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#181 Tom

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 10:34 AM

To be honest i still can't get why people are upset about T3A, its bollacks. People focus on the issues that are irrelevent, it won't solve anything by making T3A more centralised with the main revora forums. People are focusing on the wrong issues, arguing about "guest posting" which isn't an issue at all and just makes life easier, then t3a, then the "forgeforums" its like they need a scapegoat to moan rather than do something. Sometimes i think its because of misunderstanding and assumptions that they know whats going on or the reasons behind it, but really they just assume thus making complete arses out of themselves, just like this thread has illustrated. If people want revora "fixed" then they need to start dedicating themselves to the job they were hired for and become proactive, rather than react because they see something they don't like and then whine about it.

I think this topic should remain open for discussion as its the perfect opportunity for people to get all their negativity out of them.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 10:57 AM

Yeah let us flame for no reason :lol:

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 11:23 AM

Personally i also don't understand the whole reason why people are critisising T3A. As far as im concerned that area is Hostiles and i think he should run it how he wants (as well as the other admins). Just so long as he lets us know about any major info :p

I feel negative about Revora atm because it seems to be losing all what i classed as fun. Maybe its just becuase i've been a Staff member and Admin and cause of that it loses the whole point of being a modder. I am seriously concidering giving up my Admin Position and going back to the Hosted level just because i want to go back to how it was. I can see that people with the level of Admin are mostly looked upon with contempt, and as a result i don't want that to be me...

I just want to come to relax at revora rather then come here and get more pressure put on me. I know i don't do bugger all, but to me this is more pressure upon an already high amount i've got at home. Tbh the main reason why i have kept with this position atm is cause of CodeCat :lol:
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Posted 06 May 2006 - 12:38 PM

I'll have to agree with Hostile though. And I really don't understand why they want to forge forums. I think it will happen anyway when C&C 3 will appear. Then I think most of T3A and C&C will move to that forum. That's why I think it's a good thing the forum is seperate. It's easier to find for everyone from T3A and it will be easier to see which mods will be for C&C 3.
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Posted 06 May 2006 - 01:30 PM

I visit Revora, ES (C&CReneclips), PPM and a few other forums. Does it matter I'm on multiple forums? No. So why should this one make a difference? I say give him a change before you judge.

About T3A, I don't have a real problem with how things are now. I just visit everything that interests me on Revora and that includes some mods and topics from T3A. Double topics can be annoying, I agree on that one, but that's in the PR subforum too. I admit discussing C&C3 in 4 different topics on Revora (along with those from ES and PPM) is a bit unhandy. But apart from double topics, I don't have a problem with it. There's also people who only visit the RA2 section. Their choice, we can't force them to visit entire Revora. It's them missing out on things, not us. They're free to visit those areas they're interested in.

I think this thread has better stayed closed, but I'll leave it upto the NLs. Parts of this thread's been annoying me for some days on occasion now, but I believe as an admin I should remain calm. I may let some negativity out on MSN to friends on occasion, but I won't go and flame people on a forum. I don't think it shows you as very professional and calm when you go around posting flamey stuff here often or something. I think some people are seeing issues which in fact aren't issues, this isn't worth a ten page topic about it if you ask me. It (Tom making this forum) should not have been that big of a deal as it's been made out to be by some.

Xeno, I'll talk to you on MSN sometime soon.

As a last comment I would like to say to those who only exclaim Revora sucks (without stating constructive critisism, either in this topic or on IM): if you think Revora sucks then either make constructive comments or leave the place. If someone's made a mod or model, you state what can be improved and possibly suggestions of how to solve what you think is wrong with it, you don't go around and post "OMG it sucks!!".. By all means post suggestions in a normal polite way (as some people here definately have done), but saying something sucks without stating why exactly or tips to improve, won't solve anything. Above all, remember it's not us who types http://forums.revora.net in your browser window, it's you :lol:.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 01:55 PM

I once did have a problem with T3A, but only from a Revorian point of view, whereby it seemed too insular.

Shortly after that debate, I realised T3A had the right idea. Each section should be independently run, with the NLs playing a much less pervasive role.

