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[i z 3 r]

You probably are thinking what is the problem? It works!

You are partially right. Capitalism does work. But it is not flawless, and it costs lives and problems and fewer freedoms everyday, things are being limited all around us, even as we speak. In the society we live in today there is no feeling or compassion for the consumer. Companies lie and false advertise all the time. They gouge up prices and monopolize the market. The problem with Capitalism is the corruption, there is no moral guidelines for the companies to go by. Each and every day they lie cheat and steal to make more money.

Have you noticed that American has been in some sort of conflict every since the Korean war. Who supplies us with the weapons and tanks and war machines to fight wars? It is not the government, all the government sells out contracts to high biding companies such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Honeywell and United Technologies. These companies run out nations defense systems. Not our government. We pay these companies trillions and trillions of dollars to go to war and for what? What is the purpose of the war in Iraq? Currently a civil war is in the beginning stages, what do we plan to do? Stay there in the middle, in the cross fire so more of our men and women in service die for a cause they no longer believe in?

Why are we in Iraq in the first place? Weapons of Mass Deception? The Saddam / 9-11 connection? Do we really believe everything our government tell us without thinking? Whatever happened to thinking for ourselves? I remembered when I did listen to the government before 9-11. They told me that Saddam posed no threat to our country or its neighboring countries. Then we listened to our government and media without question on 9-11. We watched the towers being struck by planes. We saw the raging infernos inside the building and poor innocent people jump from the buildings. We then watched the towers crumble at near freefall speed. Floor after floor the buildings collapsed almost like a controlled demolition. But we listened to our government when they told us that the planes fires collapsed the buildings. All the time failing to realize that no building in the history of the world collapsed from a fire, let alone a fire that only burned for 32 and 56 minutes. We failed to realize that these buildings were the old buildings in the history of the world to collapse by planes hitting them as well.

Back in the 50's a B52 bomber crashed into the Empire State building. The fire lasted for 17 hours, and guess what? It did not collapse.

I am not going into detail about the 9-11 lie. But I will tell you this is what happens when Capitalism rules. This is what happens when billions and trillions of dollars of insider trading scandals are covered up. Corporate monkeys on the top would rather 3 thousand lives destroyed rather then going to jai. This is what happens when we listen to our government.

I listened to Bush when he told me the threats of Saddam , I remembered the terror alerts being raised, I remember his speeches telling me to go to the store and buy Gas masks for my family and duck tape my doors and windows. I remember a time where the country listened to the government when they told us to hide under our desks in the event of a atomic strike back in the Cuban missile crisis days. Why do we unconditionally trust our government? Why don't we look at the facts and ask questions anymore?

How did we let our Founding Fathers down? They warned us of this, the predicted these days coming, and we did nothing. We let our rich power hungry politicians take over. We are blind, we are followers. As our freedoms are getting limited and limited they are pulling the sheep skin over our eyes. We need to wake up before it is too late. We need to realize that when you are DENIED a lawyer because you are Iranian and committed a crime it is not right.

We need to wake up and stop letting our government limit our freedoms. I am very afraid of where we will be in ten years.

[duke_Qa]

the american system of capitalism is extreme, and have become more and more controlled by corporations. its not the democracy itself which is bad, but the people who have found loopholes to control it for their own means.

Europe has a much more left-oriented governments with a bit more concern of the people, but since corporations are international i dunno how long that is gonna last.

[Mastermind]

Why are we in Iraq in the first place? Weapons of Mass Deception? The Saddam / 9-11 connection? Do we really believe everything our government tell us without thinking? Whatever happened to thinking for ourselves? I remembered when I did listen to the government before 9-11. They told me that Saddam posed no threat to our country or its neighboring countries. Then we listened to our government and media without question on 9-11. We watched the towers being struck by planes. We saw the raging infernos inside the building and poor innocent people jump from the buildings. We then watched the towers crumble at near freefall speed. Floor after floor the buildings collapsed almost like a controlled demolition. But we listened to our government when they told us that the planes fires collapsed the buildings. All the time failing to realize that no building in the history of the world collapsed from a fire, let alone a fire that only burned for 32 and 56 minutes. We failed to realize that these buildings were the old buildings in the history of the world to collapse by planes hitting them as well.

Back in the 50's a B52 bomber crashed into the Empire State building. The fire lasted for 17 hours, and guess what? It did not collapse.

I am not going into detail about the 9-11 lie. But I will tell you this is what happens when Capitalism rules. This is what happens when billions and trillions of dollars of insider trading scandals are covered up. Corporate monkeys on the top would rather 3 thousand lives destroyed rather then going to jai. This is what happens when we listen to our government.

For one thing, the planes that hit the WTC are 20 times the size of that that hit the Empire State building (it was a B-25, not a B-52). I have no idea what you mean about no building in the world has collapsed from a fire, because that happens all the time. You're not going to go into the 9-11 lie because you've got no credibility and no leg to stand on, not because you don't want to waste time.

