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[Samael]

This topic is about all the conspiracies out there, I only know a few but if any of you Revorains know any do tell and we shall discuss.

So lets begin. The Moon landing, does anyone believe we Americans landed on the Moon in 1969?
This is a yes no answer but give a good reason why you think so or why you think not.

[ComradeJ]

I do think the Moon landing was real. If not, the russkies would've said it wasn't.

[crave22]

I don't think the first landing was real, but the ones which came after that were. Just think: we had to get to the moon before the Russkies. I figure that the tech was there, but not ready. So, they faked the first one, but actually landed for the other missions.

Besides, did anyone notice how perfect that camera angle was for the first landing? The camera appeared to be perfectly in place before the first man stepped out and said the famous line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seemed too perfect.

Edited by crave22, 26 January 2006 - 02:59 AM.

[NeoPickaze]

Well, i'd like to think it was real, but by comparison technology seems so limited back then.

I guess I accept it as a fact. But it's hard when you have that niggling doubt that really all the US and Russia were doing is proving who had the best intercontinental nuclear missile technology by fighting to get a 'missile' to the fastest moving target around the planet... the moon.

[Nighthawk]

Also, was the American flag not 'blowing in a breeze' during the film of the landing

[ComradeJ]

I've seen a documentary on that, if you look real closely, the d00d actually touces the flag, but it keeps waving for a while because there's no drag.

[MSpencer]

You know that the flag was plastic, right?

[Soulreaver]

There is a theory that they did land on the moon but the cameras and films didn't do well in those extreme conditions and they had to re-film it all on earth for that propaganda effect. I mean event of milenia and your pictures are screwed up...

[link.the.first]

Not actually plastic, it ahd a wire in it, same idea tho that it was just sitting there stiff because there's no wind on the moon.

My mom knew someone who was working on the lunar landing project. Trust me, it was real.

Camera could have been something else they dropped in on their way down to give the media something. Or maybe it was on the military ship the government never told anyone about... Or they just lied about who took the first step on the moon. Or Neil is actually the dude behind the camere, who's to say who's talking with those big sun visors down where you can't see their faces?

[MSpencer]

Or maybe the prophecy is true... maybe... maybe Bryant Gumbel was the first person on the moon...

[crave22]

Or maybe it's just what Soulreaver said.

[Samael]

Alright it seems this went off on a good start now you guys can continue this but here is another one.

UFOs(space ship from another world), yes it has come to this. This topic is always has its dark backaround, so are they real or is the gov't testing new weapons that we seem to catch on camera. If they are real why is it they only appear in certain areas of the world(Heck I never saw one and we have alot of clear nights) but if they are not real then why do people report about it claming they did see a UFO. So same again if they are real give a reason but if not still give a reason.

[Soulreaver]

They are real as drug halicunations are and as people are stupid enough to think that everything that shines is an UFO.

[Nighthawk]

I remember reading somewhere that it's actually America testing craft powered by Zero Point Energy (anti-gravity sort of), but they can't reveal any of it because it would collapse the world economy, fossil fuels would become useless.

[MSpencer]

But not revealing it would make no sense. If the US were to hold sole production rights and not give out any information, it would both make the US economy soar with no dependence on fossil fuels and the Middle East and would make other economies fall, simply because the US would be the sole supplier of energy in the world. If they have the technology, they would have revealed it. That could be trillions of dollars worth the information.

[Jeeves]

Now there's a conspiracy theory and a half

[Nighthawk]

But it is apparantly really cheap to make, so if they were to reveal it, some poor country could get hold of the plans and make their own ZP power, removing their reliance on fossil fuels, but most of the G8 countries rely on their exports of fossil fuels, e.g. Britain and Russia rely on their natural gas exports. So those countries would lose an awful lot of money.

EDIT: But then again I haven't finished reading this book on it yet, so I don't know the full story behind it. Also, they haven't got a reliable and working system to produce energy from it yet. All their attempts at power production have failed as yet from it, with the minor exceptions of some small unmanned aircraft (UFOs). This has been going on since WW2, which explains the Roswell crash, it was a test flight of a ZP craft, but it went wrong and the craft crashed, that's why the FBI got all of it away so quickly before most people found out about it.

EDIT2: If anyone here's ever watched Stargate Atlantis, you'd have a better idea of what I'm taking about, the ZPMs in it, they use the same type of principle as what I'm saying

Edited by Nighthawk200, 26 January 2006 - 03:29 PM.

[Hostile]

Getting back to reality now. We are not and no where near the tech level to constuct anything that manipulates the graviton, as it is not only a theoretical particle. No one can isolate it to my knowledge. It's the stuff of tomorrows legends.

It is known that such a theoretical particle operates the same way as magnetism and electromagnetic forces do.

This would not only invole creating an artificial dense mass that creates enough gravitons to do such a thing but then you'd have to have it creat anti-gravitons so it repels and does not not attract. We haven't even conquered anti-matter and it's been created decades ago.

How much artificail-density mass would it take to repel the gravity of the earth? A crazy amount... We still use chemical fuel engines to get out of the atmosphere.

Does a dense antimatter mass create anti-gravitons? Until you can create enough to create an once to measure it from, how can you tell. We can keep antimatter alive for nano-seconds till it merges and destroyes itself.

We are 100's years away from ZG tech...

[ComradeJ]

Besides, if people wanted to keep us using oil, why is there so much money pumped into the nuclear fusion-project?

[Ash]

Quite. When it happens, though, fusion will revolutionise power...chances are just one or two stations could power the whole planet.

As Spencer said, if the USA did get that energy, they wouldn't keep it to themselves. They'd advertise the fact they had it and supply it to the populace, effectively ruling the world by virtue that the rest of it eats out of their hand.



Back to UFOs, there is no doubt in my mind that extraterrestrial beings exist, nor that among them there is sure to be a form of life as advanced as, or more advanced than, humankind.

Their being hampered and bound by the same rules of space-time as us would lead me to conjecture that there's no way on God's Earth they'd be able to contact us for the same reason we can't contact them. We simply can't get the message out far enough, nor send an envoy. If it takes light four years from the nearest star (Alpha Centauri) to Earth, think what it would take any organism in a spaceship travelling at sub-light speed.

It'd take centuries just to pop next door, let alone to a far-reaching arm of the galaxy in the hope of finding a foreign civilisation. Short of making a spacefaring city which drifts endlessly (and is frought with dangers such as other celestial bodies, revolt and revolution, disease, the inevitable famine, etc), there's no hope of doing it.