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#1 Comrade Kal

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 11:15 PM

There is of course no reason why the new totalitarian states should resemble the old. Government by clubs and firing squads is not merely inhumane, it is demonstrably inefficient and in an age of advanced technology, inefficiency is a sin againt the Holy Ghost. A really efficent totalitarian state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to coerced, because they love their servitude...The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished not by doing something but by refraining from doing. Great is truth but still greater is silence about the truth.
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It is unquestionable that Britain is one of many countries in the world drifting into fascism. The US is an obvious one, but we fail to realise how close it is happening to home. But if we continue to refer t this new oppressive system of government as 'fascism', we cannot fight it, as we will do nothing until we see armed soldiers patrolling the streets. the new system of government is authoritarian, oppressive, and increasingly totalitarian.

Primarily, the country is increasingly run by unelected individuals. We have the house of lords, an unelected group of 'politicians' consisting of landowners and businessmen who have either inherited or bought their position. They use this primarily to hinder progressive laws and maintain the old ways, for example opposing the fox-hunting ban. Here, we have a prime example of unelected figures playing a role in politics.

Politically, there is a very small spectrum of acceptibility. Only the three main parties gain any media coverage, which are all practically identical. Here we see election campaigns revolving around "well a vote for a minor party you actually agree with will be wasting your vote."

Politically, the group with the most power is a conglomerate of businessmen and industrialists called the CBI. Almost every private television station and newspaper is operated by them, so they exercise their influence over the government. To quote George Monbiot, "Every public event the bosses' trade union hosts is attended by a senior minister, usually either the Prime Minister or the Chancellor of the Exchequer. They come on bended knee to ask permission to stay in office."

The vast majority of the media is controlled by multi-millionaires, members of the elite class who control the government, as their stranglehold over the media results in them being the most powerful group of voters in the country. This is effectively weighting the votes of one group above another, and is another unelected group of people wihtout whose consent nobody can be elected prime minister. An example of this is the conservative party conference. A mere couple of hundred old men, it was widely covered and reported by all newspapers and television stations. In contrast, the 51,000-strong, youth-dominated European Social Forum achieved only one report in the entire printed British press.

There is also no doubt that we are seeing a gradual erosion of our civil liberties. It is now banned to protest outside parliament, and the government has the power to dissolve any protest. It is now illegal "to persuade any person ... not to do something that he is entitled or required to do, or to do something that he is not under any obligation to do". This has been used to break up several peaceful protests, and distributing leaflets has now become a crime.

During the Labour party conference, an old man said the word "nonsense" at the back of the room, and was removed by two heavies and thrown onto the street. If he had said this vicious and evil word twice, fortunately, he would have been recognised as the threat to national security he surely is and charged. As the law states - it “must involve conduct on at least two occasions … conduct includes speech.” It has since been used to stop peaceful protests, used by arms companies to disperse protests at their gates, and used to prosecute a woman for sending two police emails to a drugs company asking them to stop testing on animals.

The terrorism act in 2000 is even worse. Yes, you can now be arrested for wearing a t-shirt that might “arouse reasonable suspicion”. The police can now arrest anyone they believe may be about to commit an offence, and holding them in custody without trial for seven days. Added to the obvious fact we have more CCTV cameras per person than anywhere else in the world, it's pretty hard to get away with. Plans are also underway to fit mandatory tracking devices in every vehicle, along with ID cards fr every citizen.

Welcome to the brave new world.

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 12:10 AM

well i can't say that i disagree with your opinion on alot of these fields. the fact that there is alot of people in power who we are not able to do something about is disturbing. America is run by corporations who pay lobbyists to get the government to do their job. also the two party system is something i call a semi-dictatorship as its as close to a binary choice where both options are most likely wrong.

we got right-wing populist parties in Norway that wants to get rid of the minor parties because they believe "they make politics boring and moderate". i'm so bloody glad that we got 8 parties with influence in our country compared to america or britain or other countries, because it really keeps people on their toes when it comes to what they are voting on, and it makes sure that the parties can't have the same opinions on everything like they do in the states...

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 02:32 PM

The worst thign is, as soon as a government that's even more authoritarian gets into power, they inherit all these laws which they can put to use even more.
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 02:41 PM

but one might wonder how the people would allow an even more authoritarian government to be elected if they just have been through 8 hours of neo-conservatism and they see the shit they've been through?

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 02:51 PM

In Britain, it's different. Labour are supposedly the LEFT, so the alternative is to get the even more authoritarian and right-wing conservatives into power. The only 'alternative' is the slightly less-authoritarian liberal democrats, who everyone considers a joke.

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 03:17 PM

Aren't Conservatives right-wing?
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Posted 11 June 2006 - 03:56 PM

Whoops. Yes.

