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[stack111]

which plane is better f-22 or Su-47 Why?

[Lee]

Yer, why?

[ComradeJ]

which plane is better f-22 or Su-47 Why?

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Probably doesn't matter as much as circumstances and pilot skills do.

[Blodo]

Su-47 [S-37] Berkut

Specifications 
Country of Origin Russia 
Builder Sukhoi 
Role 
Similar Aircraft   
Wingspan:  15.16 m - 16.7 m 
Length overall:  22.2 m - 22.6 m
Height overall  6.36 m - 6.40 m 
Weight empty, equipped :  24,000 kg (52,910 lb) -- 26000 kg (57,320 lb)
Max T-O weight :  34,000 kg (74,960 lb) 
Engines:  2 Perm Aviadvigatel D-30F6 (34,170 lbst), or
2 Saturn/Lyul'ka AL-37FU afterburning 142.2 kN (31,966 lb st) with afterburning
thrust-vectoring in pitch -20o to 20o at 30o per second 
Max level speed at height :  2,500km/h (1,350 knots) 
Max level speed at S/L :  1,400km/h (756 knots)
Service ceiling :  18,000 m (59,050 ft)
Range with max fuel at height :  1,782 nm (3,300 km/2,050 miles) 
Number of hardpoints:  14: 2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 6-4 conformal underfuselage
Air-to-air :  R-77, R-77PD, R-73, K-74
Air-to-surface:  X-29T, X-29L, X-59M, X-31P, X-31A, KAB-500, KAB-1500
Crew:  1

F-22 Raptor

Projected Employment 15,000 in EMD and 27,000 in production 
Propulsion two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines 
Thrust 35,000 lbst 
Length 62.08 feet, 18.90 meters 
Height 16.67 feet, 5.08 meters 
Wingspan 44.5 feet, 13.56 meters 
Wing Area 840 square feet 
Horizontal Tailspan 29 feet, 8.84 meters 
Maximum Takeoff Weight 
Ceiling 
Speed Mach 1.8 (supercruise: Mach 1.5) 
Crew one pilot 
Armament Two AIM-9 Sidewinders
six AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
one 20mm Gatling gun
two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)

First flight:  September 7, 1997 
Flight Test Aircraft:  Nine 
Flight Test Program Length 1997 until 2003 (Approximately 2,700 flights covering roughly 4,800 test hours in EMD) 
Date Deployed deliveries beginning in 2002
operational by 2004 
Initial Operational Capability Late 2005 
Planned Production 339 aircraft between 1998 and 2013 

Its all following the stereotypes, the Russian fighter being the rugged and techincally more capable fighter, meanwhile the American one is a safe technologically advanced beast.

[M.E.C.H.]

Su-47 [S-37] Berkut

Specifications 
Country of Origin Russia 
Builder Sukhoi 
Role 
Similar Aircraft   
Wingspan:  15.16 m - 16.7 m 
Length overall:  22.2 m - 22.6 m
Height overall  6.36 m - 6.40 m 
Weight empty, equipped :  24,000 kg (52,910 lb) -- 26000 kg (57,320 lb)
Max T-O weight :  34,000 kg (74,960 lb) 
Engines:  2 Perm Aviadvigatel D-30F6 (34,170 lbst), or
2 Saturn/Lyul'ka AL-37FU afterburning 142.2 kN (31,966 lb st) with afterburning
thrust-vectoring in pitch -20o to 20o at 30o per second 
Max level speed at height :  2,500km/h (1,350 knots) 
Max level speed at S/L :   1,400km/h (756 knots)
Service ceiling :  18,000 m (59,050 ft)
Range with max fuel at height :  1,782 nm (3,300 km/2,050 miles) 
Number of hardpoints:  14: 2 wingtip, 6-8 underwing, 6-4 conformal underfuselage
Air-to-air :  R-77, R-77PD, R-73, K-74
Air-to-surface:  X-29T, X-29L, X-59M, X-31P, X-31A, KAB-500, KAB-1500
Crew:  1

F-22 Raptor

Projected Employment 15,000 in EMD and 27,000 in production 
Propulsion two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 engines 
Thrust 35,000 lbst 
Length 62.08 feet, 18.90 meters 
Height 16.67 feet, 5.08 meters 
Wingspan 44.5 feet, 13.56 meters 
Wing Area 840 square feet 
Horizontal Tailspan 29 feet, 8.84 meters 
Maximum Takeoff Weight 
Ceiling 
Speed Mach 1.8 (supercruise: Mach 1.5) 
Crew one pilot 
Armament Two AIM-9 Sidewinders
six AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
one 20mm Gatling gun
two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM)

First flight:  September 7, 1997 
Flight Test Aircraft:  Nine 
Flight Test Program Length 1997 until 2003 (Approximately 2,700 flights covering roughly 4,800 test hours in EMD) 
Date Deployed deliveries beginning in 2002
operational by 2004 
Initial Operational Capability Late 2005 
Planned Production 339 aircraft between 1998 and 2013 

Its all following the stereotypes, the Russian fighter being the rugged and techincally more capable fighter, meanwhile the American one is a safe technologically advanced beast.

