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#1 Komataguri

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Posted 11 July 2005 - 02:06 AM

All it takes is one massive show from mothernature for us, The most advanced race in the known history of the earth, to be put back in our place from our on high arrogance and belief that we mold this world.


All it takes is one earthquake, One landslide, One Hurricane, One Tsunami, to show us just how truely powerless we are.



I was just sitting here thinking, With Hurricane Dennis skirting by me, Watching a special on Hurricanes on the National Geographic Channel, about how truely powerless we really are.


I sit here, Watching this special on TV, thinking about how the entire southern end of Florida was set into ruin by a act of nature, How there was nothing for the millions left homeless, powerless, phoneless, and waterless.


Thinking about how the people of southern Florida were just hours away from total Anarchy and the murdering of their neighbors because emergency supplies like food and water were to few and far between.


And then I think, About my very first active hurricane season last year.


What? Over 10 years since Andrew?

Hurricanes Charley, Jeane, Ivan and and Frances, All hit me.


I was without power for over a month and a half total time.


We were, in my area, much more lucky then the poor victims of Andrew, With the generator providing power, We actually had working cable and phone, and running water.

Our sewage was iffy, They were bringing massive tanker trucks into the area to syphon the sewage from the sewers, and were running MASSIVE generators to power the sewer pumps down the road to keep the sewage from backing up into peoples homes.


Despite all our technological advancements, Despite how powerful we arrogantly believe we are, We are still no better then the animals that share this earth with us.

When the disasters come, Our homes are destroyed, and we fight and kill our neighbors should the supplies of food and water come into too short of a supply.


Its hard to believe, We, Humans, Self aware animals who are capable of wielding the powers of the sky, space, and the atom. Capable of manipulating the very building blocks of life, Yet we can not protect ourselves from Natures fury.


Its horrible to imagine, But things are going to get worse.


Natural disasters are going to become more frequent, THey are going to grow in power, They are going to take us by suprise with nothing we can do but sit in our little holes, and hope and pray to whatever gods we may believe in that our homes are not brought down on top of us.


Sigh.


Don't mind this post, I was just me coming to the realization that, despite however weak I used to think humans are, We are even weaker then what I imagined... WHen it comes to the actions of this planet who has given life to us.



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Posted 13 July 2005 - 11:19 AM

The irony about all this is todays weather is mostly the aftermath of the rapid industrialisation in the 20th century, which means we ourselves made it like this. Not that im against the industralisation of course, it was necessary since the world was growing rapidly also, and times kinda change.

But still its a rather large irony...

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 12:05 PM

i live in Indialantic FL we had to evacuate for jeanne and francis but the others including dennis didnt hit me
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 01:03 PM

The thing with natural disasters is.. you might think we're powerless as humans blah blah blah, but the human race always survives whatever the planet throws at us. We are not weak just because a hurricane destroys our homes. The human race shows strength and resolve to rebuild what we have lost and to carry on living.

You say that we can't protect ourselves from nature's fury. I call knowing when and where the hurricane will strike, and evacuting people away from soon to be affected areas protecting ourselves.

People who's homes are destroyed, they may seemingly be left with nothing, but they still have the most important and precious part of all: life.

Yes, there is nothing we can do about mother nature. But in the aftermath of whatever is thrown at us, the human race rebuilds and continues. That is not weakness.

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 07:52 PM

Yeh but recently its kinda absurd that we think of a disaster as our failure when as much as 1 man dies. 6 billion people can never be wiped out at one moment by a disaster (not including of course the highly unlikely meteor, but even after then we would probably still live since afaik theres even means of growing food underground with artificial lighting). Personally i think the fact that we humans dont sit down and cry, instead rebuild ourselves all the time no matter what hits us is just one of our countless victories.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 10:47 AM

What Blodo said ^

One human is powerless.

Several thousand can move a mountain, and shape our very planet.

No, we are no match for Mother Nature even though we might like to try to be, but there's no use lamenting over what cannot be changed. Rather than live in fear, why not instead make better use of the time we do have alive? After all, we're a long time dead...

