Thank you so much for the large amount of effort you've put into your post. I truly do appreciate it. I especially love it that
someone has finally shown that they understand the meaning behind
Celeglin (it's really Celegl
în, but who could be arsed to do the dang symbol all the time [heck, more often than not people omit the second "l" in the name]). Hats off for that!
As for the issues with Arwen: I have gone through these before. This mod is a "what if" mod and is in no way meant to be lore-restrictive. the very premise of the mod itself is against the lore: there was no such Alliance of Elves fighting beside one another in the Third Age (the thought of Mirkwood Elves fighting beside Elves of Mithlond at the Black Gates can be laughable). Following this, I decided to expand upon Arwen's character in my own way. This mod is basically saying: if Arwen was more central to the action of the War of the Ring (as her ancestor, Luthien was in the War of the Jewels), this is what
I think she
may have been capable of. And as for Evenstar, who's saying I'm refering to the jewel? The basis behind the "Evenstar" ability is that she "reveals herself in wrath" (stop thinking like that; I don't mean it that way) similar to what Glorfindel did at the Fords. While I know that her ability to do so would probably not be as great as Glorfindel's, I still think it's a nice premise. As such, Arwen's "Evenstar" isn't as effective as Glorfindel's "Revealed in Wrath".
And as a final note on Arwen: her "armour" isn't really armour, as you can see by just looking at it. At best, it's suede and leather... and very pretty, if you ask me.
Thanks for pointing out "Bruinen" for me: I really feel like a dolt right now. As for the horses, I won't take them out though I realise Elrond wasn't responsible for them.
The Nenya ability, I will admit does not really work at all name-wise. The ability is meant to destroy structures, something the ring was never meant to do. I'll work with this.
Five batallions is far too much as a summon for Celeborn. Even three (which I have tried) was too overpowering.
I won't give Glorfindel the ability to cloak because of this quote: "Then faintly, as if it was blown away from them by the breeze, they seemed to catch a dim ringing, as of small bells tinkling" (Flight to the Ford). Though the wind was blowing the sound away, the hobbits were still able to hear the bells on Glorfindel's horse; he obviously wasn't trying to make himself very quite, or stealthed. The hobbits thought he was a Black Rider not because he was hiding, but because of their fear of being caught playing games with their minds. Plus, it never really seemed to me that Glorfindel would be the type to "hide". He keeps the hobbits on the main road, he defies the Nazgul openly, ect, ect. I dunno, maybe you have a different opinion on the matter.
Thranduil does have a leadership bonus for all Mirkwood Elves. Legolas, on the hand, does not because the Elves already have a lot of leadership as is (Galadriel, Haldir, Celeglin, Thranduil, Elrond; not to mention Galadriel, Elrond, and Celeborn having leaderships that affect other heroes).
The Avari are simply furthering the "what if" factor of the mod. No lore-reasons here.
For the other suggestions that haven't been commented on, consider them either unbalancing or too difficult to implement (remember, I'm only a very amateur modder who'd rather be doing other things than modding more often than not).
Finally, here is a character diamond and brief history on Celeglîn that I wrote up for an RP I joined a couple years ago. There are probably some errors in it, but what the hey.
Celeglîn, Male Elf
Arrogant
As a Sindarin Elf of considerable age, there are few beings who Celeglîn considers higher than he, and he makes sure you know it. Not that he'd ever say it, but his poise and tone will often communicate his belief better than words ever could. He has little tolerance for mortal men, and next to none for Dwarves. Either will see the underside of his nose more than anything else.
Learned
Being well over 6000 years old 'ere the end of the Third Age, Celeglîn has seen much in his life, and has learned just as much. Even in his early years in Doriath he showed a keen interest in the histories and language. That interest was partly drowned out by his yearning for the sea by the Third Age, but little of his ancient knowledge was lost or forgotten. However, his knowledge does not extend into the customs of Men, Dwarves, and Hobbits.
Artistic
In Doriath, Celeglîn worked as an artisan at Menegroth, shaping the trees and flowers into intercate patterns. His hands also spent a good deal of time on the harp and his music held untimely emotion (he was sometimes called Sildyandaro for this fact). When hardship befell him and Doriath was destroyed, he left the harp for the bow, but carried always a flute. His love of beauty has never faded and his flute still sings ages past, but the his love of the Golden Wood cannot contend with his yearning for the unknown splendours beyond the sea.
Tactical
Celeglîn's skills on the battlefield have placed him as a captain on the south-eastern marches of Lothlorien. He heavily favours unseen attacks of arrows, but can command his men effectively in close combat as well. Because of this, he expects to be obeyed in any battle situation. This feeling does not follow into other areas however, and he can concede to others when they are in the right. Other Elves, that is. He does, however, have an affinity for getting others to see his way.
