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[Gomurr the Ancient]

I don't know and don't plan to fiddle with it anytime soon. We don't want to take on too much.

EDIT: Only just read your post Honom, Quendi has a ring to it.

Firstborn or Quendi people?

If I might throw in my two cents, the 'correct' name is Eldar. Firstborn and Quendi refer to all the elves - those in Middle-earth, those in Valinor, and the Avari that never set forth from Cuivienen. The term Eldar, however, refers only to those elven peoples that departed with Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe to go to Valinor. It encompasses the Noldor-in-Exile, and the branches of the Teleri - the Sindar, Nandor and Galadhrim. In essence, it is the only term that encompasses the elves of Mithlonde, Imladris, Lothlorien and Mirkwood, while not being inclusive of all Elves. Quendi and Firstborn is a race name, like Dwarves was. But the Elven people this faction would encompass are better defined as Eldar, just as the Dwarven faction is better defined as Erebor. And, for what it's worth, it's the term used most frequent to describe these elves' ancestors (or in the case of some of the older elves, like Cirdan, Celeborn, Thranduil, Galadriel and Glorfindel, these elves themselves) in the Silmarillion, if I remember correctly.

Any comments on how Elladan looks ingame?

I think he looks good, though I'm not quite sure why he has the sigil of Gil-Galad on his waistcloth And, just an thought (to be disregarded at your leisure), but I'd always thought of him as an Elven Ranger of sorts, as he rode with the Grey Company and quested with Aragorn in the past, and a ranger just isn't a ranger without a cloak.

As for a (possibly) more useful, less nitpicky thought: have you considered having Elladan and Elrohir as a joint hero unit, seeing as the twins did everything together and were essentially a single character in Tolkien's writing? It could allow them to be a very effective melee hero for the Elves, as they'd be dealing out damage at twice the speed of the average ranger hero, without giving the elves too many powerful heros to send into the fray.

Edited by Gomurr the Ancient, 10 May 2006 - 04:50 PM.

[Mullers_11]

Right then, you sure do know about your elves
Elrohir will be made Gomurr aswell, however, Elladan and Elrohir will be separate units, unlike what the Elvenstar did (as far as my knowledge goes).

Also, as much as I would like a Ranger cape type skin for Elladan, it just won't happen. But what Matias can do is make a ranger sort of skin without a cape so everything can be accomadated for.

Now, any abilities for Elladan, Elrohir, and Celeborn?

[Gomurr the Ancient]

Right then, you sure do know about your elves
Elrohir will be made Gomurr aswell, however, Elladan and Elrohir will be separate units, unlike what the Elvenstar did (as far as my knowledge goes).

Also, as much as I would like a Ranger cape type skin for Elladan, it just won't happen. But what Matias can do is make a ranger sort of skin without a cape so everything can be accomadated for.

Now, any abilities for Elladan, Elrohir, and Celeborn?

My humble suggestions would go as follows:

Celeborn:

• First and foremost, he is known for the fact that, when the elves of Lorien began fleeing to the ships at Dol Amroth due to the rumor of the unspeakable terror that drove the Dwarves from Khazad-dum, he was able to stop gather their people and instill them with confidence so that their exodus stopped. As such, the first power I'd suggest would be a "King of the Golden Wood" power (Passive or active) that makes nearby elves immune to terror from Nazgul and Balrog screams and the like, and increases their defense rating. (Level 1)
• Celeborn is also an Elf from a long tradition of defensive kingdoms: he lived long in the protected realm of Doriath during the First Age, which only was involved in its own defense when it partook in the great battles of that Age; he ruled for a time in Eregion, which spent four years fighting off the onslaught of Sauron during the War of the Elves and Sauron before its ruin; and he has ruled long in Lorien, defending that realm from the incursions of Orcs from both the Misty Mountains and from across the River. He should be a powerful defender at home, so I would suggest that he be given a second defensive power, so that when within a certain distance of a fortress, Celeborn passively gives a cumulative defensive buff to elves (and to fortresses and walls if possible?) near him. (Level 1-3)
• Celeborn was largely known as a peace time ruler, and led several elven settlements to prosperity: Harlond in Lindon under Gil-Galad, Eregion after that before Celebrimbor became its de facto leader, Lothlorien after the departure of Amroth, and East Lorien, in Southern Mirkwood, during the Fourth Age. Thus, I believe he deserves a "Celeborn the Wise" power that increases the productivity of farms for a time, to simulate his wise rule. (Level 3-5)
• Celeborn is often known to LotR fans for being (along with Galadriel) the giver of several useful gifts at the end of the Fellowship's time in Lorien. So an idea for a power could be "Gifts of Celeborn," a passive power (or active power with a relatively long duration) that increases the regeneration rate of hero powers (or resets them all back to fresh instantly, if you go with an active power). (Level 5-7)
• Celeborn is Lord of the Galadhrim, the people of Lothlorien. Long have they held their borders secure through watchful stealth and cunning ambush. Just because one does not see the Galadhrim does not mean they are not there. So, should Lord Celeborn find himself in need, it is reasonable to supsect that there are Galadhrim nearby that will come to his call - so I would suggest a "Lord of the Galadhrim" power that calls forth several units of Galadhrim (or Lorien) elven unit, whatever units you decide on assigning that 'ethnicity'. (Level 7-10)

I'll post again when I have some time to think on the Twins.