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 08:52 PM

Yeh but recently its kinda absurd that we think of a disaster as our failure when as much as 1 man dies. 6 billion people can never be wiped out at one moment by a disaster (not including of course the highly unlikely meteor, but even after then we would probably still live since afaik theres even means of growing food underground with artificial lighting). Personally i think the fact that we humans dont sit down and cry, instead rebuild ourselves all the time no matter what hits us is just one of our countless victories.

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So you consider it a victory to have your shit destroyed, rebuilt, and have that destroyed again.



You must be French.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 09:42 PM

Let me rephrase that then: I consider a victory that we dont get wiped out by nature (and it doesnt look as if its gonna happen anyways, too many of us), instead thinking up new ways to stop any and all casualties from occuring. We have active weather monitoring, very sensitive seismographs, observatories to watch for incoming rocks, etc. etc. That IS survival. Its the fact that everyone can evade the disaster, since theres no effective 100% means of stopping it. Would you rather your shit stayed as it is but the catastrophe wiped you out? I dont think so.

Besides youre still here talking with us, youre not surprised when a hurricane passes by, cause - guess what - youve been told a couple days before it was gonna happen. By that time you could reach Canada or Mexico if you wanted init but you probably dont.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 10:14 PM

You sir, are less then well informed.


All of our " weather tracking " and geographic monitoring are nothing more then a best guess.


Hurricane Charley for instance, Every prediction they made for it was WRONG. way way way wrong

And alot of people were caught unprepared, and alot of people evacuated from a place it didn't even hit, taking up room in shelters in the areas that was actually hit.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:19 PM

Well naturally-occuring disasters can be foiled by simply not building cities in places where they occur. (I mean, building homes in a place called 'Tornado Alley'... i've no sympathy for these people) If it's due to climate change, then obviously it's due to industrialisation...
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 01:49 PM

There is about a 10% or so chance that the synoptics will be wrong. Guess they used their 10% all in one go with Charley.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:06 PM

I have to agree with Kal on that one. It does seem absurd to build in a place where tornadoes are known to happen often...or right at the foot of a volcano or on a fault line.

However by another token look at it this way:

Who kills more people? Natural disasters, or other people?
Who causes more destruction? Natural disasters, or our own armies/stupidity (eg Chernobyl or factory explosion)
How much stuff that isn't man-made is ALSO destroyed by those things? How many trees get flattened by the tornado?

As usual we only think about our own individuality.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:50 PM

Natural disasters are absolutely natural. Without them, you would notice intense climatic changes, and perhaps overpopulation of certain species.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:54 PM

Like humans for perhaps?

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:58 PM

I hate to say it but, um. No shit.

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Posted 15 July 2005 - 04:12 PM

I've been wondering for a long time now. Craploads of hurricanes hit Florida, yet most houses you see on TV from that place (I don't know if it's a distorted picture) are made from wood. While here in Holland, there's never ever ever been a hurricane or anything even close to it, and all the houses are brick. Brick would seem sturdier to me. Why not just build brick homes in Florida?

Oh, and about nature being powerful... Even the tsunami killed 'only' a few thousand people of the 6 billion in total. During the Cold War, there were enough nucleair weapons to blow up the Earth several times. Who is more powerful?
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Posted 18 July 2005 - 01:06 PM

Nukes vs giant meteorite.

My money's on the meteorite. At least a proportion of humanity would probably survive the nukes, as would a number of other species.

With a meteorite...everything's fucked, and life has to more or less start again.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 07:20 PM

I dont think either of these would present a rather good chance for us to get back up.

Before the meteorite hits the earth people could evacuate underground, but then what? Live like moles? I dont think so. Probably same thing goes with nukes. Since there probably wont be just one nuke but like a hundred at once, everything will be demolished/dead/insert some other gruesome thing here anyways. Humanity wouldnt get back up for a looooong time after eitherof these, if it would ever.

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