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[Shuya-Lee]

I'm sorry I deleted your post by mistake.

~Hostile I'm very sorry it was a wrong button push thing.

[Hostile]

i dont reall think its us to blame, if it was my choice i would not supply the al quida (spelling mistake, dont care) with weapons. thats just stupid american government thinking "i know how to solve things, lets blow it up ehehehe" .....idiots.

I see no proof of "blowing things up" as a policy of the US, it must have mistaken the actions as "correcting" the world situation.

im not saying americans are idiots, im saying the government is. how the hell does war solve problems :\ honestly. all it ever did in the past is win power/land/money never EVER made peace. look at how people from england treat the germans. the biggest world cup match in the world is the England v Germany, because we STILL hold a grudge against them for WWI and WWII. What is the bloody point in that? it was at least  60 years ago :\ and the Germans did not have a bloody choice!!

Is the US gorvernment really idiots? Or are they making sure the world situation is not made up of tyrants and communists. You can get as mad as you want at the US for not agreeing with your idealogy but tough times call for tough measures.

American Government is doing what hilter was doing by tryin to turn the world into what they want. but this time they want everyone to be a democracy.

Yes I agree, it's called forcing the issue, while Hitler forced the issue we are also, along with EVERY other country in the world on how they think it should be run. There is a huge difference in the outcome though. If you won't admit that, than you're wrong.

Are we born evil? Some are due to brain not firing on all pistons, but I think most are sheep lead to the slaughter. And I will not be one lead to the slaughter...

[Az3r^]

Evil?  Hell yeah you can be born evil... insanity, sociopathy, call it what you want, but bottome line is it is evil, and some people are just born that way... but, like a lot of people have said here, evil is a human concept, it doesn't exist, nothing more than an idea we thought up.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

insanity isnt evil, Insanity comes from a bad history of maybe child abuse, or drug abuse no one is born "insane" or evil is just something people look at witch is a offset of Wrong.


im currently reading a book by Paul Brittion, called Picking up the pieces, its a factual book based on his case experiences through his proffesional career, hes a forensic Physcologist, hes worked with serial killers, abusive parents and untold bad behaving children.

there is always a part of the human brain that needs to be unlocked to gain the answers you need,
and to agree with you at the end, it is a human concept, it doesnt exsist but insanity is not Evil.

[Kazyumi]

Is the US gorvernment really idiots? Or are they making sure the world situation is not made up of tyrants and communists. You can get as mad as you want at the US for not agreeing with your idealogy but tough times call for tough measures.

Hmmm US is taking away tyrants and evil communists?
Possibly, or only those that have too much control over them.

Equatorial Guinea for one doesn't pose a threat to America like Saddam "did".
In Equatorial Guinea a true democracy does not exist, with its transperant elections there. He got 97% of all the votes, want to know why?? Because he has an iron grip on his population through fear, torturing anyone who opposes him. He keeps his country in poverty while he and his family are shipping away millions to bank accounts.

Yet our 'great democracy-enforcing America' doesn't mind that, Equatorial Guinea has a lot of black gold (thats oil heh) for America.
Now while the US is paypalling President Obiang and his family, the entire country is still poor.
The oil money could have been put into the country, but no... who cares about the people? Their own dictator president doesn't...
The democracy-enforcing USA doesn't even give a shit, they're getting their oil from President Obiang.

If you don't believe me, look it up.
Here a few quick links
Here's a link
CIA

Edited by Holly-gan, 05 December 2005 - 02:21 PM.

[Tom]

Azer is quite right, however there are other known problems too such as "multi-personality disorder." It is said its possible to "compartmentalise" the mind and call upon certain compartments by making them respond to different triggers. Each compartment doesn't realised the others exist. In one you can be "yourself" and in the other you can be a psychotic maniac. Basically this is true because its found amongst many.

The brain automatically does this for truamatic experiences. This explains why so many people cannot remember a car crash or other trumatic events simply because the brain "isolates" it into a compartment and protects you from remembering that event and allowing it to haunt you for your life.

It is found many children who are raped or even went through a bad childhood usually become "automatically" compartmentalised.

This is where you get mind controlled assassins from etc. This can also happen typically in society but is a technique many believers of the new world order believe is used within the new world order. Who knows the truth.

If this is the truth, evil cannot exist entirely.


As for what hostile said, you cannot get peace by having a war. To have peace you must be peaceful. Otherwise george orwell comes to mind, War = Peace.

You can get as mad as you want at the US for not agreeing with your idealogy but tough times call for tough measures.

Who made the tough times Hostile? If you don't know the 100% certain answer to that you can't really suggest what you just did. It simply is a contradiction. Your view is in line with the US's and his views are not, so how can you be so sure your right and hes wrong. Views are views. There is no right or wrong.

[Kazyumi]

Bump. Could someone give a response to post 25? Or latter lol.