Well in Britain they are. 'conservative' is not directly linked to economic policy. For example, in Russia you could consider the Stalinists 'conservatives'. Actually, come to think of it, the revolutionaries on Russia would be reactionaries. Crazy!
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 03:17 PM

I see your point Kal. In Canada for example, the conservatives are more economicaly right wing, and the liberals are more left wing. But, if you look at China for instance, the ones who are considered conservatives are the strict communists, while the Liberals are considered to be those pushing for a more capitalist reform.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 12:16 AM

Then you have the countries which have no left-wing party altogether. Not even a centrist one. Just right-wingers. Take Poland for example. The most left-wing of these are liberals who want free-market capitalism. Now take the most right-wing... If Hitler lived - he would be proud.

It's saddening when I say that you won't be able to do anything here without a clear hands-down revolution.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:22 AM

Well, I'm supportive of a party system if it has:

1. A couple centrist parties.

2. A few leaners.

3. Maybe a few really leaning ones.

4. And a few radicals even, but not TOO radical. No Stalinism or Nazism.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:26 PM

And look at the United States....even their democrats are probably more right-wing than our conservatives! I seriously think the US needs some sort of electoral reform.

Although I think Canada has a good balance:
Conservatives: Centrist-Right
Liberals: Centrist-left
New democratic Party: Left

However, I wish the NDP could get more than 29 out of 308 seats in parliament.... :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 06:50 PM

Oh that's just a wonderful balance. :rolleyes:
It is my opinion that political parties should always stay centered around a pyramid peaking at absolute center. Too much left is very bad, as is too much right. Policies should be made independent of political ideology, they should be made according to the benefits that the people might reap from them.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:35 PM

Moderate politics simplly enforce the current society. Hundreds of years ago, it would be radical to have a limited dictatorship rather than divine right. Society will move on and one day people who support this society will be reactionary lunatics. As I believe Guy Debord said, "The days of this society are numbered. It's merits and consequences have been weighed up and found lacking. We are now divided into two parts, one of which wants the other to disappear."
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:39 PM

Moderate politics enforce a society that is moderate. A moderate in a Communist country would be... guess what! Moderate. A moderate in a Fascist one? Moderate!
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:39 PM

Some say now that history is dead in terms of politics, ideologies are all the same now, no one is either left or right wing just occupieing the center ground for the parties which want to get into office.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:58 PM

I meant the current mdoerate society. Moderate politics... well, let's see what evils remain.

Ultimately, there are things being pushed now which are independent of governmental power, so long as the government does not directly confront them. therefore, any moderate government, whilst not being as bad as ane xtreme government one way which would encourage them, is certainly causing evil by remaining silent. The evils that remain, and would grow:

Supermarkets
Well, yes, supermarkets create dead zones, they destroy towns and small shopkeepers and drive people out of business and concrete over meadows, but also, they hire groups to do illicit things such as illegal draining operations in Africa which cause many people to die of thirst.

Starvation
Moderate policies, of course, will do nothing to stop this. Man's inhumanity to man, let them starve, we need that money for the rich to buy more ferraris!

War
Well, it does fuck all to stop war as well. Of course, the increasing privatisation of war, paid mercenaries, all goes to reduce the cost of life. Nobody cares about people being bombed anymore, so long as they're brown. PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY. Innocents through our acts, wars which we cause, starvation by our failure to provide food for them, man's injustice to man. They have no funeral, nobody cares about them, they're foreign, they're probably black, so they're especially not worth caring about. But when evil people like Reagan die, we have huge funerals dedicated to them, and we will when evil people like Thatcher die.

Ultimately, these are just three things I could be arsed listing. poverty, globalisation, the environment... all are inexorable problems that 'moderates' simply do not face. Moderate? They show no foresight, altruism... they're lunatics! Moderate essentially means the silence about growing problems. Moderate politics have no place in the world.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:17 AM

Hmm? I am a (admittedly slightly leaning on right) social capitalist (Thanks for naming that ideology BTW, I was always looking for a word to describe my beliefs), and I can tell you RIGHT now that if I were dictator that would not happen. Moderate doesnt mean lazy.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:17 AM

Moderate politics is just that: fence-sitting. Doing nothing. That's why society is in a state of stagnation since the end of the cold war. No more east-west rivalisation means nothing has to be done, and everyone (read: the elite) can leech off money of what is already available.

The best example is the space race, and how nothing has been done by anyone when Russia stopped their own programme, and they did that because they were killing themselves with the extremely wise leadership of Brezhnev (note for the slow: his policy was stupid at a entirely new level).

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:18 AM

My Moderate ideology basically means"compromise on most things", not "do bnothing". Anyone who bewlieves in a lazy Moderate ideology is really really dumb.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:27 AM

So you would ban supermarkets then? And work to end global poverty? And only fight defensive wars?
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