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[Tom]

Most of it exploded outside, the firefighter whom made it to that floor said he could knock the fire out in 2 lines. Whatever that meant, ignoring the fact the fire wasn't that huge as there was no red glow that you see from 800degrees+ and the people standing on the floor at the windows.

[MSpencer]

Yes, I'm sure as part of the conspiracy they made sure to use automobile grade fuel to make a more spectacular show with their demolitions expertise.

Also you have to realize that you do not need to completely melt steel beams, just heat them enough to collapse under the already precarious weight of the building, and that's after they've been damaged.
And I can assure you quite readily that jet fuel would be able to do that. I believe the analysis of the steel rods was much too optimistic. Just face it, there's no hard proof for a controlled demolition, and if it was a controlled demolition, the windows would likely all blow out, and these super rods you speak of would have to be blown up with a lot of explosives.

Edited by MSpencer, 27 February 2006 - 02:48 AM.

[i z 3 r]

Yes, I'm sure as part of the conspiracy they made sure to use automobile grade fuel to make a more spectacular show with their demolitions expertise.

Also you have to realize that you do not need to completely melt steel beams, just heat them enough to collapse under the already precarious weight of the building, and that's after they've been damaged.
And I can assure you quite readily that jet fuel would be able to do that. I believe the analysis of the steel rods was much too optimistic. Just face it, there's no hard proof for a controlled demolition, and if it was a controlled demolition, the windows would likely all blow out, and these super rods you speak of would have to be blown up with a lot of explosives.

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Edited by i z 3 r, 27 February 2006 - 04:01 AM.

[MSpencer]

How about we bring about a ban on conspiracy theory sites and stick to the 9/11 Commission report? Go read that for fun.

[Kazyumi]

Yes. Lets just take the bullshit for granted.
Atleast we can then continue showing off our mighty American Army with all its cool hardware by going to war to stomp out Bin Laden which we still haven't found yet.
Where is Bin Laden? I guess he's now in Iran is he? Or perhaps Palestina? Hell probably North Korea hosts him.
/MUST GO TO WAR TO MAKE PEACE AND MAKE MORE PUPPET DEMOCRACIES.

[i z 3 r]

How about we bring about a ban on conspiracy theory sites and stick to the 9/11 Commission report? Go read that for fun.

That would be a violation of 1st ammendment my friend.

As much as you hate my opinons and as much as I dislike yours, I would never ask of you to be silenced. I would fight to death for our rights to debate like this.

[MSpencer]

I mean in this thread, genius. You should know by now that conspiracy theorists have even less weight in intelligent discussion than over-eager fan pages.

[Kazyumi]

Yes, I too do tend to ignore posts that are directed at me in a provocative manner.

[Tom]

Conspiracy "theorists" are ignored because people think their views are "insane" or "ridiculous." But i ask to those people, where did they get their views from? Don't say yourself, everyone influences everyone, thats how the world works. The media, what you are told by others is where you get your opinions from. Based on stories shown on the media, is it right or wrong? Government actions and their apparent "true" reasons for those actions. My question however is how can you judge if your just looking upon those actions after being told the reason for them instead of experiencing them or seeing the truth for yourself. How can you be so sure? How can I be so sure even? I can't, but to me there is more logical and scientific evidence to go against the original story of 9/11 than the other way around. You will find it though research. I didn't all the sudden say "9/11 was a conspiracy." I've been up and down, sure then unsure and its taken over a year of research to come to my final conclusion. It was easy knowing or believing our governments are crooks, but now its easier to understand why and continue on that path. I will only really know the real truth when i am standing before the creator himself, if there is a creator.

[i z 3 r]

Conspiracy "theorists" are ignored because people think their views are "insane" or "ridiculous." But i ask to those people, where did they get their views from? Don't say yourself, everyone influences everyone, thats how the world works. The media, what you are told by others is where you get your opinions from. Based on stories shown on the media, is it right or wrong? Government actions and their apparent "true" reasons for those actions. My question however is how can you judge if your just looking upon those actions after being told the reason for them instead of experiencing them or seeing the truth for yourself. How can you be so sure? How can I be so sure even? I can't, but to me there is more logical and scientific evidence to go against the original story of 9/11 than the other way around. You will find it though research. I didn't all the sudden say "9/11 was a conspiracy." I've been up and down, sure then unsure and its taken over a year of research to come to my final conclusion. It was easy knowing or believing our governments are crooks, but now its easier to understand why and continue on that path. I will only really know the real truth when i am standing before the creator himself, if there is a creator.