Name~ Celeglîn
Race~ Elf (Sindar)
Age~ 6625 (at the end of the Third Age)
Birthplace~ Forest of Region, Doriath
Class~ Border Guard
Tradeskills~ Archery, Music, Tactics
Eyecolour~ silvery grey
Hair~ Long, straight, golden. Dusted silver on the tips
Clothing/Armor~ Long grey tunic, pants and boots; cloak of the Lorien; silver cirlcet holding a blue beryl. No armour except for silver trimmed vambraces.
Weapons~ Long bow of the Galadhrim, long-handled Elven Blade
History
First Age
Year 427 Mithalion, son of Glorthalion is born in the Forest of Region in Doriath. His mother soon gave him his second name: Celeglîn, which meant gleaming silver eyes. His second name became the more common.
Year 498 Celeglîn meets Luindin and they fall in love. They hardly spoke a word at their first meeting, so Celeglîn gave her the epessë (after-name) Luindin (containing dîn, meaning silent). She gave him an after-name as well, Ecoress. She also gives him a blue beryl, the Luniêl (the Blue Star), and he comes to live with her in the Forest of Brethil.
Year 503 Invasion of Doriath by the dwarves of Belegost and Nogrod, Celeglîn helps in their extermination. His father is killed in the assault. Celeglîn's hatred for dwarves is kindled.
Year 506 The second Kinslaying. Celeglîn is cut off in the Forest of Region with a small company of archers. They are forced out of the eastern borders of Doriath. Luindin escapes and goes south, down the River Sirion with most of her kin. The two never meet again.
Years 507-509 Celeglîn and his company cross Ered Luin and come to Lake Evendim where Celeborn and Galadriel dwelt. They stay there for a long period of time in peace. (This is at odds with some of Tolkien's version of the histories of Celeborn and Galadriel, but what can ya do?)
Second Age
Year 756 Celeglîn leaves Lake Evendim and comes to the newly established realm of Eregion. Dwelt on the Glanduin, near Swanfleet to avoid the dwarves of Khazad-Dum. Never lived in the city of Ost-in-Edhil because he tried to limit his contact with the Noldor, placing part of the blame on the ruin of Doriath on them. He visited the city once, and there had the Luniêl given to him by Luindin set in a circlet of silver.
Year 1159 Celeglîn crosses the Misty Mountains and comes into Lorinand (Lorien) by a secret pass: he would not go through Khazad-Dum.
Sometime 1350-1400 Galadriel takes up rule of Lorinand and Celeglîn is appointed as one of her many guards.
Year 1697 Celeglîn was part of Amroth’s host which, along with the dwarves of Moria, attacked Sauron’s assault on Elrond from the rear. They were forced back and into Khazad-Dum. Celeglîn passes through the dwarf mansion immediately and did not rest until he came to the Dimril Dale.
Year 1800 Galadriel leaves for Rivendell and leaves Lorinand to be ruled by Amroth. Celeglîn was part of her escort. He dwelt in Rivendell for some time before returning to Lorinand.
Year 3434 The Last Alliance. Celeglîn was a bowman in the company of Malgalad. They were cut off from the main force and were driven into the Dead Marshes. Celeglîn escapes back to Lorien.
Third Age
Year 1980 Distaster of Moria. Amroth perishes, and Galadriel and Celeborn take up lordship of Lorien. Celeglîn is appointed March-warden of a portion of the south-eastern borders (being one of only a handful of Sindarin Elves left in Lorien)
Year 3019 Celeglîn moves his company to the north-eastern borders to defend against the assaults from Dol Guldur. Joins Celeborn’s host and they took Dol Guldur.
Year 3021 End of the Third Age. Celeglîn has seen 6625 years (of men) since his birth.
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Meanings behind the names:
Glorthalion (Celeglîn's father)
containing laur meaning gold (he had golden hair), and thalion meaning strong
Mithalion (the name given to Celeglîn by his father)
based off Glorthalion, but containing mith meaning grey
Celeglîn (name given by his mother, refering to his silver eyes)
containing cele meaning silver, and glîn meaning gleam (usually appointed to the eyes)
Luindin (name given to her by Celeglîn because of their silent meeting)
containing luin meaning blue (she had blue eyes), and dîn meaning silent
Luniêl (the Blue Star)
containing luin meaning blue, and êl meaning star
Thanks again for the comments!
Edited by Celeglin, 27 December 2005 - 02:26 AM.
