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[Destroyer]

http://releases.mozi...x/releases/1.5/

Get it while it's hot!

[chemical ali]

Damn you beat0rz me!

I got the new Black Japan theme for it, it r0cks I'm l33t and IE7 can suck my red tail!

viva la firefox!

[ched]

Noia 2.0 all the way

... crap, FireFTP isn't compactible for now

[DeathRay2K]

I've had it for a month.

[Hostile]

While you are all so happy with FF, web coders who design in CSS exclusively can't stand it. As you all think it's more standards compliant, you ought to see the funky outcomes without odd work arounds needed for it.

I test in FF but rarely use it, solimiting. Such things like simple colors of scrollbars and border colrs become COMPLEX because of FF. While Opera and other renders the page within the comfortable margin of varience.

I'm glad you people like FF, it's an SOB to code for and somewhat limited on features.

[Carnivean]

WinAMP Intergration and adblock pwn joo all.

[Blodo]

IE is still more designer-friendly, and Firefox' javascript implementation sucks the asscrack so as to say...

[Detail]

I use NoScript and downloadTHEMall.

NoScript means you can look around porn sites and no java, flash, or embeded hasties will get loaded.
Once you find a nice set of pics, you use downloadTHEMall to get the whole set with only 2 clicks.




Immo, the auto-update does notdo it's thing untill a little while after the release. In-case there are any bugs. You'd not want millions of FF browers all downloading a bug.

[DeathRay2K]

Hostile, I design websites using purely CSS, and have never had problems with it, in fact the opposite. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by border colours, because borders work exactly the same in FF as in IE. Scrollbars I can understand, but I don't really think they're necessary anyways.

Regardless, IE7b2 is apparantly about the same standrads compliance as FF, and no longer supports or works with any IE hacks.

In fact, my (now being redesigned) website has problems only with IE, because its CSS box model is horribly messed up with the 'Quirks' doctype. It includes padding and borders inside the box, while they should be outside.

My website runs perfectly in FF, but IE has many problems. I don't use any hacks, but still have to use the IE7 javascript to keep IE from messing up my website completely.

Edited by DeathRay2K, 30 November 2005 - 12:00 AM.

[Hostile]

I don't use quirk doctype, I use strict standards (as much as possible) so IE behaves alittle better, thought I do understand what you mean by to

It includes padding and borders inside the box, while they should be outside.

those are easly fixed by setting absolute margings and padding. I do run into seriously wierd stuff with FF on placement without serious over compensation, not behaving under normal CSS standards (not just IE exclusive of course)

See for example http://bsg.the3rdage.net when you click the factions link FF shows no border colors yet IE does. Now it's a WIP and I'm not a professional. I just not arsed to try to fix things in FF if they are not simply commanded by CSS to set border color.

I'm not here to twist a browsers arm, if it doesn't obey standard CSS border settings than so be it. FF version will just to do without.

[Blodo]

DeathRay2K: Amazingly enough it always is firefox that gives me problems with padding and all that shit. While it works on both opera and ie it doesnt work on firefox, so i have to sit and actually use hacks for ie so ff wont get the site messed up.

And do i have to mention the fact that 70% of the time you need to write the same javascript twice so you can suit firefox' retarded js interpretation? I think no one can argue with that.

[DCoder]

FYI,

<style type='text/css'>
* {
 box-sizing: border-box;
}
</style>

forces Firefox to use IE's box model. Older versions of FFX used -moz-box-sizing: , but AFAIK they dropped it in favor of the W3C version somewhere between 1.0.7 and this 1.5 .

I code my web projects primarily for Firefox, then I tune them to work in IE. The above snippet is the only exception.

As for Javascript, I think FFX's JS model is better, because it follows the W3C standard much better than IE, which creates its own. Standards were created for a reason. I have to admit that in some cases IE's implementation makes more sense (determining which mouse buttons were pressed, for instance, W3C uses 0, 1, 2 for left, middle, right, whereas IE uses 1, 4, 2), but not always.