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Not that good question, cause it depends on the pilot's skills, one really good pilot can seek n destroy you with an Yak while you have a Berkut

[MSpencer]

Actually, one of the USAF tests of the F/A-22 included 6 F-15Es vs. 1 F-22. The F-22 downed all of them without the 15Es ever getting a single missile lock. The F/A-22 is a highly capable air superiority fighter while the Su-47 is untested, and will most likely never see service with any air force that has the training or C3I abilities of the USAF. It all depends on who's flying them.

[Blodo]

Youre kinda underestimating China here. Where do you think Russia will sell all their newest equipment?

[Andre27]

I doubt if Russia will sell the Su-47 to China if they don't start using them themselves.

[Blodo]

Theyre already planning to sell other things to China, they desperately need the cash and the current government has problems in even keeping the research program alive.

[Allied General]

Theyre already planning to sell other things to China, they desperately need the cash and the current government has problems in even keeping the research program alive.

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lol they get all the funds from iran and in return the iranians get WMDS!!!

[Ash]

Someone plays AC04 too much to ask this question

My money's on the F-22, purely because it's surely more reliable. The S-37's design surely makes it unstable. It'd be worth seeing it in action before such a comparison is accurately made. Personally, I think Namco chose it because it looks awesome

However, the regular Sukhoi planes might have a chance. What's the spec on the Super Flanker, Blodo?

[M.E.C.H.]

Someone plays AC04 too much to ask this question

My money's on the F-22, purely because it's surely more reliable. The S-37's design surely makes it unstable. It'd be worth seeing it in action before such a comparison is accurately made. Personally, I think Namco chose it because it looks awesome

However, the regular Sukhoi planes might have a chance. What's the spec on the Super Flanker, Blodo?

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I think that Blodo is right ! The Berkut is more capable, based on its stats but its not tested yet !!! Second the F22 is cutting edge equipped plane, that uses the most technologically advanced stuff to engage its enemies and not the incredible capabilities of the plane itself but its avionics, and electronic systems... So i put on both of them !!! I like the Berkut's design but i think that this is not enough (only the design !), it is a very capable plane and for sure i want to see it on action !!! The F-22 is also very good but with its technologicaly advanced systems.... NOW if Brekut had F-22 systems then it would came a SUPER DUPER all purpose fighter !!!

[Blodo]

Su-37 "Super Flanker"


Specifications
Country of Origin Russia
Builder Sukhoi
Role Multi-role fighter 
Similar Aircraft 
Wing Span 15.16 m / 49 ft 9 in 
Length 21.94 m / 72 ft
Height 6.84 m / 22 ft 5 in 
Weight 40,565 lb empty / 74,956 lb max. take off
Engine Two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each
Maximum speed 2,440 km/h / 1,516 mph 
Cruising speed 
Range 3,500 km / 2,175 miles 
Service Ceiling 59,000 ft 
Armament One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon, plus up to 18,075 lb including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and ECM pods carried on fourteen external points
Crew 1
User Countries under development for Russia

This one is as capable as the F-22 imho, and its even better in terms of speed according to these specs. I need to find more detail about the F-22 though.

[M.E.C.H.]

This one is as capable as the F-22 imho, and its even better in terms of speed according to these specs. I need to find more detail about the F-22 though.

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I think that even from the F-22 the EUROFIGHTER is better and much more capable also the JSF is a very good plane, and has more latest technology equipments than of the F22.... Now as for the Superflanker, im not sure for its capabilities !

[Ash]

Typhoon:

http://www.fighter-p...info/ef2000.htm

F-22

http://www.fighter-p...om/info/f22.htm

JSF

http://www.fighter-p...om/info/jsf.htm

Su-37

http://www.fighter-p...m/info/su37.htm

S-37

http://www.fighter-p...om/info/s37.htm


By this site's reckoning, the speed ranks are:
Berkut
Super-Flanker/Terminator
Typhoon
Raptor
JSF

But this doesn't count for a great deal in a dogfight, does it? If you ask me, the fight's a close-run thing purely because the weapons systems can't be that much different. The western fighters use AMRAAM and such anyway...I wouldn't expect there's *that* much in it.

[Blodo]

Dogfights almost dont exist today, now that America has gone to use the longest range rockets possible on their fighters. Everyone else had to follow at least partially, so now its more of a "pickaboo-push-the-button-first" contest.

[M.E.C.H.]

Dogfights almost dont exist today, now that America has gone to use the longest range rockets possible on their fighters. Everyone else had to follow at least partially, so now its more of a "pickaboo-push-the-button-first" contest.

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Yeah i agree, the dogfights don't exist nowadays, also the main dogfight weapon was the vulcan cannon, a weapon that in nowadays is almost never used... except from A-10 that uses a vulcan cannon bigger than normal, and firing depleted uranium shells...

[ComradeJ]

The F-22 still uses a Vulcan, the A-10 uses a GAU-8.

[Allied General]

The F-22 still uses a Vulcan, the A-10 uses a GAU-8.

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true cos your buggered if u use all missiles, i thought most planes have guns?

[Blodo]

They used to, its not the case now.