I'm not even going to dignify any of Banshee's words with response. His snidey points and desire to get the last word/insult render him thusly beneath my serenity.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 01:59 PM

Each section should be independently run, with the NLs playing a much less pervasive role.

Then what is what you call Revora? Where is the difference between that and just visiting a lot of different forums?

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 02:01 PM

You know the answer to that question.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 02:43 PM

But not everyone does, so maybe you could go into further detail.
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Posted 06 May 2006 - 03:19 PM

Actually, you certainly do. You were there when I proposed massive overhaul of the network.
I said independently run, not each on an independent forum.

I see no reason to re-iterate it in any further detail than this.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 03:54 PM

My thoughts are T3A would never have made it on it's own network, it needed Revora as father figure to survive. The users from revora got T3A off the ground. It would have been a flop without Revora.

At the same time, T3A success has breathed new life into Revora as a NEW game is finally represented that is still relevant because it uses the SAGE engine. So we are relevant to CNC.

TBH, I'm into guns and bombs and not swords and shields. But it's still the SAGE engine and many great changes are there for CNC coders.

I'm gonna make another push at T3A to get people to look at the rest of Revora and GET OUT OF THE NEST for Christs sake. I can only do so much, I cannot make anyone do anything...

But I promise I'll work at it. I don't want T3A to be the outcast of Revora for any reason.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 09:04 PM

If you'll notice, that's no longer what I'm asking you to do. I wasn't being sarcastic just now when I said you actually had the right idea. I realise that now. I realised it when I realised Revora's got too many levels and chains of command and ends up getting tangled in its own red tape.

But there's nothing to stop you trying. It does feel really weird when you try and go into T3A...you see a ton of new faces you've not seen elsewhere on the board, and they know you as little as you know them. It seems strange that two portions of the same website can seem so alien to eachother, but it seems that that's actually half of the success story. You maintained a level of independence that all the network sites need in order to grow. Their growth is stunted by inefficiency. While I at first thought your way was inefficient, turns out it was the opposite way round. And I'm all in favour of optimising efficiency.

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Posted 06 May 2006 - 11:30 PM

The 3rd Age is not completely independent since Hostile interferes a lot. One section that was hardly touched by any NL was Warhammer 40k, and it's also being quite successfull. Thudo is doing a good job.
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Posted 07 May 2006 - 02:19 AM

The 3rd Age is not completely independent since Hostile interferes a lot. One section that was hardly touched by any NL was Warhammer 40k, and it's also being quite successfull. Thudo is doing a good job.

I'll assume your lack of english and knowing that's it's not your first language caused you to write a word that was not in the correct context.

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I don't interfere with T3A, I help it along when it needs it...

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 02:22 AM

PR (CNC Guild) Has rarely been touched by NL either.

I believe I have only seen Blaat there a few times and she's not even NL.

I think all of you should stop bitching and get along.

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Posted 07 May 2006 - 03:29 AM

The 3rd Age is not completely independent since Hostile interferes a lot. One section that was hardly touched by any NL was Warhammer 40k, and it's also being quite successfull. Thudo is doing a good job.

I'll assume your lack of english and knowing that's it's not your first language caused you to write a word that was not in the correct context.

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Sorry, you're correct about my misuse of the word 'interfere'.

PR (CNC Guild) Has rarely been touched by NL either.

I believe I have only seen Blaat there a few times and she's not even NL.

I think all of you should stop bitching and get along.


I wasn't talking about projects or mods. I was talking about Revora divisions. CnC Guild, The 3rd Age, Petrolution, W40k DoW are divisions of Revora. Project Raptor, Contra, ReGeneration, Mental Omega, Only War 2 and Half Unreal are random examples of hosted mods, not divisions of Revora. Network Leaders do support these divisions, however, the decision makers for each are the admins related to them.
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Posted 07 May 2006 - 09:26 AM

T3A was made by Hostile in the first place. And although he's decided to cease running it, he's obviously still going to be interested in its development, and hold some sway. As far as the admins there are concerned, they're running it in Hostile's stead.

I don't qualify that as interference in any way, shape or form. Infact, as far as I'M concerned, if I had a question about T3A, Hostile would be my first port of call. If I had not read the thread myself, I would never have known or assumed or been given any reason to assume that he had left the post at all.




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