[i z 3 r]

Why are we in Iraq in the first place? Weapons of Mass Deception? The Saddam / 9-11 connection? Do we really believe everything our government tell us without thinking? Whatever happened to thinking for ourselves? I remembered when I did listen to the government before 9-11. They told me that Saddam posed no threat to our country or its neighboring countries. Then we listened to our government and media without question on 9-11. We watched the towers being struck by planes. We saw the raging infernos inside the building and poor innocent people jump from the buildings. We then watched the towers crumble at near freefall speed. Floor after floor the buildings collapsed almost like a controlled demolition. But we listened to our government when they told us that the planes fires collapsed the buildings. All the time failing to realize that no building in the history of the world collapsed from a fire, let alone a fire that only burned for 32 and 56 minutes. We failed to realize that these buildings were the old buildings in the history of the world to collapse by planes hitting them as well.

Back in the 50's a B52 bomber crashed into the Empire State building. The fire lasted for 17 hours, and guess what? It did not collapse.

I am not going into detail about the 9-11 lie. But I will tell you this is what happens when Capitalism rules. This is what happens when billions and trillions of dollars of insider trading scandals are covered up. Corporate monkeys on the top would rather 3 thousand lives destroyed rather then going to jai. This is what happens when we listen to our government.

For one thing, the planes that hit the WTC are 20 times the size of that that hit the Empire State building (it was a B-25, not a B-52). I have no idea what you mean about no building in the world has collapsed from a fire, because that happens all the time. You're not going to go into the 9-11 lie because you've got no credibility and no leg to stand on, not because you don't want to waste time.

If you want me to go into it I WILL.

I didn't in that article, becuase the subject of the article is not the 9-11 lie. And I want you to get me an article where it says a STEEL building collapsed from a fire.

[Mastermind]

http://www.tms.org/p...Eagar-0112.html
There's one that explains why the WTC collapsed, and it was caused by the fire from the jet fuel. Since it's authored by an MIT professor of Civil Engineering and an MIT graduate student I'd say it's reasonably credible.

[duke_Qa]

but even if the 9/11 was a part of some grand conspiracy scheme, it is not needed to show that corporations are too powerful these days...

[Mastermind]

How did we let our Founding Fathers down? They warned us of this, the predicted these days coming, and we did nothing. We let our rich power hungry politicians take over. We are blind, we are followers. As our freedoms are getting limited and limited they are pulling the sheep skin over our eyes. We need to wake up before it is too late. We need to realize that when you are DENIED a lawyer because you are Iranian and committed a crime it is not right.

We need to wake up and stop letting our government limit our freedoms. I am very afraid of where we will be in ten years.

The funny thing is that things like this have been happening for years. Civil liberties behave rather like a pendulum. In times of war or grave national danger, liberties are sometimes suspended for the greater good. After all, what liberty is greater than that of life? It's listed first in the Declaration of Independence (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness), and sometimes one must give up other rights to secure that of life. In World War Two there were mass internments of thousands of citizens (on a much greater scale than anything occurring now). Yet we are still a nation today, and still enjoy the same fundamental liberties we always have. The government always toes the line, but at some point they push too far, people react, and we have a growth of liberties again. It's been occurring throughout US history, and will continue into the forseeable future.

[i z 3 r]

How did we let our Founding Fathers down? They warned us of this, the predicted these days coming, and we did nothing. We let our rich power hungry politicians take over. We are blind, we are followers. As our freedoms are getting limited and limited they are pulling the sheep skin over our eyes. We need to wake up before it is too late. We need to realize that when you are DENIED a lawyer because you are Iranian and committed a crime it is not right.

We need to wake up and stop letting our government limit our freedoms. I am very afraid of where we will be in ten years.

The funny thing is that things like this have been happening for years. Civil liberties behave rather like a pendulum. In times of war or grave national danger, liberties are sometimes suspended for the greater good. After all, what liberty is greater than that of life? It's listed first in the Declaration of Independence (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness), and sometimes one must give up other rights to secure that of life. In World War Two there were mass internments of thousands of citizens (on a much greater scale than anything occurring now). Yet we are still a nation today, and still enjoy the same fundamental liberties we always have. The government always toes the line, but at some point they push too far, people react, and we have a growth of liberties again. It's been occurring throughout US history, and will continue into the forseeable future.

Yes I know its been happening for many years. History just keeps repeating itself. I just hope that one part of history does repeat it self. That part is where the people stop all the freedoms lost. Times are different then World War II ear and pre ww1 eras. I just hope the outcome is the same and liberty is still here.

[MSpencer]

If a B-52 hit the Empire State Building, the building would be half gone. The B-25 that hit it pretty much bounced off, and the fuel was a less volatile mix, there was much much less of it, and the damage was caused by a small airplane hitting the building (If you've seen B-25s, they're not very big, in fact the Doolittle Raid entailed taking them off of carriers).
Another thing is that conspiracy theorists have absolutely no credibility. None of them are experts in their field, and point to "clearly evident facts" which are more smoke and mirrors than the whole Iraq thing with the CIA. And to compound all of that, none of them agree with each other, and they constantly are embroiled in little childish squabbles. Conspiracy theories hold absolutely no water.

And how does capitalism have to do with 9/11?

[Drewry]

Has anybody seen the movie called "Smith Goes to Washington" It is a kind of older movie. But it accurately shows the problems with capitalist systems and the corruption that comes out of it. If you havent seen it try to watch it.