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#21 milbot

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Posted 19 June 2006 - 06:36 PM

About those guns, I once saw an American shooting at a nest of the fire ant with his gun. It was actually pretty fun. First he shot, then he looked at it like "yeah, I've done a good job"
Then I wonder myself, what's the point of firing on an nest of fire ants.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 02:20 PM

If that's so Ash, then where do they live now, eh? Surely must be something as big as Arkansas? You can also have multiple cages, fyi.

I just don't approve of humankind with their guns thinking they're all so fucking awesome. Animals have rights, too.

If you are endangering your environment a bit, you don't get shot either, do you? You'll be put in jail for your crime. These animals can't even help it. Humans did something without realising the consequences.

If and only if it is truly endangering and there is no other solution then maybe they should be allowed to be killed, in a fast, not too painful way.

It IS endangering. Did you read the article? These things kill crocodiles, infest the environment and consume the resources and breed at a rate that other indigenous creatures cannot keep pace with. I agree they shouldn't be there in the first place, but there they are.

Originally, Cane Toads came from the USA, AFAIK. There, there is an ecosystem that can handle them. In Australia, there isn't.

And ignorance is no real excuse these days. Humans do things to work out if they can do it without stopping to think whether they should. The animals can't help it, but they do not belong, they are damaging the environment and they are there because we put them there. We caused the problem, we should do our utmost to sort it out. That involves killing the animals, because there is no way to bring them back to natural habitat. Sadly, once an animal is ingrained in the wild like the Cane Toad, they're pretty hard to remove. Especially when they're out-competing the native species.

It sounds cold, but killing them won't endanger the environment of Australia. Letting them roam will. Better to get them before they COMPLETELY shag it up.

I would like to hear your alternative suggestion, and I expect the Aussie government would, too. :)

About those guns, I once saw an American shooting at a nest of the fire ant with his gun. It was actually pretty fun. First he shot, then he looked at it like "yeah, I've done a good job"
Then I wonder myself, what's the point of firing on an nest of fire ants.


Indeed. As if that's gonna make a blind bit of difference to ten thousand friggin' ants. Wow. A hole. You killed maybe...what? Ten drones? If you want rid of ants, Mr. Boiling Water plus Mr. Bleach works best. But why would you kill an ant nest unless it was infesting your home?

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Posted 21 June 2006 - 04:35 PM

I actually was pretty funny. The guy was having a personal war against ants. And all he did was making more holes in the ground with his gun.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 04:48 PM

Making holes in the ground with a gun is always fun.
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Posted 21 June 2006 - 06:38 PM

Unless you shoot on your foot.


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How did they get them from the USA to Australia? Surely that must be done in some way, back then. Just because humans fuck up, doesn't mean the animals should pay for it, neccesarily.

How about you shoot sleeping darts in them? I don't know the correct translation for those thinigies, but the stuff that puts them to sleep. Then catch them, move them out of there to another place. If there is no room, maybe at least let a part survive in a cage? Aren't you messing with evolution if you make the entire species distinct?


And no I didn't read the full article letter for letter 100% fully. My brain was probably too tired when I first saw this thread.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:22 AM

Animals have rights, too.

No, sorry. They don't.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 02:25 AM

Praline: Next we have number four, 'crunchy frog'.

Milton: Ah, yes.

Praline: Am I right in thinking there's a real frog in here?

Milton: Yes. A little one.

Praline: What sort of frog?

Milton: A dead frog.


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Posted 25 June 2006 - 04:06 AM

Nice. ;)

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 08:07 AM

@ Ash
How did they get them from the USA to Australia? Surely that must be done in some way, back then. Just because humans fuck up, doesn't mean the animals should pay for it, neccesarily.

Yeah. By boat. To wipe out a species of beetle. They were put there deliberately. They were a form of pest control, now they're the pest. And there's only one thing to do with pests...although these are pests against nature.

How about you shoot sleeping darts in them? I don't know the correct translation for those thinigies, but the stuff that puts them to sleep. Then catch them, move them out of there to another place.

Best of luck.

If there is no room, maybe at least let a part survive in a cage? Aren't you messing with evolution if you make the entire species distinct?

I think you'll find the word is extinct ;) And they won't be extinct. They will still live in their native home of America. We're messing with the environment if we DON'T purge them. They're more likely to cause the extinction.

Before anyone brings up fox hunting, that's different because foxes aren't a real pest, and they're native to the countries where they're hunted. Killing these toads is no different from killing flies.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 08:39 AM

Animals have rights, too.

No, sorry. They don't.

Humans evolved from apes. That means you don't have any rights, either.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 05:44 PM

Nice use of bad logic. That's not the way it works. Human have rights because we can think rationally and stop our impulses, most times. Animals cannot.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 05:55 PM

Let's not think about such events as rape or child molestation, then. Don't remember any ape doing that.

However, that's besides the point. You can't do anything other than wipe them out or at least cull their population numbers and locations to something a bit more manageable, and even that's a damn tall order.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:42 PM

Why does everyone of you want to kill them, instead of trying to solve it without deaths? Like put them in a very large cage so they can have a bit of a life still?


Ehm Blaat, these are the kind of frogs which eat cats.. ^_^ We'll just have to face it, Australia is doomed.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:46 PM

About how big are these bastards, now? I figured they'd be a bit small to eat a cat.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:48 PM

Its not the size, its the poision, they can kill aligators as well I heard so preaty powerful.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:49 PM

If you can shoot down a lion with a sleeping dart thingy (whatever the translation would be) you can surely shoot a smaller frog with it, even if it's bigger than most frogsorts we know?

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:50 PM

You can't tranqualize a frog, that would be stupid it would proberly kill it.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:51 PM

Then put less of the sleepy stuff in the dart?

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:56 PM

Its not always to do with amount, its metabolic parameters, frogs are amphibious creatures their respiratory and cardiac system is very different than mamalian creatures like lions. Any way whats the point of doing that, just shoot them, where else are you going to put them if theres a few million plus they are poisionous I remember watching a video on these frogs they can kill humans as well, small children have died from touching them in gardens.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:58 PM

Quite right. Plus, a lion's a pretty big target. If it can eat a cat, it's roughly the size of a dog. Now multiply that be a hundred million.




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