[Gomurr the Ancient]

Concerning Elladan and Elrohir:
These two are not really leaders so much as they are immensely skilled soldiers, and the powers I suggest are meant to reflect that:

• First, I suppose they'll need to be able to toggle weapons, as they were ranger elves that were skilled with both blade and bow. (Level 1)
• Second, I would suggest that they have a passive power that triggers when one twin is in the presence of the other, greatly increasing both their offensive and defensive stats, and maybe even increases their speed. (Level 1)
• Third, once they reach the level where their clothing changes to armor (if a second skin is made, that is), I would supsect that a toggle mounted button is in order. If possible, it would be ideal for them to change between blade and bow while mounted as well. (Level... 5?)
• Fourth, a power called "Scions of Earendil," as they are his grandchildren, that causes the light of that star (Earendil) to shine brightly upon Elladan or Elrohir, driving the dark hosts to cower before the elven princes. (Level 4-7)
• Fifth, I'd recommend a power called "Vengeance for Celebrian." In the past, Celebrian, wife of Elrond and daughter of Galadriel, was captured by goblins in the mountains as she crossed to return from visiting her mother. She was tormented in their pits, and while eventually she was freed, she was never the same and eventually passed into the West to escape her sorrows. The twins never forgave the Misty Mountain orcs for this, and so when dealing with the orcs of the Corrupted Wild faction (or maybe orcs in general), I think they should recieve a boost to reflect the fuel their hatred provides. Either another boost to their stats, or perhaps a decrease to the stats of the goblins around them, or maybe an active power that decreases the speed and defense of goblins targeted by it (and maybe makes them flee as well?). (Level 10)

These are just off the top of my head, so I have no doubt they're not perfect. But hopefully they'll be of some use to your creative process

[Mullers_11]

Concerning Elladan and Elrohir:
These two are not really leaders so much as they are immensely skilled soldiers, and the powers I suggest are meant to reflect that:[list]
[*]First, I suppose they'll need to be able to toggle weapons, as they were ranger elves that were skilled with both blade and bow. (Level 1)

Right, my god....

Don't have a lot of time now so will sum up better later on.

As for that ^^ At the moment Elladan is melee only, however, I will speak to MAtias about Elladan being ranged, for the variation.

[Mathijs]

My Elrohir heavy armor skin, for now. As you can see he is ranged and melee, so I will apply Elladans skin to this model as well. Also, on the subject of cloaked Twins.. we could have it so that they use Faramirs skl until they reach lvl 5, and give them their new model and animations through a coded model upgrade, right?

EDIT: Wait, I forgot! B4ME2's Haldir can switch between sword and bow as well, and has a cloak! I hope Mullers will want to bind it to the Haldir skl.. blindly..

Edited by Matias, 11 May 2006 - 10:15 AM.

[Mathijs]

There.

[Mullers_11]

Oh I can... it's just that binding to a BFMEII skl blindly that have capes hasn't been going in the right direction. Lookin' nice Matias

[Mullers_11]

Double post.... shoot me later

Elladan and Elrohir just aren't working out for me. The binding blindly with a toggle and cape is just impossible for me. Unless someone else wants to take up the job and bind them they will be melee only.

But, with the little surprise we will have them in, there will be a ranged archer horde, maybe 2 in there for your range so you don't miss out with the two bro's'.

[Khamul_of_Rhun]

Will Radagast be for Elves? Will he even be in it at all?

[Mullers_11]

Not for the initial, no.

[Legs]

Any ideas? Maybe Firstborn?

i know its a lil late but what about the older children

cous the mens name was the younger children and the elves were the older children

Edited by Legolas1, 26 May 2006 - 10:54 PM.

[Mathijs]

To answer both questions, Elves will be renamed Eldar, and Radagast will probably not be in any release, since his involvement with the affairs concerning the War of the Ring was absolutely minimal. He was a hermit, living alone with his creatures. We respect this thought and will not have him battle alongside soldiers. In case anyone was planning to ask for the Blue Wizards, no, they will not be in either. These words are final, since hey, I am in Charge! Power!!

Edited by Matias, 29 May 2006 - 09:46 PM.