are stupid. I myself don't believe it leads people to harder drugs, only a minority of people lead themselves there after weed. I'll look for a study, i think i do remember they did one and found the percentage of people doing weed actually went onto trying hard drugs was low.

They say that now. Just as you probably said in grade school that you'd never do any drugs. It stops working eventually, I've seent he progression, usually starts with weed, then you go onto meth, coke, etc. Not everyone does, most people are just experimenting, but real users will almost always at least try a harder drug.

[Comrade Kal]

So if we're clueless as to whether people move on to harder drugs from marijuana or not how do you know?

[Silent_Killa]

First hand. Second hand. Third hand. That work for you?

[Comrade Kal]

No. Perhaps you shouldn't just assume none of us know about it first hand, or indeed second or third.
But let us remember the only reason Cannabis was made illegal (in Britain at least) was because nobody wanted to fight when WW1 broke out and it wasn't legalised since.

Edited by Lord Kal, 08 June 2005 - 08:25 PM.

[Silent_Killa]

I'm not telling you you don't know what you're talking about, I'm saying what I've seen. Usually, I watch a progression with people, I watched a progression in myself once, it starts with weed.

[Blodo]

Obviously you're not Dutch and do not see the real effect of legalising softdrugs. I live in a country where it is legal to do drugs, but does this mean that everybody is blowing the shit ou of themselves? NO, in fact a lot of people dont do drugs. Research has given out that more people tried drugs in the states and in the UK than in the Netherlands where it's legal. In fact in big cities like amersterdam a lot of trouble caused by junkies is by those Drug trourists from the States and France and so on who just have to try it. Making things legal sometimes has a backdrawing effect, its legal so its no longer attractive as a rebel act. I never did drugs and I probably never will, but if I had to choose between smoking and softdrugs Id go for softdrugs, its less harmfull, because you have to try real hard to OD on softdrugs. I read that Cj said he knew his half street was blowing.. well Perhaps 1/5th of my class ever blowed, but I think it might even be 1/10th. So your argument is weak.

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Obviously the whole world isnt dutch. They dont have your mentality either, its generally cause people characters tend to vary in different parts of the world FYI. It may work for you but it wont for others, thats why tourists are causing crap in your country (as you say). I know whats the mentality in my country (and generally most of eastern europe) is and im saying that drugs are bad and they should be illegal.

Besides like Silent_Killa said, it starts with weed.

Edited by Blodo, 09 June 2005 - 01:31 PM.