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#1 Hostile

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 12:28 AM

http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/5089476.stm

So the speculation grows that a possible test launch of a N Korean long range ICBM is on the horizon. If this missile is successful, than we now have a nation with 6 nukes (at least) capable of hitting US territories. It doesn't mean they would do it, but it does mean that missile proliferation could have awesome effects.

One can than better understand Irans race to be a nuclear nation. A misile with that range and nuke capable, creates an extra bargaining chip. Like a nuclear cookie...

Can one imagine a nuclear Iran with the same missile tech? That would even make England in range of Iranian nukes. London is exactly 2736 miles from Tehran.

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Posted 17 June 2006 - 12:56 AM

Well... it takes a while to get good missiles. If you had asked rocket scientists in the early 1950s what the chance of our ICBMs hitting Soviet territory was, they'd say 100%. If you asked them now about our chances of those same ICBMs hitting Soviet territory then, they'd say something like 40-50%, with poor accuracy. First gen missile tech is generally terrible, it will take them a while to get it right unless a nuclear country helps them.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 03:45 AM

This is stil lscary... Then again, if they nuke us, we can obliterate them...
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 04:18 AM

IF they nuke. They're not building the badass missile to kill you all, it's more like a "you cant touch me" card played. It's all for the benefits, not the killing power. It always was.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:18 AM

**dance to the left** **another dance to the right** **I have nukes and missiles that can reach the US** **another step to the left** **we dance again back to the right**

This nation is crazy. http://edition.cnn.c...e.ap/index.html

Is the world stupid? It's obvious what they are doing. And we all get to sit back and watch it happen. The US is the bad guy, fighting a worldwide war on terror. Those bad ameriKans.

But the NK are building these missiles so they can put thier precious nukes on the top and use that as a bargaining chip.

Can you imagine? The NK is about to place nukes on top of missiles that will be in reach of the US west coast. And to top it, there are people around the world who think this is a good idea? I don't know, people like Lord Kal for example? Anything to simply kill americans in masse'

Does anyone fully grasp the level of threat we are under? Has anyone in thier own mind played out such a scenerio? This is scary stuff. This is the kinda scary an apocolypse is made from...

This isn't just an internet game, this is happening right now. And the mentality of "if they nuke someone we'll nuke them back" is idiotic. Even the Soviet Union wasn't that stupid. I don't want to see LA blown up by a nuke, no matter how bad the movies they produce. Not only do they have this missile tech, you know they will sell it to other nations like Iran.

I'm thinking of packing my bags and moving to New Zealand. This shit is scaring the fuck out of me....I'm being honest.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 05:20 AM

It's really really doubtful that anyone would use a nuke in todays world. They would have to be really damn desperate to do so, but nobody will launch a missile just out of pure spite. Too much to lose by everyone ganging up on you at the very instant it is launched.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:21 AM

its a country following the MAD principle so they won't get invaded like Iraq did.

only people who would use a nuke would be terrorists.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:41 AM

The North Koreans missile tech is proberly very low, I'm sure it could be shot down easily with the current anti-balistic missile technology.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 10:24 AM

Hostile, there's one thing to deride a policy, a political ideal or whatever, but there's absolutely no need to imply that Kal or anyone else would support North fucking Korea. They're anything BUT communist, and if you honestly believe that they are, you know fuck all about anything, dude. Kal isn't stupid enough to think that communism has been properly achieved, and he's said a million times. USSR didn't do it right, China didn't do it right, NK certainly didn't.

Lay the fuck off, dude. You used this thread as an excuse to get one in on Kal, and that makes you just as bad as you think he is. :shiftee: You might be as McCarthyist as they come, but that's no excuse to make uncalled-for comments like that.



Back on topic, I don't believe the USA's war, apparently on "terror", was a good idea. It isn't working, for a kickoff, and it's resulted in so many pretexts for declaring war it's utterly frightening. I don't see NK being tyrannical to anyone nearby, or declaring war. If you haven't noticed, but the N and S of Korea are starting to make projects to reunify.

But I do agree that more countries with a nuclear programme is a bad idea. To be honest, I don't think any nation on the planet should have them, but there's no chance in hell of any of them getting rid of them.

Besides, if it wasn't nukes NK were going for, it'd be nerve agents or smallpox v 2.0. Ebola, perhaps? None of those are funny either...


It's not as if even Jong-Il is stupid enough to actually USE these weapons. It would serve no purpose for him whatsoever. The USA would just call his bluff every time, as they know they could turn his nation to glass.

As said, no nation on this planet should have the power of even one nuclear weapon. But the fact that nations do have them gives all other nations the right to have them, and gives the nations that do no rights whatsoever to judge their development of such a programme.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 10:26 AM

What does Kal have to do with this thread? :shiftee: His name isn't mentioned anywhere except in your post.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 11:28 AM

Hostile had a go at him earlier.

