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[Tom]

o_0 Solved what? Nothing is to be solved?

[Samael]

No I mean what you said.

Damn and i was so close. Matt your just proving a point to myself. Those who step out to say something that the government has not told you, get attacked. You do realise a majority of my responses on this forum are to get attitudes and opinions, meaning i may say things to generate responses like that.

And really, your in no position to tell anyone that none of its possible, because, my friend, you are like the rest of us, we can only believe what we are told, or believe nothing. It's best to believe nothing, as we know nothing and will not fall into traps, unless the evidence is self explantionary.

We don't know anything execpt all the lies the gov't has told us but we can't tell if those are lies or truth so all we can do is 2nd guess.

[Comrade Kal]

The two points "There is a conspiracy. There MUST be. Obviously." and "There isn't be a conspiracy. There CAN'T be. Obviously." are both equally valid. However, what Tom has said is "There could be a conspiracy", whereas MSpencer is saying "THERE IS NO FUCKING CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"... considering a lack of proof, he's arguing particularly vehemently..

[MSpencer]

I'm arguing vehemently because I'm tired of the soapbox, in which natural disasters are now blamed on my country. We're not talking about Nazi Germany here, we're talking about the country on the other side. You know, the one that bailed France out a couple thousand times?

[Tom]

We are talking about the US, mainly the UK (royalty seems to have a high part to play in the ideals of it) and the new europe. You take offense to "your country" being "attacked" spence. America is your country, those people in your government don't represent your country. All they represent is the corruption that happens when we give people power. They aren't americans, they couldn't care for america, they got their own ideas on a worldwide economy (globalisation). Doesn't take much to see how it all fits in. If you loved your country so much spence, you'd stop them taking your constitution away from you, because every day they shit another load ontop of it. Britain has it's own problems aswell, same as the rest of europe.

[Comrade Kal]

Frankly, MSpencer, I really don't care about your country and I don't care about my country in the patriotic sense. Patriotism just blinds people to the truth for a sense of identity. I didn't choose to be born in Britain. And i'm not going to say "ooh, better not insult the US, some people are patriotic towards them! And they did bail France a few times..."

If you want to play the France card, bear in mind that were it not for France, you'd be another one of our colonies and now just another country in the commonwealth rather than a superpower.

[Tom]

Actually Kal, it's difficult to suggest the US has never been under the influence of the winsor and royalty families because to this day, many presidental families and elitist families are related in bloodline to the winsor family. Could be maybe the British royalty running the show instead, would seem a major deception and very smart deception. America takes the hits but really the power lies within the family blood line. Keep the money in the family, religious, political and royal dynasties actually rule the world, money just comes into it as a form of control over the population below.

[Daeda]

To widen that conspiracy idea, just use the free masons or even Illumanati if you wish. We do know that quite a few founding fathers where freemasons, its still quite normal in the US AFAIK. The illumanati would have been a group of Elitists, often members of the Freemanonsry. The llumanati is often said to beleave in a world not controlled by religion nor monarchy (wich actually means the US isnt fully iluminated yet, since it is in fact controled by religion). The illumanati we often speak of is the Bavarian Illumanati, founded in Germany in 1776 by ex-Jesuit Adam Weishaubt. In 1784 the Bavarian Governament forbide every secret society and the Illumanati was gone.

Now those are facts. Its a conspiracy that the Illumanati lived on as a splintergroup among the Freemasons, which is quite possible. Due to the time its also possible that they did have influence on the founding of the USA, since that revolution was between 1175 and 1783, and we know for sure that atleast Benjamin Franklin was a Mason and posibly Thomas Jefferson as well.

So its quite possible that a sort of Illuminati still excists, in fact we can be sure it does.. its called a lobby in modern politics though. Might be backscreen etc, but it does excist in some way. America doesnt say Israël to shut up because Israëlian Lobbyists wont allow them to. It seems more than plausable atleast one of these Lobbies could be called our modern Illuminati, where the real power lays.

The president is not as powerfull as som people tend to beleave. a president is just like a king in parlamental democracies.. he just has to sign the stuff. His party controlls him. Control both democrats and republicanians in some way (AKA funding) and you are very powerfull.

[Samael]

Yes I agree and this part is from a movie I saw.

To widen that conspiracy idea, just use the free masons or even Illumanati if you wish. We do know that quite a few founding fathers where freemasons, its still quite normal in the US AFAIK. The illumanati would have been a group of Elitists, often members of the Freemanonsry. The llumanati is often said to beleave in a world not controlled by religion nor monarchy (wich actually means the US isnt fully iluminated yet, since it is in fact controled by religion). The illumanati we often speak of is the Bavarian Illumanati, founded in Germany in 1776 by ex-Jesuit Adam Weishaubt. In 1784 the Bavarian Governament forbide every secret society and the Illumanati was gone.

