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[7th_Panzer]

"If the tanks succeed, victory will follow."

These prophetic words were spoken by Heinz Guderian, in his book entitled Achtung! Panzer!, which is the basis for modern military strategy. And he was quite correct; German tanks did win in France, even against superior numbers and technical qualitiy. Russian tanks succeeded in driving back the Germans. American tanks...well, there were a lot of American tanks.

So what is everybody's favorite tank? Personally, mine is the Panzerkampfwagen V Panther Ausf D. It was a direct answer to the Red Army's T-34, and though it appeared only in a tenth of the numbers the Soviet machine did, it proved to be rather potent.

Armed with a high velocity 75mm gun (the Sherman had a short barrelled, thus low velocity, 75mm gun and the Soviets had either a 75 or 85mm gun) which was deadlier than even the Tiger's 88mm, the Panther proved to be invaluable on all fronts. It was also highly mobile, with wide tracks. After its engine problems were (somewhat) resolved, the Panther was sent back to the front.

A German tank ace said of the Panther, after the war ended:

"A Panther could easily take out six Shermans.....but the Americans always seemed to have seven."

A testimony to both sides, I think.

[Bob]

... So what is everybody's favorite tank? ...

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Well as far as WWII tanks go I would have to say the M-3 tank. This one caught my eye one time, while watching a war movie back in the days when I was a youngster growing up. Sadly, many, many, moons ago.

Anyway, The M-3 has a side mounted 75mm cannon. Here's a peek:
http://www.wwiivehic..._medium/m3.html

'By the time 1,000 M2A1 Medium tanks were ordered in mid-1940, they were shown to have inadequate armor and armament by the events unfolding in Europe. To match the newest German tanks that had 75 mm gunes, the Ordnance Department wanted to fit a 75 mm into a M2A1. However, there just wasn't enough space in the turret. Based on experiments with the T5E2 a 75 mm M2 was installed on the right side of a modified M2A1. ...'

'... It was intended only as a stopgap tank before the M4 Shermans arrived. When the M4 started production the M3 was designated Substitute Standard in October 1941. In April 1943, they were classified as Limited Standard and in April 1944 were classified as obsolete. ...'

Quotes from WWIIvehicles.com

It's just an awesome looking tank, at least to me anyway. It's one of my favorites from that era.

[wolfshadow]

WW2: I think I'm with you 7th.

Modern: Challenger II

[Karlos Vandango]

gotta be the challenger tank
m1a1 or 2 sucks

[7th_Panzer]

I think I agree thta the Challenger II is better than the M1. The M1 is a logistical nightmare.

[Ace22]

Tell me why, and don't say because you're british.

[Capt.Drake]

Ok In WWII Geermany defenetly had the best tanks in the world, had the best weapons an darmour, but how is it with these tanks ?
They are expensive, so there were just few of them and that's why Sherman and T-34 had a chance they were cheap so many could be built
As for the Sherman it was light so many could be transported
As for the T-34 it was a very good desingn but against the modern German Tanks like Tiger II it had no chance but there were many
MY favorite WWII tanks are the M26 "Pershing"
or the Firefly
My favorite modern tank is the Leopard 2A6 the best tank in the world

Edited by Capt.Drake, 03 November 2005 - 01:24 PM.

[killakanz]

World war 2, the Panzer IV has my vote.
The only tank to continually serve through the war from start to finish, the first to mount a 75mm weapon, at first firing HE then upgraded to the long barrelled Anti Tank weapon, nicknamed by the British as the "Mark IV Special".

Modern day though, it's the Challenger II. Nothing beats it.

[7th_Panzer]

I'm not British. The Challenger II weighs significantly less, is smaller I believe and has newer Chobham armor.

The M26 Pershing did well in Korea against T-34s, and the Firefly was armed with the British 17 pounder anti-tank gun.

It should be noted that the reason the Sherman was underarmed for its role was not in any design flaw, but a flaw in tactics. The Sherman was meant to give fire support to the infantry, not slug it out with other tanks. The Americans' anti-tank tactics were to put its heavy AT guns on treads and have them chase the tanks. This requires a great deal of luck, however, to work, much like offensive anti-submarine patrols rather than a convoy system.

[prophet of the pimps]

The T-34. It was the Tank which turned the tide of the war.

As for modern tank i like the T-90. Now that thing is a beauty.

[7th_Panzer]

A quote from a World War II book I own:

"The German Army, in 1942, was beginning to learn a lot it did not know before about Russian tanks, such as how hard they were to stop and what a lot of them there were."

[Capt.Drake]

I say the Leopard 2A6 is the best tank in modern world it has a modified Rheinmetall L55 120 millimetre smoothbore Gun which is even mounted on the Abrams, the 2A6 mounts the awsome armour of the standart Leo and even more addon armor, as for the Chobham armor it's also mounted on the Abrams and the Leo
Look here for Leo info
And here for Challenger 2 info
7th Panzer are you from Germany?

[wolfshadow]

I like the C2 'cause the longest recorded tank kill in the world was recorded by it's predecessor, the Challenger (4500 m, Desert Storm), and the gun has been improved since then...

Armour, cross country and road performance are compareable to the Abrams, and gun is better *G*.

[crave22]

My personal favorite? T12UM1. The Russians have a thing for tanks. As much as I like the good ol' M1A2, my favorite is the T12UM1.

@Capt.Drake
Nope. He's from Ohio if I remember correctly.

Edited by crave22, 03 November 2005 - 08:57 PM.

[Delta24US]

I dunno, I really like the M1 tho, no matter what people say bout it.
But for WWII, I like the M3 tank.

[crave22]

For WWII, I'd go with the T34. Like I said, I have a thing for Russian tanks.

However, I remember a quote from a German officer in command of a tank company. I don't remember the exact quote, but it went something like:

"One of our Panzers could easily take on three of your Shermans. However, you always seemed to have four."

I just love that quote.

[*DR*Hannibal]

Yeah the Leopard 2A6 rockz *g*

The russian T80 is on the second Place in my Favorite List....


Jump, Jump, Jump ^^




Mfg....

[Ace22]

I saw an M1 do about half more than that. not that I want to put down the T-80, which is a nice tank.

[prophet of the pimps]

dude the jumping tank is a T-90 and Not the T-80.

[Karlos Vandango]

dude the jumping tank is a T-90 and Not the T-80.

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i drive a t-90 in bf2 lol