Can you imagine? The NK is about to place nukes on top of missiles that will be in reach of the US west coast. And to top it, there are people around the world who think this is a good idea? I don't know, people like Lord Kal for example? Anything to simply kill americans in masse'



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Posted 18 June 2006 - 01:22 PM

Back on topic, I don't believe the USA's war, apparently on "terror", was a good idea. It isn't working, for a kickoff, and it's resulted in so many pretexts for declaring war it's utterly frightening. I don't see NK being tyrannical to anyone nearby, or declaring war. If you haven't noticed, but the N and S of Korea are starting to make projects to reunify.


Which were of course ruined by the glorious US president, who - at the moment NK actually openned their borders on SK - went on bullshitting NK in the media (calling them axis of evil, and demading them to stop nuclear expansion - in the moment when Kim-Il actually started to cooperate). SK wouldn't turn down US support for anything, so they approved and went and pissed of old Jong, and voila - the borders are closed again. Because the Americans wanted so. This is one of the things that pisses me off sincerely when you guys actually believe that NK is the rotten one. Your government ain't no better to be frank.

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:12 PM

Someone like the great conquerers of hte past needs to rise up, and take the entiire globe in a great military campaign and unify teh entire world under a single world nation

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 04:36 PM

Do you think that would make people happier?

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 04:47 PM

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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:39 PM

It depends whether you mean military haegemony or le monde sans frontieres.
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Posted 19 June 2006 - 12:25 AM

Hostile, there's one thing to deride a policy, a political ideal or whatever, but there's absolutely no need to imply that Kal or anyone else would support North fucking Korea. They're anything BUT communist, and if you honestly believe that they are, you know fuck all about anything, dude. Kal isn't stupid enough to think that communism has been properly achieved, and he's said a million times. USSR didn't do it right, China didn't do it right, NK certainly didn't.

Lay the fuck off, dude. You used this thread as an excuse to get one in on Kal, and that makes you just as bad as you think he is. :lol: You might be as McCarthyist as they come, but that's no excuse to make uncalled-for comments like that.



Back on topic, I don't believe the USA's war, apparently on "terror", was a good idea. It isn't working, for a kickoff, and it's resulted in so many pretexts for declaring war it's utterly frightening. I don't see NK being tyrannical to anyone nearby, or declaring war. If you haven't noticed, but the N and S of Korea are starting to make projects to reunify.

But I do agree that more countries with a nuclear programme is a bad idea. To be honest, I don't think any nation on the planet should have them, but there's no chance in hell of any of them getting rid of them.

Besides, if it wasn't nukes NK were going for, it'd be nerve agents or smallpox v 2.0. Ebola, perhaps? None of those are funny either...


It's not as if even Jong-Il is stupid enough to actually USE these weapons. It would serve no purpose for him whatsoever. The USA would just call his bluff every time, as they know they could turn his nation to glass.

As said, no nation on this planet should have the power of even one nuclear weapon. But the fact that nations do have them gives all other nations the right to have them, and gives the nations that do no rights whatsoever to judge their development of such a programme.

TBH, Kal was the last thing on my mind when I wrote this other than a small reference based on his history. Back on topic. the idea of a crazy nation having not only nukes but with the missile tech to reach the west coast of the US, is horrifiying.

You can choose to talk the importance down. But so did the western powers before WWII. Even if they never fire them, the threat of them looming over the US will cause emotions in the US and the populous will not only promote defensive measures, they will allow politians to do what they feel like. All in the name of protecting the US.

And you can't deny that. If you scare the US population, you'll see them allowing all kinds of crazy things being voted in to policy. 9/11 proved that with the Patriot Act. All we need is NK pointing nukes at us and you'll see the US evolve into a police state.

Precisely what they want.

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 03:26 AM

Get the fuck over it. Do you think other countries feel any different? Big bad USA with the biggest nuke arsenal and a redneck war-obsessed president?

They feel just as scared, if not more so. It's all checks and balances, nukes are a last resort, as people know the devastating potential.
People know that if they nuke us, they get turned to radioactive ashes.
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Posted 19 June 2006 - 05:05 AM

Nuclear bombs are pieces of technology from the forties; I could make one, as could any country in the world. And, since the end of WWII, they are still merely standoff weapons; you'd have to be a terrorist/American to be stupid enough to use one.
A country that's hated by America, with a millionth of the military resources available, could only be considering nukes so Washington can fear retaliation from any attacks, which means they understand nuclear retaliation and MAD, which is exactly why they're not a threat until they are attacked.
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Posted 19 June 2006 - 08:37 AM

:p your moderated posting isn't there for nothing Prime. Just the fuck wait until your post has been approved instead of posting it *again* as guest.




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