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#41 Pastinator

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Posted 28 August 2006 - 10:26 PM

The idea that monkeys are around is stupid, please try and read the theory of evoloution corectly, terry Pratchets "The science of the discworld" has a chapter on it.
Anyway. Humans did NOT evolve from apes, they evolved from an ape like ancestor, lets try and do a scenario

This is very simplistic btw and the conditions are made up, but the thesis is the same.

There is a creature origanly that is a type of primate(the group humans, apes, gorrilaas etc. are in.) Lets say about a hundred of them exist in a community, now during the history of the earth, lots of land bridges have appeared along the sea, lets say the creatures live in a wood. They are all the same species, adapting subtly to changes in the wood(more smaller insects about, rather than big ones to eat, those that are more agile catch them better, the guys who can't get anough and aren't agile slowly die off, because they all die off if they can't eat then they stay the same species.)

Suddenly a land bridge appears connecting the wood island to somewhere africa like in the equator(interestingly, humans are said to have started off in africa, a big F OFF to all you racists eh?) Some of the primates go across to the equator place, live in the plains, but because of the landbridge they can stay near each other and if the conditions are bad then they have another source to live on.

Over time, due to continental shift lets say(a climate change or the like would do just aswell) The land bridge is cut off and the wood island goes off into the tropics, the island slowly turns into a tropical rainforest(which is another case of evoloution lol, but lets just say if you want, god put the rainforest there, so that the tropical island fitted in with his idea of the tropics)

The creatures that are left in the plains suddenly have to fend for themselves with no reliance of their previous habitat. In the plains there is a lot more different stimulas, but lets say there are a lot of predators that hide in the long grass, now the taller primates that can see over the grass see the predators easier so can escape, as do the primates that stand higher on two legs for the same reason.Over time lets say with this, the creatures evolve into humans, along with other stimuli. They lose their tails due to them being vestigal9no longer needed) and the fact that they drag along the ground slowing them down etc., tails still exist in the human geonome , shown by people being born with small ones themseleves

Back on the tropical island The primates also may have to try and escape from predators, due to the extra cover the rain forest provides, now because the cover is in the shape of bushes and the like, standing higher in the plains would not help , instead the abilty to climb away from predators would, over time, the creatures which are better at climbing(have more dextrous fingers and toes) would be better able to escape from predators, that probally, due to the need to speedily catch prey, would have evolved to stay on all for for speed. Eventually the two species are no longer alike and become gorrilas and humans.

Hope this explained it to you;) humans did not evolve from apes, both apes and humans evolved from ape like ancestors.

PS. Would people not mind being nasty to religous people, if we just use debate for each individual argument they use, instead of continually saying one that they obviously don't accept then maybe they will become more used to debate, instead of both sides spouting religously the same view(irony intended).

PPS: sorry for spelling mistakes, it took enough effort to put paragraphs in!

PPPS: Does anyone else notice that every dan brown novel, its never the guy you least suspect, it's the guy you least least suspect!

PPPPS: Why does every subject with religion in it get hijacked for evoloutionvs religion?

Edited by Pastinator, 28 August 2006 - 10:28 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2006 - 02:58 AM

Yes, but there's always the genetic aspect of it. You're taking it from a purely qualitative standpoint, where there is certainly a quantitative aspect to natural selection which can almost be predicted based on the situation.
Any argument against religion can quickly be answered with an overwhelming barrage of information. Everyone who produces a video, everyone who lectures at a Christian school, everyone who speaks at a Church, is ignorant to the emerging evidence in nearly every sub-field of biology. They take the word of a man, who 150 years ago, successfully predicted a tenet of modern biological science, and try and say that that is the modern emerging theory of evolution through natural selection. They take stuff on the high school level, which when you get to higher levels of biology is more like a general summary meant to fit in a 45 minute period, and try to use it off of some contorted creationist belief to "prove" that evolution is wrong, completely ignorant to the labors of thousands of scientists who have devoted themselves to the study of evolutionary biology.
Now, I already posted some recommended reading in a few other threads. I can call it up again. I'm extending a challenge to anyone on this forum right now. If you order those books and read them, and can argue successfully that evolution is absolutely incorrect in its current emerging form, and that beyond a reasonable doubt the theory is inherently and completely flawed, I will read the Bible. Cover to cover. Old, New, and Newer Testament. Then, I will sit in on a full sermon. And I won't make fun of it.
But you have to beat science first. You all act tough and say science is wrong, but when it comes time to present facts, all of you wimp out. Now go for it. (Not directed towards you Pastinator, more everyone else who has argued against evolution repeatedly)



