I have a tip for you Theta. Condense your posts and provide a replay pointing out obvious and blatant flaws and I'm sure you will make more impact than writing lengthy posts with vague feelings.
Yes, I know that Thudo only reads 1/4 of what I write and ignores half of that.
But my words or feelings were all I had, because most of these replays are too large to upload or too long to watch. Thudo is not going to watch my replays. I know that too.
I also know that Excedrin's tests were meant to prove how stupid ThetaOrion's wordy claims really are.
But, I'm very happy that you guys took me seriously even if the original purpose was to debunk me.
LarkinVB: Just watched Ork vs Ork but had to quit at minute 7 as beta7 orks were so stupid that it hurts. Just watch through all of these replays and you will certainly find enough material for betas 9+.
Zenoth: Just watched the three first replays ... I must say there is definitely space for improvements before the release of 1.7 final.
You guys got Thudo's attention, whereas, I never would. Thudo wanted me to shut up and go away, which I can do of course. But, the real geniuses finally got his attention, I do believe.
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Regarding this thread, I can buy into Excedrin's and your claim that the Space Marines shouldn't be artificially restricted or returned to 'normal' in order to give the Orks a chance.
I can buy into, "There should be only one agenda for the mod. Will a certain decision make it play better (=more successfull) ??? This decision should be based on a match versus a good human player."
I can live with that.
AS LONG AS,
Excedrin keeps making more of these Beta 8 and Beta 9 tests against 1.41 AI or against 1.51 AI, and you LarkinVB keep looking at the results and commenting.
If they keep tweaking the 1.70 Orks until they are winning 19/20 against the Plain Vanilla 1.41 and/or winning 9/10 against 1.51, then I won't even notice the inherent 1.41 imbalance creeping through into the Orks. And, then the 1.70 Orks won't be an embarrassment when they are released to the world.
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Regarding this thread and the Cage Match direction it is taking. I would like to see 2 Beta 8 AI Orks face off against 2 Plain Vanilla WA 1.41 AI Orks on Thudo's Mountain Trails Map. I want to see if the Beta 8 faction in team play can stand up against the old 1.41 PV or the old 1.51 AI Mod in team play.
And, in the Final 1.70 Beta, I would like to see 3 Final Beta AI Orks square off against 3 PV 1.41 Orks (or 3 1.51 AI Mod Orks) in Arkhan's favorite Testing Grounds Map, to see which faction is getting the Squiggoth the fastest and which AI carries the day in team play.
But, I don't know whether these Cage Matches can be done 2vs2 or 3vs3. And, if such matches requires online time and two machines of comparable abilities, I'm not sure that I could figure out a way to run them myself. We are going to have to rely upon Excedrin to make the tests, and to occasionally make them creative by introducing team play into the mix.