Human ambition stretches beyond a fast car and a big house.

Your correct.

Since when do we listen to our media or out government without asking questions. I remember before the Iraq war, there were terror alerts everywhere, but nothing happened. I remember Bush giving us a speech saying to go out and buy gas masks and duct tape our doors & windows.

If you remember back in the Cuban missle crisis our government told us to hide under a desk in the event of a atomic bomb hitting american soil.

Why trust anything capitolistic?

Capitolism caused 9-11. Which caused us to go to war, which is making war contractors and such richer and richer, Cheny continues to make money on the Iraqi oli...

And you can't forget in 2001 before 9-11 there was a time when our entire adminstration told us that Iraq was not a threat and did not have any capeability to wage a war.

[MSpencer]

Waging a conventional war is quite different from waging an unconventional one using weapons of mass destruction smuggled into countries by terrorist cells.
It amazes me where you must get your facts. We were never told to hide under desks during the Cuban Missile Crisis, instead we were told to go into fallout shelters, you know, to reduce the amount of radiation you take in. And staying under a desk could help. If you survive the thermal pulse and the building is hit by a shockwave, that desk could be the difference between you and a metal I-beam.
Bush never told people to go and buy duct tape to close their doors shut. That was in the event of a biological or chemical attack.
Furthermore, I fail to see how anything more than faulty intelligence from the CIA caused the Iraq war.
And even beyond that, how is Dick Cheney, the vice president of the United States, making money off of oil that belongs to the country of Iraq? We don't even have access to that oil, we don't buy it!
You are truly the stereotypical American. You are making up facts and not bothering to justify them.

[Tom]

Capitalism, communist, fascism, socialist, all the same. Opposames. All ways of elites and governments forcing their power on others. People need to make a decision for the 21st century. Either we have a global world controlled by the very people that wage these wars and run our governments in bureaucracy, or we have our own world where everyone can be an induvidual and have the responsibility for themselves and their world.

Government responsibility (minority ruling majority), People responsibility (everyone responsible). Its a choice we will be making in the next 10 years. I'm not gunna fuck about with this conspiracy crap anymore. Its far too dominating of my life and stress wise. Lets just see the truth. Centralised world government or people responsible world. Its all about power and responsibility. Either people blame the government (irresponsible) or blame themselves (responsible) and change to solve their own problems.

People saying "ITS NOT TRUE!!!" These people in power give you NOTHING. They are greedy selfish wankers. I don't want to be represented by them. Shouldn't i have that choice to say "no?" Take the responsibility for my own life, or do i have to be dicated to by such people in "power," which is really my power anyway.

If i am a teacher then its my responsibility to teach. If a guy is a doctor, its his responsibility to help people. If i fall and break my leg, its my fault but its still a doctors responsibility to try fix me up the best he can. If his kid comes to the school i teach at, its my responsibility to teach his kid and bring his kid up ready to do his part for the world. This is how society is supposed to be. People who have their power are responsible for it. Those in our government are irresponsible for the power we give them. We pay them tax money to build roads for us and fund what WE personally NEED. They use it for their own personal agendas and wars. That is not responsibility hence they do not deserve my respect or my trust for the power i allow them to have over my life because i simply do not approve of it. Yet because the majority "approves" blindlessly like ignorant sheep then i cannot do nothing because i will get attacked by the majority for showing induviduality. Freedom there in a bubble. Doublespeech was born with humans ignorant nature. Freedom is slavery, yet does anyone realise it?

So what will it be? Only time will tell for the matters i have risen here. If this shit really does happen, you know where i'll be standing. I'd rather have a hard life full of challenges, problems to help me evolve and mature more and then look back on it and think "i did a lot," than an easy life with no responsibility and look back and think "i did nothing." Responsibility is the balance between that.

My view: MY POWER, MY RESPONSIBILITY.

As for this conspiracy: Maybe its true, who knows. Theres evidence for both sides, opinions and infinite arguments. Whether mankind was made by some reptillian race whom wants to rule us now or if we were made naturally is irrelevent. What is relevent is our choices NOW. Mankind is standing before its next big war, its next big choice, how will people fair in it? Run and hide from every consequence that has been building up to today and finally released upon them or take them on in a responsible manner and learn from their ignorance? I think even you could agree with such morals spence, whether theres such a conspiracy or not. The conspiracy is just an example of what can happen due to this. Its finally coming together. What i believe i needed to learn after all was responsibility and not ego. Not trying to be right all the time but to be responsible for my actions and ensure i do not harm anyone elses free will. Even the bible says this crap with the ten commandments.