And I agree on the Dan Brown book thing. I never thought it would be Pickering in Deception Point, I thought the entire time that it was Tench...
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Posted 29 August 2006 - 07:43 PM

ROCK ON!I got part of evoloution right!*dances* Thanks MSpencer, i'm sure it's been asked before, but do you work in sceince, or are you just interested a lot?
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Posted 29 August 2006 - 08:21 PM

I've taken some advanced courses, did an internship, got a 5 on the AP Bio test, and I know a few biologists and the like. Officially, I just like biology, taken a few advanced biology courses, and I'm going to be majoring in biology.
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Posted 30 August 2006 - 09:48 AM

YAY!Well, my father used to be a biology teacher, so that put me off biology for quite a while(i mean, does a plant need that many names for all its parts?!) but i have come to realise lots of stuff in it is interesting.
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:02 AM

Dan Brown's books are great (to get back on topic), although maybe a bit of the same mostly. You could probably design a Create-Your-Own-Dan-Brown-Novel-Wizard :p

And yes, it's always the person you least expect, yet also expect a lot :p

Tell me, if the monkeys were suppose to evolve, why are they still around?

nothing or nobody was every 'supposed' to evolve. random mutations (along with the things mentioned above) just happened and allowed the stronger species to survive in it's environment (survival of the fittest)
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 11:36 AM

Necromancer :p. I've heard that too though, that the books are a bit similar.

I haven't read the book yet (or seen the film). My mum bought it and it's on my list of 'Books-I-want-to-read-sometime'. I estimate it'll be read somewhere between now and 2015, because there's plenty of things I want to do and the list of books isn't short :p.

I still haven't :p.

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Posted 13 April 2007 - 06:45 PM

Oh, I just realized I revived a very old topic
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Posted 13 April 2007 - 07:29 PM

the necromancer comment was quite well disguised yes :blink:

i don't think theres a big point in reading it if you look at bit deeper for thriller books that have more to them than a bit of religious background in them. if it didnt use christianity it wouldnt be better than a 3/10. people with alot of faith might get more out of this book since it would bring up alot of topics that are important to them. to me it was like "about time someone started pointing at the flaws in religion somehow... though i've read better"

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Posted 14 April 2007 - 05:57 AM

I read it on holiday. So did about a dozen people I ended up travelling with :blink: Its a rubish book, but its good trash for long bus journeys where you cbf reading something that would require more effort than watching cacti pass the window.

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 04:14 AM

I have to say the book was lowsy, I read it because I thought it's mass popularity must have indicated a really good read, but what sold it was how contravertial it was.
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Posted 15 April 2007 - 04:27 AM

if I ever write a book, I'll call it
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Posted 16 April 2007 - 10:59 PM

You have my word. I'll remove anyone who is a non believer. A simple up front discussion on God. But your "pastor" better know his bible...


:rolleyes: :crazed:

I a christian myself but im not sure id force people out of a topic for their views (or were you just joking?).
In any case I too have not seen the film or read the book and I've heard alot about it....
However I think though Chris Rock said it best on Dogma: "I just think it's better to have an idea than a belief".

It's true the bible and belief's can aspire people to become better but also as Chris rock also points out people die from what they beleave.

To say having a belief is not a good idea well its just another catch 22 (as they say), because it can make a person more confident and satisfied, on the other it can be too extreme and in some cases if you don't agree on a similar point theres always going to be a chance that fricition and fighting will occur...
But that my friend sis balance, and in this crazy world we need to create the bad as well as the good because otherwise it just seems rather dull if we were all the same wouldn't it? (then some amd person says no everyone should be like me and thats when we say... R I G H T :p ) :blush:

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