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#1 Emachine

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 04:37 PM

WASHINGTON (June 22) - The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer


The National Academy of Sciences, reaching that conclusion in a broad review of scientific work requested by Congress, reported Thursday that the "recent warmth is unprecedented for at least the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia."

A panel of top climate scientists told lawmakers that the Earth is running a fever and that "human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming." Their 155-page report said average global surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere rose about 1 degree during the 20th century.

The report was requested in November by the chairman of the House Science Committee, Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-N.Y., to address naysayers who question whether global warming is a major threat.

Last year, when the House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman, Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, launched an investigation of three climate scientists, Boehlert said Barton should try to learn from scientists, not intimidate them.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 03:26 PM

I blame the multi billion dollar corperations. They have enough money to cut back on pollution and still keep the jobs if they wanted to, but making the most money seems to be their only priority. And of course, the American government is a pawn to those corperations, so they won't do anything about it either.

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Posted 23 June 2006 - 11:46 PM

Yeah if they did that they would lose money!?! Are you a commi? Just asking because of ur sig.
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 11:52 PM

Yeah if they did that they would lose money!?!


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Posted 24 June 2006 - 12:02 AM

WASHINGTON (June 22) - The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer


Well with out very limited knowledge of the climate this could be a "normal" natural occurance. However it could also be a subtile hint we need to focuss out attention to more durable fuel sources like hydrogen/solar power.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 12:21 AM

WASHINGTON (June 22) - The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer


Well with out very limited knowledge of the climate this could be a "normal" natural occurance. However it could also be a subtile hint we need to focuss out attention to more durable fuel sources like hydrogen/solar power.

They said the same thing about the ozone layer in the '80s. There was even a (Corporate backed, no surprise) group that theorized that there was an "ozone cycle" which we were just experiencing, and was totally natural.
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Posted 24 June 2006 - 09:01 AM

True, but the problem is that there really is a lack of knowledge on long-term effects of the climate.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 04:29 PM

Yeah if they did that they would lose money!?! Are you a commi? Just asking because of ur sig.


I'm not necessarily a commie....rather a commie sympathizer and a moderate left-winger. But really, who cares if they lose money. They are killing the rest of us with their pollution, and they DO have enough money to change it, they just refuse to do so.

Although I can't blame only the corperations....it's because of ourt materialist ways that they make money.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 12:08 PM

Yay more sunny days for Britain !
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 07:19 PM

Actually, global warming may possibly disrupt the north atlantic current...causing britain to be much colder

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 07:55 PM

Ahhh, alittle song I wrote about it, it goes like this... :shiftee:

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 10:07 PM

DUde, that's awesome.
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Posted 27 June 2006 - 11:00 PM

And yet somehow wrong...
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Posted 28 June 2006 - 02:20 AM

Of course. But it's a nice song. :shiftee:
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 09:04 PM

Wow. One degree. Whoopdeeshit.
That's incredibly stable as far as I'm concerned. However, do not assume human activity is the problem. The Earth and its environment go through corrections and changes regardless of what we do and how we behave. Besides, the Earth has gone through worse than the human species.

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Posted 30 June 2006 - 09:47 PM

The earth goes through climatory changes gradually. It's very odd to see such deviations in the past century in all our knowledge about ancient weather. And it coincides with industrialization.
You know what happens when you burn lots of coal and release lots of CO2 into the atmosphere? Things heat up.
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Posted 30 June 2006 - 11:22 PM

Yes, that's very true but the very same thing happened millenia ago. It might be completely coincidental that the rise in temperature coincides with our heavy industrialization... longshot with that one though.
However, I refuse to believe that humans are the only factor for the rise in temperature.

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Posted 01 July 2006 - 02:50 AM

Create a ball using a layer of plastic wrap, then blow CO2 and N2 into it through your lungs. Instantly, you'll see a huge temperature change. You didn't really think that was body heat escaping, did you? CO2 has a much higher tendency to keep heat, much more than O2, which means the more CO2 you release, the more it's going to hold heat, thus the higher the atmospheric temperature gets.
It's very simple chemistry, just the doubters who are conveniently paid by big industry like to try and say the now non-existant ozone layer has a cooling effect on the atmosphere, and that the hole is "healing".

They're the same type that were standing on the bridge of the Titanic saying "We'll be fine."
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 08:14 PM

True, but the problem is that there really is a lack of knowledge on long-term effects of the climate.


Excactly!

We dont know sh*t about this. All the theories currently out there arent said to be the "right" one, they are just theories and not facts.
Yes CO2 holds more heat.
Yes ice is melting on the poles.
I believe that it is nature's will.

I dont think much can be done with the CO2 reducement. It would just be political suicide telling companies to severely reduce their CO2.
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 03:14 AM

Nature isn't sentient. Nature doesn't have a will. The natural order of the atmosphere is quite miffed at the fact we're releasing millions of metric tons of CO2 every hour from our massive ten door and thirty-two seat SUVs, and our massive coal plants which put out a lovely billowing black smoke to cause a whole lot of old types of cancer which should have gone away thirty years ago! Adding CO2 to the atmosphere increases its tendency to retain heat. CO2 is not warming up the atmosphere, the sun is, but the constant changing composition of the atmosphere results in a tendency to keep that heat.
I may tell you with quite some degree of certainty that the Earth has never suddenly decided it wants to be cold, or hot. Every climate change on this planet has been precipitated by numerous changes, be it something added to the planet, such as the gradual addition of water so many billions of years ago, or the production of something on the earth, such as the production of oxygen billions of years ago by photosynthetic prokaryotes which turned a CO2 rich, extremely hot atmosphere into a CO2/O2 rich, cool atmosphere in which multicellular life can thrive. If you suddenly decrease the amount of O2 being given off by deforesting and killing off algae (By far the largest producer of photosynthetic O2), and respiration is still going on, and combustion rates are just increasing, you're going to quickly decrease the amount of O2 in the atmosphere and increase the CO2 in the atmosphere.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that as the O2 decreases, and CO2 with a higher tendency to keep heat contained increases, it's going to get a lot warmer. We're not talking about huge 10 - 20% shifts here, we're talking fractions of a percent, but that is more than enough to cause a climate change. In climatology, numbers tend to be much different from astronomy. Little, subtle numerical deviations that would normally go un-noticed in other fields such as biology or chemistry can have far reaching effects on the Earth as we know it. We breathe in the atmosphere every moment we're alive, and we pump out more CO2. When we make the same amount of O2, or less, and we make much much more CO2, there's bound to be a relatively huge shift in the composition of the atmosphere.
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