[OmegaBolt]

Im evil *laughs*menacingly*; look at my avatar. *laughs*again*

I do agree evil is a human concept for we are surely the only things that make horror films. If we want to see 'evil' doing what we think 'evil' does, thats surely wanting to be evil.

[link.the.first]

It's hard to say what's considered evil. I agree with Drewry that the defenition of evil is to deprive someone of power, honor, or love.

However, if some guy steals from a shopkeeper, the theif is definetly the evil one. The shopkeeper is not depriving him of anything by not giving him money because he is not taking anything from him; the thief would have no less after the shopkeeper refuses to give him anything than he did before. Especially since the thief would probably need a gun to do it, but the money he spent on the gun could have been spent on setting himself up to get a job and earn money fairly. In addition, an endless life of crime leads to all of his children, if any, to follow suit. End result: He and the rest of his family would lead a completely meaningless life.

About the kill someone for stealing your baby issue, every evil deserves a punishment, otherwise they just keep doing it. The man stealing the baby (note: this only applies if the man is the psycho and the baby would very obviously be better of with its mother) needs to be punished, otherwise he is not only stealing from the mother, he is also taking a decent life from the baby. In this case, the mother has every right to shoot the guy.

Self defense: Again, it's either kill the guy before he kills you or let him get away with killing lots of people. In a way, the victim is slightly evil for not doing anything about it because they are indirectly depriving some number of other people of the power to live. It doesn't have to be direct, like distracting him and taking the gun, letting him get away then helping the police track him down works too.

The only problem is determining when you punish them too much. I think whatever they did should be done right back to them in most cases.

Animal issue: I don't really know how to tell when killing an animal is evil. Killing any intelligent creature (unless it's self defense) is evil.

The lion chasing the rabbit is following natural instincts and has no sense of good or evil. This is how nature works. However, the rabbit is not evil for running away because his goal is self preservation, and if the lion misses this chance he can always go find something else to hunt.

About that Matrix quote, there are two big things that set us apart from viruses: Intelligence and diversity. Every single virus (of one type) is identical, and they all have the same goal: Kill as much of the organism as possible while making more of themselves. None of them have a single thought about it, they are not aware of anything around them, they are just programmed from birth to reproduce by killing a cell. I would hardly even consider calling them living organisms because of how they do everything machinelike. They are not good or evil. Some are helpful because they destroy the bacteria that act similarly, but others are not.

In contrast, some humans are destructive, but others support sparing the enviornment. While we certainly could use some of it, we don't need all of it. Some greedy corporations are destroying it for personal profit, but not everyone is doing that. So you cannot call humanity evil based on that because that is raceism.

[LeninT34]

Lets think about 9/11...if bush says al queda is part of an ''axis of evil'' because of their hostilities to the west,and al queda calls the west evil for theiractions against the middle east,who is right?
Personaly i dont think there is a such think as evil sence evil is merely a point of view.
Its 1 side vs. another. People have different view of morality thusly have different views of whats evil in this world.

[link.the.first]

Problem with the Al Queda is they seem to want to kill us for no apparant reason. We didn't do anything bad enough to retalliate with a plane in a building until after they started attacking us. So I think the Al Queda are evil.

But yes, that is still just a point of view.

Edited by link.the.first, 05 February 2006 - 12:28 AM.

[crave22]

There is no good. There is no evil. Only gray.

^My POV.

[Tom]

I've still seen no credible evidence to prove al qaeda exists. Did we ever hear the word "al-qaeda" before 9/11. 9/11 itself is still questionable. Osama bin laden was a CIA asset and trained by the CIA long before. In all the videos we have seen there is actually not a certainity that its osama bin laden.

Take a look yourself. How many bin ladens are there. Here is 2.

[Jeeves]

They exist AFAIK... Bit like JI in indonesia though, attacking their government since the 70's. Then 9/11, and we're told they're attacking Australia. Australia hadn't heard of them before 9/11, and JI haven't acknowledged anything about attacking Australia, they just continue to blow things up in Bali (which isn't Australia). What they do and how we're told to interpret what they do are very different things. Terrism is a multi-billion dollar industry, it sells media, films, books, buys elections... IMO, that's evil.
Either way, war doesn't prove who's right, only who's left.

[LeninT34]

In terms of morality,Im just going to leave history our of it.

Edited by LeninT34, 05 February 2006 - 02:32 AM.

[DaEm0NuL]

People aren`t evil by nature, the thnigs they do and the way the grow up makes them evil. God made us all equal.

[Kazyumi]

Hmm what about the people with down syndrome and all then, obviously your god didn't make them equal...

[Ash]

That was offtopic, but still...he's got you there.

[Tom]

They are equal in the sense they are spiritual equal. The physical side is the illusion.

[Ash]

How cna you say that? Equality means everyone gets more or less the same. Down's kids or autistics sure as hell don't have a fair crack of the whip.