But it does seem very much possible that our founding fathers are masons.

[Daeda]

Thats why its conspiracy.. still there is cotroll over the governament by groups we dont hear about. And if it wasnt the Illumanati, then there's stil the chance of another splintergroup within the Masonry.

Its not that hard to control people you know. Look at WW2. Just create conditions that make it bad and then take advantage by it by telling people to do it with extreme measures. Modern politics are perhaps less extreme, but they work the same way. and america is actually idea, because it only has 2 parties. Controll both, make one hated so the other will win and then backwards.. an infinite loop of power. And like i said, its not at all that hard to do. You dont even need to bribe people, just use the fact that the masses are stupid. Every president canidate is completely controlled by his (or her) party once he/she is at the point of becomming a presidents canidate (or a senator for that matter) you just let the party brainwash the canidates, and then make sure you still hold controll over the party. Its easy, and not reall that hard to hide. Just call it lobyism and people will see it as normal.

the "Illuminati" excists. Wether its really the Illumanati or another organisation or just a person. There are definately groups that are in controll over the States

[Samael]

Ok now some of us beleive the illuminati exist now let talk about some of their serects.

Project Blue book. If the gov't says that they don't do serects test at Area 51 then why such cover up.

Project Blue Book info: http://www.nicap.dab...uk/unknowns.htm

http://www.ufoeviden...ectBlueBook.htm


If you guys know any other serects that the gov't cover up or evolve with illuminati.

[Tom]

Daeda, it's called the "Problem, Reaction, Solution" scenario. Works like this:

Problem: Terrorists fly planes into WTC
Reaction: OMG save us
Solution: More laws to turn american into a police state gets passed, they get the wars they want and can continue to dismantle religion in the middle east by blaming events on "terrorists" or suicide bombers.

Thats how it works. It has always worked like that and they will continue to do it whilst the people run from door to door trying to hide from an enemy that doesn't even exist. Smart, extremely smart. The illuminati and the masonries are so incredibly manipulative its literally unbelievable. The society we live in is a matrix, both lower levels (masonry society) or higher levels (god/spirituality). The masonries want to make a society that makes a lower matrix so its difficult to connect to the higher matrix (God). Hence they become more powerful and controlling. This is happening right now and started happening since the formation of the UN, the masonry elite base. It's what will lead the "world government" after WWIII, which is apparently meant to be part of the "doomsday prophecy." 2015 is the date i believe.

What people don't realise is, they say it's not possible, but thats only because they are choosing not to believe it's possible. Like neo was told in the matrix, "the problem is choice." There is no much evidence nowadays however people discard it because its on "conspiracy sites." Oooooh, so they prefer "official" controlled versions like the media. Why do you think they are trying to clamp down on the internet. To stop people accessing sites that will lead them to believe reality is otherwise (spiritual).

People don't get it, the masonries exist, i'm sure david icke would spend his whole life researching them and writing spin just to get famous and hated. That sounds really good yeah. People are just too ignorant to care, they don't care whats happening to the world, they would rather go with the bribe: an easy capitalist society. Then before they know it *BANG* they are half way into communism.

Mussolini said "corporatism is the first stage of fascism." Thats whats happening now throughout the west. The UK, USA and Europe. They are trying to merge europe into a bigger power base. Now i'm british, britain has been known since the beginning of its empire to like a "balance of power" in europe. Thats why we are so reluctant to join it. It's in our heritage. If europe merges, the balance of power is gone and we have one state ready for a fascist takeover. Didn't we try stop that in WWII? Why are we doing it now?

People say they hate communism/fascism, but thats exactly what is happening. What do both have in common? Centralisation and power. The evidence is there, you know all this, you knew it before you were born, you just can't remember it. Once someone starts searching for the truth, it's easy to find because they will be constantly reminded along the way.

There are many secret societies, the jesits, the illuminati/masonry, elite of 300. Just research it, most likely they are linked to each other, maybe not.

At the end of the day if it isn't true and we are all paranoid bastards then at least you know your safe, if it is true and you research it and understand it, then you will be ready for it. Really is a win win situation.

[Samael]

Hmm, I don't know if that answered my question. But anyways the other secerts that are with hold from us is the Roswell inccident and the mission to the moon some beleive we did put a man on a moon but others don't I beleive it was a way to enlighten us about the power we have so it is just another type of influencing.