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#1 Hostile

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 08:42 PM

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This little film is interesting, points out many flaws in the Pentagon crash. Not sure what to think...

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 08:53 PM

Oh look people started waking up.
Sorry Hostile, don't want to be an ass but me and Hybrid have been pointing stuff like this for ages.

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 08:56 PM

That doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to post about this. I had not seen this one before.

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 09:09 PM

Its obvious, it wasnt a passenger plane it looks like some sort of anti-armour missile something simmilar to an Storm Shaddow or other cruise missile technology.
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Posted 09 April 2006 - 09:23 PM

Oh look people started waking up.
Sorry Hostile, don't want to be an ass but me and Hybrid have been pointing stuff like this for ages.

I simply thought it was interesting. I enjoy a good conspiracy as much as anyone else. Especially since this happened 15 minutes away. Makes me want to go to that hotel and ask the workers what they saw on the tape.

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Posted 09 April 2006 - 10:18 PM

A cruise missile would have blown half of the building away. Military explosives explode much differently from jet liners, and believe me, that incident has every symptom of just being a collision by a jet liner.
I too enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but this one is just ridiculous and has been going on for so long with such fevrent supporters that even those who have disproven it time and time again are drowned out.
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 05:51 PM

Loose change is the best 9/11 conspiracy documentary out there, it explains all this in better detail, with people who witnessed it, scientific evidence and professionals, especially pilots:

http://video.google....&q=loose change

Take note of the 52nd minute, this is what persuaded me.

too enjoy a good conspiracy theory, but this one is just ridiculous and has been going on for so long with such fevrent supporters that even those who have disproven it time and time again are drowned out.

Yet the official story has been destroyed, look at the evidence, it piles up. It cannot be drowned out. You always say this is just a speculation, yet the official story is also a SPECULATION. Just because it was released by the government and named "official" it doesn't mean even they know what happened on that day.

Too many inconsistencies, too many lies, too much distrust.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 06:27 PM

http://www.freedomun...ntagon.php#Main

This little film is interesting, points out many flaws in the Pentagon crash. Not sure what to think...



Its easy to know what to think.


Since anything that was serious and informative and truely news wouldn't have been put together in a flash video with such low grade music and subpar editing.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 09:08 PM

if it was so important and cruical i would expect an more verbal outcry ...

but meh it has an point about there being no signs of proper wreckage or damage to surrounding area and about the collapsability of the airliner nose ...

still some people believe london bombers were conspriacy too and that whole terrorist exercise on same day was just wierd.
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:00 PM

On 9/11 there were terror excerises, on 7/7 there were terror exercises, when they found that dead swan and said it had bird flu just a few days ago in britain, there was a bird flu excerise. What does this mean or more importantly why? Are people that silly to ignore these facts? Everytime a major event happens in these countries we are excerising elsewhere. So what is this: chance? coincidence? consequence? choice? luck/unluck?

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 11:25 PM

If the US government wanted to blow up the Pentagon and the WTC and blame it on terrorists, you would never even know that it was perpetrated by them. The US intelligence community, especially the CIA, has quite a bit of experience in that field, and if it is as you say, it wouldn't matter the number of casualties, so they could just make them nice, neat, tidy bombs using C4 to literally just level buildings.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 12:47 AM

Hence why it happened...

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:02 PM

But you see, it didn't. If they didn't care about casualties, it would have been a lot messier, there would have been few witnesses, and there wouldn't be an inkling that the government was involved, which they weren't.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:06 PM

It wasn't to do with death counts, it was to do with fear manipulation, feeling of needing security and attacking the american people psychologically for the final stage of the agenda. George Bush lied countless times about it. Like he stated he saw the first plane hit the building on the morning in the school, no one saw that until hours if not days later. So he lied. I expect what he meant to say was he saw the planning and imaged it in his mind.

Even the PNAC had a document talking of a "new pearl harbour" and on sept 11th george w bush said "this is the pearl harbour of our time."

If it was death counts they wanted i'm quite sure it could have been worse, but it simply wasn;t, it was an attack on the america peoples, ordered by higher elites (not simply the bush administration who are simply puppets) and then used to screech forward the new world order agenda.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:09 PM

I don't think anyone, even the most corrupt and power hungry Americans, would ever dream of making a fake attack on American soil and killing thousands of innocent Americans.


The risk of information coming out that proves it was an American conspiracy would be FAR to great, and if it did come out..There would riots against the government and america would fall into a divided nation of city states, as opposed to a united states.



I am far from a supporter of the current regime in power, and I am not exactly in love with this country or blinded by patriotism, but I have to say...the sheer connotation of this being perpetrated by Americans...I think it is the biggest load of idiocy I could ever imagine.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:12 PM

Why would it matter if the bush administration is blamed, they might be partly responsible however if they are puppets they can be disposable.

People don't ask themselves enough questions about it. The one i asked really was: who gained most from this. Certainly not al qaeda or a random and insignificant terror cell located in afghanistan, notably where the poppy crops are and also those plans to build a gas pipeline, or in iraq, notably were the oil is or very close to iran, syria and israel... Oh so thats where the WMD went. :laugh:

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:16 PM

Going by that logic, all our previous embassy bombings abroad must have been perpetuated by an American conspiracy.


After all, America did train and supply the Taliban to evict the soviets from Afghanistan, and then abandoned them when our use for them is over...and provided Saddam with biological weapons samples..and generally made bad choice after bad choice regarding everyone in the middle east except for Saudi Arabia.


So No, I can't see why anyone would foster a grudge against us.

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:17 PM

Countries and orginisations will do a lot of things to get things their way, killing peope is a no problem. And Spencer, a cruise missile with a specilaised payload would achieve the objective or destroying a small part, they puncture through buildings I think if a plane had hit the pentagon it would of done a lot more damage.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 09:34 PM

You know what Tom? You come up with convincing arguments, but you blow your credibility the second you mention the "elite".
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 11:39 PM

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