Edited by DCoder, 30 November 2005 - 06:22 AM.

[DeathRay2K]

I don't use quirk doctype, I use strict standards (as much as possible) so IE behaves alittle better, thought I do understand what you mean by to

It includes padding and borders inside the box, while they should be outside.

those are easly fixed by setting absolute margings and padding. I do run into seriously wierd stuff with FF on placement without serious over compensation, not behaving under normal CSS standards (not just IE exclusive of course)

See for example http://bsg.the3rdage.net when you click the factions link FF shows no border colors yet IE does. Now it's a WIP and I'm not a professional. I just not arsed to try to fix things in FF if they are not simply commanded by CSS to set border color.

I'm not here to twist a browsers arm, if it doesn't obey standard CSS border settings than so be it. FF version will just to do without.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The problem with your red borders is that you set them with <td bordercolor="">, and bordercolor isn't a valid property of table cells.

I never use javascript so can't really say anything about that, but I know that I always write my pages with perfectly valid code first, and Firefox works with it, sometimes IE does, most of the time not. I then add proprietary IE code, nothing special, just to make it look better in IE and fix it if I can. I then add proprietary Mozilla code (Which I love), again, nothing special, just stuff to make it look nice.

No matter what I do, as long as the code is valid, Firefox renders it perfectly, as I intended. IE, however, has much worse problems. Take my new design for my site. You will notice that the <div> I put my content in is horribly mangled in IE, but works brilliantly in Firefox. This is because when when left: and right: properties are set, and width is set to auto, the browser should figure out how wide it should be. Firefox does so perfectly, but IE completely ignores the right: value if the <div>'s content's width is set to more than the width of the <div>. This means if the content is set to wdith: 100%, it will be as wide as the page, and it will stretch the right side of its container.
You will also notice that the <div> above my main content box is also messed up. This is because IE interprets height: and width: as min-height: and min-width:.

While on the subject, <table>s can be replaced completely by <div>s, all you have to do is set the display property correctly. for instance:

<div style="display: table">
     <div style="display: table-row">
          <div style="display: table-cell">First row, first column</div><div style="display: table-cell">First Row, second column</div>
     </div>
     <div style="display: table-row">
          <div style="display: table-cell">Second row, first column</div><div style="display: table-cell">Second row, second column</div>
     </div>
</div>

It would, of course, be best to use a stylesheet instead of style=" ", but you get the idea.

Edited by DeathRay2K, 04 December 2005 - 01:03 AM.

[Kazyumi]

Sorry to bump an old topic..
but it's about Firefox anyways.

After reading this page (from Speeder's sig):
http://mywebpages.co...refoxMyths.html

I'm starting to doubt on whether I should really still bother with Firefox.
Am I better of with IE?

[Athena]

I think it's an opinion, not a fact (note: 'it' doesn't refer to the webpage, but to which of the two browsers is 'better'). On my laptop I started both IE and FF with the same page (Google). IE took about 10MB more of my RAM (with those versions, on that laptop). My laptop doesn't have that much RAM (not to mention Windows + uni program things itself takes up 80% of the RAM already by just being idle..). On this computer that particular point would not matter that much. I also really like tabbed browsing and some plugins from FF. In the end it's still an opinion. I don't think this 'IE-FF debate' will be over soon. Use what you prefer heh. Maybe one of the two is 'safer' but there's little way to actually find that out.

[chemical ali]

IE7 uses only six meg.

Firefox is currently using 125 meg.

[Athena]

FF used 20 MB on my laptop (one site open, Google), IE (version 6 something I think, also Google open) used 30 MB. FF uses more RAM if you have more sites open, and same goes for IE (or rather, there's multiple instances in Task Manager all eating 25-30 MB per one instance, in the case of IE). I don't know about IE version 7 beta. Anyway, it's still what a person overall prefers.

[Legion]

IE sucks, is vulnerable, and doesnt have tabs. Use firefox, kazi

[Destroyer]

IE7 beta has tabs, but my windowblinds theme makes it display funny.